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Apple References Unreleased 2020 16-Inch MacBook Pro in Boot Camp Update

If they do release an intel 10th gen refresh for the 16", it will probably be done before the event via a press release. Doubt they'd bother wasting time on a small refresh when focusing the event on the new silicon Macs.
 
The silicon macs are going to be good for people who care about longer battery life and more portability. Like a MacBook Air or a MacBook 13in. Professionals want raw processor horsepower are going to be sticking with a intel processors for the next couple of years when the stats come out for cpu and gpu comparisons don’t be surprised. Will Apple get their they will but not even next year.
 
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ArtOfWarfare said:
Windows 10 is fully capable of running on ARM, so I see no reason why there couldn't be a Boot Camp for ARM based Macs. Not to mention that there's several Linux distros that can run on ARM, as well - no shortage of OSs to want to dual boot an Apple Silicon Mac with.
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Yes windows ARM does exist, but there is no way to buy it, there is no retail copies to buy. You can only get Windows ARM edition when buying a computer from an OEM such a microsoft surface, dell, hp, etc. So therefore you could never legally runs windows ARM on a mac nor could you get a genuine bootable ISO image from anywhere official.
 
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jlocker said:
The silicon macs are going to be good for people who care about longer battery life and more portability. Like a MacBook Air or a MacBook 13in. Professionals want raw processor horsepower are going to be sticking with a intel processors for the next couple of years when the stats come out for cpu and gpu comparisons don’t be surprised. Will Apple get their they will but not even next year.
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You know the A14 is already faster than many laptops, right?
 
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CarlJ said:
"Never" is such a final word. If Apple Silicon Macs get some decent marketshare, Microsoft may very well choose to offer a version of Windows for it.
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They use one on the Surface Pro X. The software is a little wonky (I have one for work) for some apps but it's been decent after all. I imagine they may use this in the future for Mac users. 😉
 
CarlJ said:
You know the A14 is already faster than many laptops, right?
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Many low entry level laptops not high performance laptops. But if you looking for a entry level laptop with very good battery life and access to IOS apps this will fit the bill.
 
MacLawyer said:
Agree. I picked up the 2020 13" MBP and the 2020 iMac for the same reason.
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That makes lots of sense, Mac Apps will have to be rewritten to take advantage of the Apple ARM processor. And I don’t care to be a Apple Ginny pig for a hardware and OS change. Will I get a Mac with a Arm. Yes but not for 2 more years when all of the mechanics are worked out.
 
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Branmonkey said:
They use one on the Surface Pro X. The software is a little wonky (I have one for work) for some apps but it's been decent after all. I imagine they may use this in the future for Mac users. 😉
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I'll be curious to see if Apple's implementation of ARM is compatible with Microsoft's implementation of ARM. As we move away from x86, we move towards a more fragmented future with compatibility challenges between different manufacturers. Microsoft will likely need to develop a special version of Windows 10 ARM that's specifically compatible with Apple Silicon.
 
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simonmet said:
Wonder if there are any more hints in the latest Big Sur betas?
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I don't think we will be able to sniff anything out, at least in regards to the heavily rumored AS Macs. This is because the AS Macs will be running a different architecture OS, which might imply running a different version of macOS, which Apple hasn't seeded to the public.

I hope that made sense.
 
cmaier said:
I think it's most likely, as the article suggests, that this is simply a mistake. With Arm machines going to be announced in 2 or 3 weeks, unlikely that they squeeze a new 16" intel machine out in the narrow time that's left in the year.
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If Apple is trying to get a Macintosh onto the Thunderbolt v4 rollout train then the MBP 16" would make sense to go first.
Thunderbolt has not been tightly coupled to A-series SoCs. It is not particularly likely that Apple would choose 2-3 years ago to couple their firsts "Apple Silicon Mac" to Thunderbolt 4. There is a more than decent chance it will be missing from the first Apple Silicon (ASi) Mac. ( even TBv3 might be missing from the first Apple Silicon Mac if this starts off with the re-birth on the one-port-wonder MacBook system class. ) . If Apple is kneecapping the first ASi Mac out the door on port I/O it would help clarlify long term plans greately to have the "opposite" leaning system go out along side it. (That would help them get out the message the "we are going to do the ports better later on across all of the systems " )

If Apple coupled the system to TBv4 then would be waiting on Gen 11 H ( Tiger Lake H) which is every end of 2020 coupled. There really isn't much of another path to roll out a system like that. ( without redo other MBP 13" macs done earlier in 2020. That wouldn't make sense. )

The MBP 16" isn't a top volume seller. So little rhyme or reason to doing that one first. If it is not being replaced soon then an Intel replacement helps Apple 'kick the can' into mid-late 2021 on the MBP 16". Maybe not what some folks want to hear but it makes sense. Even more sense if this first iteration ASi doesn't have a integrated GPU than can top a AMD Radeon Pro 5600M with HBM v2 in both computation throughput and 3D graphics primatives.

Apple has something that plays in the iGPU space. The discrete GPU space they don't. That is not permanent, but it also isn't likely "first generation" offering either.

So if the first ASi Mac laptop and a Gen 11 MBP 16" are priced approximately $1,000 apart from each other the likelihood that folks would get them confused as "substitutable goods" is extremely low. As has been par-for-the-course for the last more than several years, Apple has more than a couple parts of its Mac line up that have gone "stale". It is going to be ways easier for Apple to plug some of that with Intel offerings. It is probably not going to be a short , "Big Bang" transition.
 
thank goodness they're releasing a new 16" pre arm. i'm sure those will be decent processors but there will be growing pains, and i'd prefer x86 regardless.
 
I have been expecting a new Intel-powered 16-inch MacBook Pro in 2020 using the 10th Generation Core CPUs. When Apple registered the 2019 model with the FCC and EEC, they had additional model numbers that were never released in 2019, but some were released in 2020 as the 2020 MacBook Pro 13" 2-port and 4-port models. So there are still unreleased model numbers that could be used for a 2020 MacBook Pro 16" and those numbers were recently filed again with the EEC.

I do not believe the 16" MBP will be released in the near-term with Apple Silicon until Apple's own GPU is completed (and I expect this to also be used with an ASi 27" iMac / iMac Pro).
 
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I have yet to see a timetable for when Intel is going to release 11th Gen H-Series CPUs suitable to use in a 16” MacBook Pro update. That’s not to say that Intel isn’t already ready to go, but I see no indications that a launch is imminent. More so the fact that Intel hates launching this late in the year as they usually can’t provide enough CPUs for the holiday season. That might be mitigated though by the fact that H-Series is comparatively low volume enough for most PC OEMs.
 
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