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I gave up reading this thread after a few pages. Not sure how many are still reading at this point, but for the record here's my theory:

I think there's huge pressure on Apple, and Tim Cook especially, to surprise us in a positive way.
The 3G -> 3GS -> 4 naming transition got us on track with a simple numbering scheme that matched the "generation" of the device. During this last year and a bit the world has gotten used to the idea that the "S" model is the cut-down, cheaper, version (forgetting that it meant it was faster than the 3G model).

Apple are not as nerdy as Google when it comes to numerical patterns, but the symmetry of the 5s in an iPhone 5 release are quite compelling.

Calling the same device an iPhone 5 will almost certainly drive more demand than calling it a 4S.

But.

There's this supply chain thing. Lots of (possibly deliberately leaked) examples of iPhone 4S parts - but nothing for a 5. Then there's the current leak.

So I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I don't think there will be a (significantly) redesigned *look* to a new iPhone.

But I think there will be two phones.

An iPhone 4S. Introduced first (to murmuring - and the occasional boo and hiss from the gathered throng). It's a world phone. It has the A5 chip (so it;'s faster - earning it's 'S'). But other than that is identical to the 4.

As the murmuring heightens Cook introduces his new catchphrase, "and by the way...".

The iPhone 5 is revealed. It has the A5 chip. 1GB RAM (we don't find that out until later). Capacity up to 64GB. An 8mp camera. And one extra bonus feature (not sure what). But it still looks like the 4 - possibly tweaked a little.

It's what we expected the 4S to be. But at this point we're so pleased there wasn't *just* a 4S that we realise it could never have been any other way. Tim is a new hero and the stock price... crashes (because it always does - regardless).
 
When are people going to get it into their skulls that iOS 5 and iCloud were as much, if not mainly, behind the delay than anything to do with hardware. MobileMe and the debacle of it's launch meant that iCloud was always going to be tweaked to near perfection before it went public.

Yes, and they knew it would go into the fall meaning the design team knew they had many more months. There are those who work on hardware and those who work on software.
 
And TUAW just updated this post showing the listing for a 5 AND a 4S. :cool:

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/01/iphone-5-appears-temporarily-on-cincinnati-bell-website/


What the Hell is all of this? Every rumour that appears, another rumour appears to counteract it.

There's also that thread on the Chinese forum by someone who has revealed correct information in the past about the iPhone 5 existing and he confirms a 4" screen as well as an iPhone 4S being made.

I don't know what to believe, but there's only a few days left anyways now. At least there is only one day until Breaking Bad!
 
No kidding, they have found a very simple fix for the antenna issues on the iPhone 4 (the CDMA doesn’t have any issue), and the design is purely incredible. No reason to redesign anything here.
 
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Major fail. Apple quite often disappoint. Look at the iPad2, 3GS etc all really poor upgrades.

The Nexus Prime is gonna defecate all over the 4GS.

Oh is the prime this week's iphone killer? Which one is slated for next week?
 
I will say what I have said before:

Apple has never radically redesigned the iPhone every year. The iPhone 4 is a fantastic design and there is absolutely no reason for you all to feel that you're owed a new design.

Don't fix what isn't broken.

Yes and if anything Steve Jobs will have seen to it that the iPhone 4 design stays around extra long because he refused to accept the external antenna was a design flaw.
 
I will say what I have said before:

Apple has never radically redesigned the iPhone every year. The iPhone 4 is a fantastic design and there is absolutely no reason for you all to feel that you're owed a new design.

Don't fix what isn't broken.

It's been almost 1 1/2 years.
 
I will say what I have said before:

Apple has never radically redesigned the iPhone every year. The iPhone 4 is a fantastic design and there is absolutely no reason for you all to feel that you're owed a new design.

Don't fix what isn't broken.

No one is insinuating that we are owed a new design. It is you who is imagining this argument.

Be that as it may, the iPhone 4 is too fragile with its back glass cover. The 3.5" screen is a bit too small, however, a 3.75" or 4.0" screen will do the trick. The antenna issue is still here. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone 4 is aesthetically beautiful.
 
With that mentality, we'd still be using a Macintosh 128K.

Well said!!

Completely agreed. It's just precious how many want a redesign and then upon release they'll be the first to complain.

We need a new redesign every year because: we are consumers! and thats what we demand! and engineers will continue to supply that demand redsigning everything until they get smaller and smaller!!!

and that is why we are here today with our amazing smartphones!

right now: my iPad 2 is thinner than my iPhone 4! that is unacceptable!! so I will be buying an even thinner iPhone 5 on oct 14!
 
If they only release a 4S that would be a HUGE mistake for Apple.
People aren't stupid enough to buy a minor upgrade (if the rumors are true) and settle with an iPhone 4S after waiting 15 months.

Hopefully an iPhone 5 will be released with this...if not Apple won't be getting any of my money.

Huge mistake like 3GS? Apple wants to lower production costs and cut prices in order to reach more customers which leads to higher profits. Re-design to please couple of fanboys is not it. Apple needs strong performance in growing markets and you can't do that without aggressive price point.
 
I will say what I have said before:

Apple has never radically redesigned the iPhone every year. The iPhone 4 is a fantastic design and there is absolutely no reason for you all to feel that you're owed a new design.

Don't fix what isn't broken.

The same iPhone that Consumer Reports wouldn't recommend? The same iPhone that has documented signal attenuation issues because of design? The same iPhone that's made of fragile, shattering glass?

Yeah, definitely not broken. :rolleyes:
 
ARM1968 said:
Ohh - so not the iPhone 4S then - which doesn't and has never existed. IPhone 4 will continue with tweaks. iPhone 5 will be the new Daddy!!

^That guy's really smart.
 
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Well it's getting my vote
 
Im thinking no redesign for the simple fact that the phone would need to be redesigned again for LTE in 2012. It makes no sense for Apple to change the exterior of the phone a year before LTE.

I am not happy about this, but that is life. Ill still get the 4S although I am very close to finally leaving Apple for a year until the iPhone LTE is released.

Actually you could be on to something... Apple may never release an iPhone 5 or iPhone 6 they can just drop the predictable naming conventions when they feel like it. I like the sound of the 2012 iPhone being called the "iPhone LTE". You should copyright/patent, etc. that right away so you can sue Apple when that's what it comes out with.

When you think about it... it's perfect... if the tapered design is in fact a leaked prototype of next year's iPhone. It would be lighter than before... so it would be pronounced "iPhone Lite". Plus there was the iPhone 3G, why not iPhone LTE. Because remember these tech companies are developing a year ahead of time. So the 2012 exists already. The iPhone 4S is about a year old to them.
 
If it's only a 4s, I'll gladly update from my 3G to a 4 for $99 and call it a day. Def. would be disappointed but IOS5 should be worth getting excited about.
 
LOL @ those who don't realize the phone market is all about constant redesign. It's been that way even with dumb phones. And as good as iOS/iPhone is, Apple isn't that great to put an end to the consumer demand of change.

There will be a freaking iPhone 5!!! :D
 
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Major fail. Apple quite often disappoint. Look at the iPad2, 3GS etc all really poor upgrades.

The Nexus Prime is gonna defecate all over the 4GS.

did you just say the iPad 2 was a poor upgrade?

did you just say the 3GS was a poor upgrade?

please leave this forum, and never return
 
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Clown Boy said:
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Major fail. Apple quite often disappoint. Look at the iPad2, 3GS etc all really poor upgrades.

The Nexus Prime is gonna defecate all over the 4GS.

Troll much?
 
i just checked the apple dev center and the beta 9 itunes file has not been removed from the site....just BTW:)

Click on the link and you will get an error. It's listed but not available for download.

The sugar daddy has pulled it.

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It's back up. I bet there's a new version without that data in it.

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Expectations

Why's the whining about form factor? The current model is gorgeous and not one cloner has been able to copy it. Not that I know of. The dual glass, steel wrap around band is so sexy and has an ultra modern feel to it.
 
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