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I was in an Apple store yesterday evening and it's off the shelf. The only two monitors were LG UltraFine 5K's and those were hooked to a Mac Mini and somehow they rigged one to a Mac Pro. I suspect the one hooked the Mac Pro was displaying 4K, but I didn't really look because I didn't want to be a weirdo in the store inspecting displays.
 
hope the new apple display come at wwdc, already saved up 2000 dollar towards new display so
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Affinity is doing some interesting stuff with Designer, Photo and Publisher

affinity apps are really buggy and updates come very rarely, like affinity photo and designer that i have hasnt even got a bug fix update in more than a year...
 
I reckon this is why Apple pulled the LG display. Shame, its looked good. But Apple has a history of making 'extinct' more that a few year old products.
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I respect your opinion but i have to agree with some other members. The plastic stand on LGs displays is not really good. I'd always prefer aluminium and the all glass apple look. Especially if you turn them off there was no seperation between bezel and panel visible on a thunderbolt display. Imo more modern and understatment. And this design was 7 years older than LGs. I'm sure Apple can make at leat a better design than Lg. Regarding Panel quality i'm already fine with the lg.
 
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It wasn't low. I picked a 4K up refurb for $200, that was great. $700? No way. The 5K was even worse, $1300? You can get the exact same displays with a computer for $500 more.



The monitors are overpriced, but they aren't "old". Go try to find another external display that has wide color gamut, high DPI, IPS viewing angles and high brightness. You can't, no matter how much you pay. Even the professional ones from EIZO are missing one attribute, usually resolution. The PC market is all about numbers, so huge sizes, low DPI, poor TN viewing angles, and barely sRGB are what you get with the 4K monitors available.

The 4K is also unique in that it has extra pixels: it's 16:9 like UHD but can fully fit a real DCI 4K image without scaling. The rest of the "4K" monitors aren't even 4K, they're 3.8k.


Didn't know about that and now it makes sense why the price is higher. But in the article is says "It's not clear why Apple has stopped selling the 4K LG UltraFine Display, but it is several years old at this point, having first debuted in 2016. "

If Apple sells a new monitor in 2019, I'll consider it now.
 
Apple is not a technology company.

They should have this corrected then...






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affinity apps are really buggy and updates come very rarely, like affinity photo and designer that i have hasnt even got a bug fix update in more than a year...

Download the betas.
 
Oh there's no question about that...

I know many of you don’t really believe what I say, but I mean it when I say that Apple is a design company, not a tech one. They use design to create experiences which customers are willing to pay for. Above all, Apple strives to make technology more personal and accessible to all.

A tablet that the user has to unfold and fold every time he wants to use it most definitively is not it.

According to the Grand Unified Theory, Apple will come up new devices that are tasked with handling some of the roles currently given to existing Apple products. At the same time, these new products wouldn’t replace existing products in the Apple lineup but rather serve as alternatives.

Therefore, the ground most fertile for Apple to launch a new product category in is found below the Apple Watch.

There is only one obvious choice for Apple’s next major product category: Glasses. Not foldable phones.

If you better understand how Apple thinks about the world, and what motivates them to do the things that they do (and not do the things they don’t), then it all makes sense.

As Apple grows, their ambitions will expand as well, and I expect them to enter new industries when Apple feels the time is ripe, but Apple's vision and motivation behind coming up with new products will remain the same - to ultimately place the user experience above all else.
 
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Then why have they sold more Macs under Tim then ever before. How come in the past year Apple has come out with new MacBook Pros, iMac Pro, iMacs, Mini?
The butterfly keyboard humiliation is all on Tim’s watch. Why is it a lot of people refuse to touch these pieces of junk? The iMac of today is nothing more than a 2012 speed bump. They redesign cars more often. Tim is responsible for the 2014 Mini debacle and it took 4 (FOUR) years for the next Mini to come out. Let’s not even talk about the phantom Mac Pros.

Tim is an iPad man but wouldn’t know how to design a computer if it was put down in front of him.
 
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I know many of you don’t really believe what I say, but I mean it when I say that Apple is a design company, not a tech one. They use design to create experiences which customers are willing to pay for. Above all, Apple strives to make technology more personal and accessible to all..
✓ Exactly. Someone else usually comes up with technology and they understand how to make it usable. To get the most out of it with foresight. I agree with your hint on them working more with glass. I can see that as well.
 
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I know many of you don’t really believe what I say, but I mean it when I say that Apple is a design company, not a tech one. They use design to create experiences which customers are willing to pay for. Above all, Apple strives to make technology more personal and accessible to all.

A tablet that the user has to unfold and fold every time he wants to use it most definitively is not it.

According to the Grand Unified Theory, Apple will come up new devices that are tasked with handling some of the roles currently given to existing Apple products. At the same time, these new products wouldn’t replace existing products in the Apple lineup but rather serve as alternatives.

Therefore, the ground most fertile for Apple to launch a new product category in is found below the Apple Watch.

There is only one obvious choice for Apple’s next major product category: Glasses. Not foldable phones.

If you better understand how Apple thinks about the world, and what motivates them to do the things that they do (and not do the things they don’t), then it all makes sense.

As Apple grows, their ambitions will expand as well, and I expect them to enter new industries when Apple feels the time is ripe, but Apple's vision and motivation behind coming up with new products will remain the same - to ultimately place the user experience above all else.

If they are a design company why is everything they sell also a technology product or an accessory related to a technology product?

Why aren't they designing lampshades and shoes ?

They were founded as a computer company (hence Apple computer Inc) and have since moved into consumer electronics and software services.
 
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If they are a design company why is everything they sell also a technology product or an accessory related to a technology product?

Why aren't they designing lampshades and shoes ?

They were founded as a computer company (hence Apple computer Inc) and have since moved into consumer electronics and software services.
Well, I think Jony Ive once designed a table and a Christmas Tree, if memory serves me correctly.

Apple's product vision is based on making technology more relevant and personal. The company believes that technology is inherently too powerful and complex. Accordingly, in order for people to get the most out of technology, another ingredient is required: design. By focusing on how people actually use technology, Apple approaches technology very differently than any other company approaches it, and it often shows in the unorthodox design underpinning many of their products, right down to the apple mouse with the charging port located on the underside, or the atypical charging method of the first-gen Apple Pencil.

This is the duality facing Apple. They create experiences using their control over hardware, software and services (all of which revolve around technology), yet in their eyes, technology is also the enemy. People don't seem to realize that simplicity is far harder than complexity. It's easy to add in a million buttons, toggles, switches, and features. What's hard is doing that in a dead-simple manner that is logical, coherent, and easy to use.

As to your last point, yes, Apple may have started with computers, but using the theory of "The Grand Unified Theory of Apple Products", it's pretty obvious why Apple has gone down the path they did. PCs were just the start and the means, never the end.

http://fortune.com/2015/12/04/schiller-apple-theory/
  • “The job of the watch is to do more and more things on your wrist so that you don’t need to pick up your phone as often.”
  • “The job of the phone is to do more and more things such that maybe you don’t need your iPad, and it should be always trying and striving to do that.”
  • “The job of the iPad should be to be so powerful and capable that you never need a notebook. Like, why do I need a notebook? I can add a keyboard! I can do all these things!””
  • “The job of the notebook is to make it so you never need a desktop, right? It’s been doing this for a decade.”
  • “[The job of the Mac] is to challenge what we think a computer can do, and do things that no computer has ever done before—[it should] be more and more powerful and capable so that we need a desktop because of its capabilities.”
And the natural successor to the watch and the phone is glasses, not a bigger phone. And this is why when I see so many people trumpeting the Galaxy Fold in the other thread and holding it up as proof that Apple is no longer innovating, I can't help but roll my eyes. And that is why I can safely and confidently say that Apple will very likely not do a folding phone, and that Samsung is betting on all the wrong horses.

That's why so many techies continue to be baffled by Apple's success. People with an engineering mindset don't understand design, and so when they see Apple's incredible success, they just can't wrap their brains around the fact that it's good design that leads to this success. So instead, they convince themselves that Apple only makes money because they're a cult that brainwashes millions of people through product marketing. That's the only way that people who don't understand design are able to make sense of things.
 
Well, I think Jony Ive once designed a table and a Christmas Tree, if memory serves me correctly.

Apple's product vision is based on making technology more relevant and personal. The company believes that technology is inherently too powerful and complex. Accordingly, in order for people to get the most out of technology, another ingredient is required: design. By focusing on how people actually use technology, Apple approaches technology very differently than any other company approaches it, and it often shows in the unorthodox design underpinning many of their products, right down to the apple mouse with the charging port located on the underside, or the atypical charging method of the first-gen Apple Pencil.

This is the duality facing Apple. They create experiences using their control over hardware, software and services (all of which revolve around technology), yet in their eyes, technology is also the enemy. People don't seem to realize that simplicity is far harder than complexity. It's easy to add in a million buttons, toggles, switches, and features. What's hard is doing that in a dead-simple manner that is logical, coherent, and easy to use.

As to your last point, yes, Apple may have started with computers, but using the theory of "The Grand Unified Theory of Apple Products", it's pretty obvious why Apple has gone down the path they did. PCs were just the start and the means, never the end.

http://fortune.com/2015/12/04/schiller-apple-theory/
  • “The job of the watch is to do more and more things on your wrist so that you don’t need to pick up your phone as often.”
  • “The job of the phone is to do more and more things such that maybe you don’t need your iPad, and it should be always trying and striving to do that.”
  • “The job of the iPad should be to be so powerful and capable that you never need a notebook. Like, why do I need a notebook? I can add a keyboard! I can do all these things!””
  • “The job of the notebook is to make it so you never need a desktop, right? It’s been doing this for a decade.”
  • “[The job of the Mac] is to challenge what we think a computer can do, and do things that no computer has ever done before—[it should] be more and more powerful and capable so that we need a desktop because of its capabilities.”
And the natural successor to the watch and the phone is glasses, not a bigger phone. And this is why when I see so many people trumpeting the Galaxy Fold in the other thread and holding it up as proof that Apple is no longer innovating, I can't help but roll my eyes. And that is why I can safely and confidently say that Apple will very likely not do a folding phone, and that Samsung is betting on all the wrong horses.

That's why so many techies continue to be baffled by Apple's success. People with an engineering mindset don't understand design, and so when they see Apple's incredible success, they just can't wrap their brains around the fact that it's good design that leads to this success. So instead, they convince themselves that Apple only makes money because they're a cult that brainwashes millions of people through product marketing. That's the only way that people who don't understand design are able to make sense of things.


The examples you've cited only demonstrate that Apple wants the sales of its product to be cannibalised by the sales of its next product rather than by a competitors, it doesn't explain why Apple is a design company and not one primary focussed on technology.

The rest seems like excessive mythologising really.
 
I disagree. For CPUs, it was a very impressive upgrade. GPUs, not as much, but it was still a noticeable change from the previous generation
Well, I see what you mean but CPU upgrades shouldn't really count especially when Apple takes ages to be uptodate with CPUs. GPU is pretty much the same unless you take Vega but that price tag is really not worth it.

So, when it comes to GPU there should be one just around the corner (Navi?) that is way better so that would be the least I would expect in fall if Apple updates. There I wouldn't probably mind the price tag as it would be okish.
What I really want though is new thermal design (like iMac Pro) or something similar so that the mac runs super quiet. Right now, that is missing and its oversight on Apple's part. (wait almost 2 years and then just bump the CPUs? No, not good enough)

I think by now you probably see where I'm coming from so hopefully you agree with that angle :)
If not then thats ok too. ;-)
 
If they are a design company why is everything they sell also a technology product or an accessory related to a technology product?

I can try to say something on that as well. I'd say you're right that they are for sure -in a way- a tech company. Everybody can see that. Imo, they just have an entirely different approach. More "design driven". Anyway you want to define that (for sure even industrial designer would have different definitions). You could also argue they care about people more and interaction, material, environment while many other companies use that exactly as a farce or branding, keeping up with the market. And they started with tech because they saw a lot of portential in there. Let's not forget we owe them (topic here) displays, real time interaction with hardware and seeing results instantly and tons of support for creative work and art. Nowadays we see different things (credit card, subscription based stuff) they are working on. In fact it feels like Jay-z, who loves and support all things regardless of industry/category is similar to apple. They are interested in many things. They just don't let us see behind the curtain. They for sure are one of very few companies who really do care about design.

The examples you've cited only demonstrate that Apple wants the sales of its product to be cannibalised by the sales of its next product rather than by a competitors.

I agree. Sometimes i do have that feeling as well.
 
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Apple has removed the 4K LG UltraFine Displays from its online Apple Store in the United States, continuing a trend of pulling the display from its online stores around the world. Before disappearing from the store, the display had been listed as "Sold Out" for quite some time.

It's not clear why Apple has stopped selling the 4K LG UltraFine Display, but it is several years old at this point, having first debuted in 2016.

lgultrafine4k-800x517.jpg

The 4K and 5K UltraFine Displays were designed by LG in partnership with Apple and were created to be used with the 2016 13 and 15-inch MacBook Pro models, which supported Thunderbolt 3 for the first time.

The 21.5-inch 4K LG UltraFine Display offered a resolution of 4096 x 2304 with support for P3 wide color gamut and 60W of power delivery for charging a MacBook. It was selling from Apple for $700 before being pulled from the online store.

LG recently debuted a new 4K UltraFine Display, but this new model, priced at $1300, was not designed in partnership with Apple and it doesn't seem like Apple is planning to replace the existing model with this one in its retail stores.


Apple is still selling the LG UltraFine 5K Display for $1300, and Best Buy is continuing to offer the original UltraFine 4K Display from 2016 for its original $700 price, suggesting it has not been discontinued by LG.

Apple is working on an Apple-branded display that will be sold alongside the high-end high-throughput modular Mac Pro that's in the works, but with a rumored 6K resolution and a 31.6-inch screen size, it's sounding like it's going to be ultra high end (and expensive) and not a replacement for traditional 4K and 5K displays.

Article Link: Apple Pulls 4K LG UltraFine Displays From Online Apple Store in U.S.
Sorry to hear this. I like the 21.5 inch size; I don't want a bigger monitor. I hope LG updates this monitor with 3.1 USB. 2.0 USB is a bit lame for a USB C port.
 
I can try to say something on that as well. I'd say you're right that they are for sure -in a way- a tech company. Everybody can see that. Imo, they just have an entirely different approach. More "design driven". .

I agree, they absolutely focus on design more than most.

Their influence is on customer electronics design is obvious, we all remember how Samsung phones used to look. Apple raised the bar in that regard.
 
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Apple has removed the 4K LG UltraFine Displays from its online Apple Store in the United States, continuing a trend of pulling the display from its online stores around the world. Before disappearing from the store, the display had been listed as "Sold Out" for quite some time.

It's not clear why Apple has stopped selling the 4K LG UltraFine Display, but it is several years old at this point, having first debuted in 2016.

lgultrafine4k-800x517.jpg

The 4K and 5K UltraFine Displays were designed by LG in partnership with Apple and were created to be used with the 2016 13 and 15-inch MacBook Pro models, which supported Thunderbolt 3 for the first time.

The 21.5-inch 4K LG UltraFine Display offered a resolution of 4096 x 2304 with support for P3 wide color gamut and 60W of power delivery for charging a MacBook. It was selling from Apple for $700 before being pulled from the online store.

LG recently debuted a new 4K UltraFine Display, but this new model, priced at $1300, was not designed in partnership with Apple and it doesn't seem like Apple is planning to replace the existing model with this one in its retail stores.


Apple is still selling the LG UltraFine 5K Display for $1300, and Best Buy is continuing to offer the original UltraFine 4K Display from 2016 for its original $700 price, suggesting it has not been discontinued by LG.

Apple is working on an Apple-branded display that will be sold alongside the high-end high-throughput modular Mac Pro that's in the works, but with a rumored 6K resolution and a 31.6-inch screen size, it's sounding like it's going to be ultra high end (and expensive) and not a replacement for traditional 4K and 5K displays.

Article Link: Apple Pulls 4K LG UltraFine Displays From Online Apple Store in U.S.
[doublepost=1555773095][/doublepost]There is nothing worst than a Mac product mismatched with a non Apple product.
They should start building their own monitors again.
I used to have my Macintosh with my Apple printer in the 90s all matching up... what ever happened to that???
I had my Mac Pro 2012 with my Cinema Display 30”, once they stopped making them, I went to an iMac... I keep my printer far away now so I don’t care...
 
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I used an old 32” display this weekend and it was the perfect size on the desktop. Not ridiculously big, but going back to a 27 felt unnecessarily cramped. I’m holding out for the 31+/- ACD.
 
Most Apple computers don't even have the processing power or ram to even edit 4k video so I don't even know why they are pushing 4k monitors.

Even the 2015 Macbook, one of the slowest Macs released this decade, can edit 4k video.


I have one and I have edit both 4k drone video and iPhone video.
 
so he came to my house and tested the file that i gave him using my computer and it plays perfectly fine, the answer is simple, my pc has more horse power and it can play a 4k video at the highest bit rate available, the higher the bit rate the better the video is going to look, yes the file size will also be bigger, but i only care about the best quality, many stream services use compression in order to make the file smaller, yes the video still look good but it will not look better than one that has a higher bit rate, also the higher the bit rate the longer it will take to encode, regardr

It is not only the bitrate, but the video format also. So what format is your high bit rate video file?
 
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