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Apple Outs "iPhone 4S" Name in Latest iTunes Beta
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Android is stealing market share because Android vendors are selling a lot of cheaper models at the lower end. No top-end Android device has even managed to outsell the ancient iPhone 3GS! Cost is more important than "superior" to a huge portion of consumers.
Apple will murder those lower-priced Android devices that are actually getting most of the market traction just by cost and price reducing the iPhone 4.
The biggest surprise impact on Apple's market share may not be any new device next Tuesday. It might be the new pricing on a low end iPhone 4.
True. Then why does everyone have their panties in a bunch because there is no new phone?
buy rate has nothing to do with it. the majority of people who buy iphones have know idea why they want it. they buy into the name and the hype. the iphone was the one that started the smart phone craze and that means its the most recognized, so people buy it. but to customers (android users specifically) who actually know what they're buying, its a different story. because the iphone has outdated hardware, android users have one less reason to switch. and incase you didn't know, android is gaining momentum FAST. so if apple keeps releasing outdated phones android will eventually catch up. apple is riding the success of their previous phones and have a hard time veering from that path, and that means the success will only last so long.
P.S. im an apple fanboy like most of the people here. but just like in an argument you must see both sides to win, in this case you can't be blinded by your love for apple to the point where you don't respect the competition.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Apple will call the cheapest phone model iPhone 4S to distinguish it from the current iPhone.
Given that apple hasn't announced a new iPhone in nearly 16 months, they will introduce an "all new design" iPhone on tuesday. They will have to change the iPhone form factor or else the new product is not easily distinguishable from the current iPhone. Apple wants people to know that the thing you're holding in your hand is "THE NEW" iPhone. It's as simple as that.
Entry model: iPhone 4S
A4 chip
8GB storage
will not have all iOS 5 features
New model: iPhone 5
A5 chip
16GB+ storage
better camera
designed for voice control
designed for iOS 5
Apple will call the cheapest phone model iPhone 4S to distinguish it from the current iPhone.
Given that apple hasn't announced a new iPhone in nearly 16 months, they will introduce an "all new design" iPhone on tuesday. They will have to change the iPhone form factor or else the new product is not easily distinguishable from the current iPhone. Apple wants people to know that the thing you're holding in your hand is "THE NEW" iPhone. It's as simple as that.
Entry model: iPhone 4S
A4 chip
8GB storage
will not have all iOS 5 features
New model: iPhone 5
A5 chip
16GB+ storage
better camera
designed for voice control
designed for iOS 5
your talking about preference and opinion, and im talking about fact. you can't just say that the os is horrible, because tons of people would disagree. as for it being less capable, i read that as a joke, because android is far more capable. it gives you a lot more freedom and features, that if put on iphone hardware wouldn't match up. the only reason ios performs better is because it is extremely limited. with that being said, i hate android and most of the phones it runs on, but you gotta give credit where credit is due. each have their positives and their negatives, but hardware is hardware. its either good or bad.
The problem is the ppl who actually know what they're buying is so few its irrelevant. If apple users are buying the iPhone because it's the "cool thing to do", then android users are buying android phones because it's "not an iphone"...
1. The iPhone 4S could look almost identical to the current Verizon iPhone 4. The icons are iPhone 4 icons.
2. you ever heard of photoshop? ;-)
why are so many people convinced of this? A 15 month lag between devices does not automatically mean a new device.
I want an iPhone 5 as much as anyone else, but please use some real logic behind your arguments.
My rationale is this:
If given the choice of any name for their new phone why would Apple intentionally name it something that screams out "Minor upgrade" when they don't have to? Why would they want the name of the device to indicate that it isn't a big upgrade?
They can just as easily call it the iPhone 5 even if it has the same design as the iPhone 4 and give people the impression that it is a big upgrade.
Calling it the iPhone 4S tells people it isn't a big enough upgrade to be worthy of being called a next generation device and many will take that as saying not worthy of their purchase. Apple can avoid all that by saying in the name of the device itself "This is a major upgrade"
Imagine if Samsung had released the Galaxy S 1.5... Why would they do that?
Ignoring all other arguments and history this point makes sense... Why would they do it?
If given the choice of any name for their new phone why would Apple intentionally name it something that screams out "Minor upgrade" when they don't have to? Why would they want the name of the device to indicate that it isn't a big upgrade?
They can just as easily call it the iPhone 5 even if it has the same design as the iPhone 4 and give people the impression that it is a big upgrade.
Calling it the iPhone 4S tells people it isn't a big enough upgrade to be worthy of being called a next generation device and many will take that as saying not worthy of their purchase. Apple can avoid all that by saying in the name of the device itself "This is a major upgrade"
Imagine if Samsung had released the Galaxy S 1.5... Why would they do that?
Ignoring all other arguments and history this point makes sense... Why would they do it?
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There is no iPhone 4 lite. They will have the 8 gig iPhone 4 for the low end and the iPhone 4s for the high end
There is no iPhone 4 lite. They will have the 8 gig iPhone 4 for the low end and the iPhone 4s for the high end
My view on the subject has nothing to do with what I want. I base my observations on what I read on the subject and trust me I read a lot.
But you do sound like one of those Apple fanboys that has blinders on. If you don't think that Android is close to iOS then you truly have blinders on. Just to clarify. I'm not saying that Android is better. Android is close. It has gotten better and better over time. I'm very curious to see what Ice Cream Sandwich is going to be like. Right now, today, iOS is better. iOS5 is better than any Android version currently available but not by all that much.
And lets make sure we understand what we're talking about. Currently Android has a much larger market share than iPhone. But there is no one Android phone that sells better than the iPhone. So yes the iPhone is the best selling phone on the market but there are far more Android phones sold than anything else. Android currently has about 50% of the market while iPhones have about 24% share. So yes, Apple stands to lose more market share if they don't release a compelling enough device. As of July there are over 500,000 Android phone activations per day. You can't ignore those numbers. I don't believe Apple is ignoring them. If anything those 500K activations per day probably scare Apple a bit. They have to, that's a big number.
These are hard facts. I didn't pull them out of thin air. You can Google it yourself. This is also why I keep saying that Apple will release a redesigned iPhone 5. They want more market share. Do you really think that it doesn't matter to Apple if they fall further behind Android in overall market share?
The 4S has been confirmed as the (N94) and the N94 has an A5 processor which is needed to run assistant.
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Sorry, but consumers couldn't care less about specs. If that's the case then the best spec'd Android phones would be the #1 consumer smartphones in the market.
You still get a great user experience through the iPhone 4, and it'll be cheaper as well. Hence, more people would buy that if the iPhone 4S looked just the same externally. The main selling point of the 4S, would be Assistant.
That's true, the only reason the flawed designed iPhone 4, sold so well, was because it was an iPhone. If the same phone was made by other companies like HTC, Motorola, Samsung, etc. then it would've been a failed product due to the negative publicity the phone recieved.
correction, the N94 has the 1GB of RAM, and the 1GB of RAM is needed to run Assistant. That's why the iPad 2 won't get it.
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It's not that freaking serious! I will admit, its an awesome phone, and I will probably buy whatever they come out with, but really, 1000+ comments over a topic that isn't extreme, over a CELL PHONE, it really needs to stop. You all are really freaking impatient.
My mistake, but it still confirms my main point that the 4S will have assistant.
Wrong, they buy based on specs when 2 like products are side-by-side. If you took the draw of Apple away, you would see this in the smartphone realm. But if you put a PC with a dual-core processor next to a PC with a quad-core processor, guess which one sells more? AMD and Intel knew this and that's why we had the whole MHz race.
Same thing will happen if you place 2 Apple devices next to each other. Tons of people (who can afford it) will buy based on specs. And tons who cannot afford it will buy based on price and the fact that it's Apple. And some who would have bought a cheaper Android will go Apple now as well. It will be win-win-win for Apple.
You can't think about this through a spec standpoint only. The biggest factor for the average consumer is the price vs experience they'll be receiving, the Cost-Benefit Analysis.
You also can't compare computers to smartphones like this. Like i said before, the current iPhone 4 provides a great user experience already. The 1GB of RAM won't mean anything for the average consumer, unless they want Assistant. There isn't any need for these extra specs for the average consumer otherwise.
Take an iPhone 4 and an iPhone 4S, standing next to each other. The iPhone 4 is already the #1 consumer smartphone in the market, it runs iOS 5 fluidly, and is now much cheaper. Let's say $99.
The iPhone 4S looks just like the iPhone 4, has better specs, also runs iOS 5, only difference is that it runs Assistant. But, it's more expensive. Let's say $199.
The average consumer would want to save that $100, and would buy the iPhone 4, unless Assistant is a make or break feature for them.
At the end, Apple will market Assistant in a big way to get people to buy the 4S.
However, if it were between an iPhone 4 and a redesigned iPhone 5, then yes, it would be obvious that the consumers would buy the $199 model.
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Most consumers don't do cost-benefit analysis. They are emotional buyers.
Yes you can. Specs are specs and they drive emotion. Just like the draw of Apple is an emotion. You contradict your own arguments this way by saying Apple is the draw but not specs. Both are a draw for the same reason....emotion.
A redesign would also stir emotion. Price is secondary unless it is the primary limiting factor (they can't afford it).
Either way, whatever Apple launches will sell, low-end, high-end, redesign, or not.
Again, indeed Apple has a huge following. So like I previously said, the iPhone 4S will sell well. But might not sell as much as projected, unless the Assistant is heavily marketed to get people upgrading. But consumers indeed do cost-benefit analysis, as they will still buy an iPhone, they will be deciding upon which one to get.
Please explain how I contradicted myself, as there's probably a misunderstanding.
