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Amazing how many people keeps defending Apple. In my opinion a trillion dollar company shall not depend of external beta feedback at all. They have enough money to setup an armada of paid testers, and simply just release final versions. But why invest if you can have testers for free. Their plan works out. This just reflects their greedy attitude, which also can be seen in their current bug bounty program. They should pay us for each non duplicated bug report.
Honestly I don’t understand this line of thinking as it’s not about how much money Apple has. The devs need the betas to test their code. As far as the public betas you can just ignore it if you don’t want to participate.
 
I’m not sure why but I’m just not having problems with this beta on my iPhone 8 Plus. Maybe I’m using it wrong.
 
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Honestly I don’t understand this line of thinking as it’s not about how much money Apple has. The devs need the betas to test their code. As far as the public betas you can just ignore it if you don’t want to participate.
In my opinion devs should get a stable working version with just minor cosmetic bugs. Dealing with major bugs and unfinished frameworks is not very helpful, too.
 
So this may sound like a stupid question. But I still have beta 7 installed on my phone. When they reintroduce the beta again. Will it prompt me to download beta 7 again?
Depends on if they increment the build # and how they publish it. To be honest they should probably name it Beta 8 no matter the build (even though B7 may be the shortest lived Beta release). The thing is that there are many internal builds between actual developer/public Beta build releases. Even if they re-release and your OTA update doesn’t detect, you can still download the new build IPSW and upgrade it with iTunes without much trouble. As others have stated, I had some hangs right after upgrade to B7 today on my i8+ But so far they have smoothed out. I have noticed some odd app hangs in B5 and B6 as well so I am not sure what they have been doing. Hopefully they will get it worked out soon.
 
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Not that it matters, but maybe there is a difference between the Qualcomm and intel modems. However that doesn't run the system. As for me, I'm on a Qualcomm unlocked iPhone X with no issues.
 
No issues on Qualcomm modem iPhone X. It would be interesting to see from those that did - or are - having an issue what modem their device has. There are also other components that are sourced from other providers (I think the microphones in the 7 come from several different manufacturers, for example).
 
So Apple shouldn’t use the resource of hundreds of thousands of users with millions of combinations of software installs. They should instead test internal only, until it’s perfect. Even though they won’t have the benefit of that testing pool. Hmm doesn’t make much sense does it? Really, stay away from any beta if you want a polished product is the answer.
 
Why do we assume Apple pulled it for these performance issues alone?

Maybe Apple found or someone sent in a bug report that uncovered a huge security flaw that Apple doesn't want to publicly disclose?
 
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Pretty rough update for a beta 7. Had the terrible performance for the first 10 minutes with the update badge that wouldn’t go away like others have been saying. I did a restore from backup and it appears to be working fine as of now though.
 
I wouldnt give them too much credit. Probably found a flaw that was easily exploited & hackers could use to discover more tricks..


Thats probably more likely why they panic pulled it. You think they actually care about the users? Pfft the beta testers are even less likely to get any sympathy.
All I am seeing from your post is speculation.

My experience differs thankfully.

When you actually participate within the full scope of beta testing, and issue detailed reports back to Apple, the Dev team is actually quite responsive.
 
Is “7” the same as public beta 6? Because literally about 20 minutes ago I just got notified (through a pop-up) that there is a public beta 5 ready for me to DL and install.
 
How much do you want to bet that those saying it "goes away" after 5 minutes are simply tapping on Apps that are already running? So seems to load "instantly". A restart or force close would probably bring the issue "back".

Nope. I had this same issue, but it stopped after an hour or so. All my apps are loading fine now. Even after a reboot.
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Apple has trouble releasing just about anything these days. What the hell gives?

My X has the horrible performance that caused the update to be pulled. Ridiculous.

Apple today is a vapid veneer of the Apple I grew up with.

Restoring from backup...

You realize this is a BETA right?
 
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This is probably the best beta I’ve ever used. Had some issues with beta 5, beta 6 was fine... but beta 7 is so fast and smooth it’s great so far on my iPhone X *knock on wood* glad I updated before it was taken down.
 
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Apple has trouble releasing just about anything these days. What the hell gives?

Apple today is a vapid veneer of the Apple I grew up with.

Literally a beta not meant for daily use. Betas are for ironing out these bugs so public launch never sees this. Quit with the sensationalism and “back in my day” stuff. Don’t install a BETA if you don’t want to put up with some bugs.
 
Amazing how many people keeps defending Apple. In my opinion a trillion dollar company shall not depend of external beta feedback at all. They have enough money to setup an armada of paid testers, and simply just release final versions. But why invest if you can have testers for free. Their plan works out. This just reflects their greedy attitude, which also can be seen in their current bug bounty program. They should at least pay us for each non duplicated bug report.

No one is defending Apple. They are simply pointing out illogical and baseless opinions, including the nonsense you posted, for the benefit of those who have sufficient brain power to process facts.

If you had even a cursory understanding of software engineering you would understand that beta testing is not about saving money. The purpose of beta testing is to test under real-life scenarios, rather than artificial scenarios that a "paid armada" would be using for testing. Paying people to test would result in crap software.
 
Not that it matters, but maybe there is a difference between the Qualcomm and intel modems. However that doesn't run the system. As for me, I'm on a Qualcomm unlocked iPhone X with no issues.
You might be on to something there. I noticed that many of the people who are reporting no problems on their X are saying that they are on Verizon. I'm on ATT (Intel phone) and have the issue.
 
Apple doesn’t force you to install the betas.
In fact people PAY Apple for Developer Betas! :)

In my opinion devs should get a stable working version with just minor cosmetic bugs. Dealing with major bugs and unfinished frameworks is not very helpful, too.
Good thing your opinion means nothing to Apple and how they choose to run their developer program. As you said they are a Trillion dollar company and have a LOT of professionals and experts on the payroll whose opinions do matter to them. However you are definitely entitled to your opinion. Just sayin.
 
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Yes, truly "ridiculous" that a developer beta would have stability issues.
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You must be testing a different iOS 12 than the rest of us.

Really, at first glance, if you’re looking at an upgraded ios 11, there’s nothing that immediately screams out that you’re on a new version of the OS, until you start to dig a little deeper.

I’m not saying that’s a bad thing - I guess it’s similar to moving from iOS 7 to 8 on a phone that you own, that’s all. Things are just more refined.
 
In my opinion devs should get a stable working version with just minor cosmetic bugs. Dealing with major bugs and unfinished frameworks is not very helpful, too.
During this ramp-up between ios versions, apple is on a tear to fix bugs and implement new features. Holding back versions from the devs could/would delay their app release.
 
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