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Apple Releases Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro

shadowx said:
Well, as far as the updates go I am thrilled that I waited... basically $400-500 in upgrades on the base model, which is now a killer deal!! Apple more than exceded my expectations :)

Question: Does anyone know if they actually stock glossy MBP's in the Apple stores? I know that they have display models, but I never asked if they had them on hand or if they directed you to order online.

Thanks!
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they do carry them in stores. but not with any additional options.
maybe later they will have a package with bigger hd in store.
 
chubad said:
WTF?! No 7200 rpm drive option?? Come on Apple get with it. Pros who do video can benefit as much from a faster drive as faster processors.
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You obviously haven't read the thread. Pros who do video benefit even more from using a SECOND drive.
 
mac4evan said:
Yeah ordering online will not neccessaril mean that you will get one sooner. Trust me I'm a Mac Specialist;)
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No kidding . . .

MBPRO 17/2.33 CTO
Z0DR
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2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
3GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-1x2GB,1x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive@5400rpm
SuperDrive 8X
17" Widescreen Display
No Modem
BkLit Keyboard/Mac OS
Country Kit

Estimated
Shipped By Nov 7, 2006

Estimated
Delivered By Nov 13, 2006




Beautiful. Yikes!
 
I think I found something to complain about with the new C2D MBP!

Had to look for a while . . .

It seems the poower plug and the ethernet plug are on OPPOSITE sides of the device. Why is it Apple has always put the power/modem or power/ethernet on far slung portions of the machine. If you are wired you are wired, why not have a similar cable run?

Rocketman

Okay, it has no internal modem either. :)
 
CanadianGrit said:
Santa Rosa is the successor to the current Centrino Processor. If Apple decides to use Santa Rosa they will put it in the Mac Mini and the Macbook, you will never see Santa Rosa in the Macbook Pro or the iMac. So go buy a Core 2 Duo machine.

The current Centrino processor, is simply a weaker version of the current Pentium 4 Processor, the next version of Centrino (possible to be called Centrino 2 or Centrino Pro) will be a weaker version of the Core 2 Duo (but more powerful then the P4). This will mean less power consumption (so less heat and more battery life) and 64 bit support. I am not sure if Apple will put Centrino in any of their line up, but if it does, the Mac Mini and the Macbook are the likley candiates for the Centrino platform.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino#Santa_Rosa_platform
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3195
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You should do some more reading...
 
msharpmu said:
Anybody have any idea when the macbook will be updated now? Some of us aren't rich or don't need to pay an aram and a leg for an outdated update.
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As always... "next tuesday"
 
I know I've asked a few times about the 4200rpm drive. I guess what I need to know is:

Aside from disk-based tasks (ie: startup, loading apps, etc.) is there any other aspects of the computer which would be slowed down from the 4200rpm drive? Once I have programs started up, the disk speed's influence should be minimal, correct? Or is there something I am missing?

Thanks!
JMElrose
 
mdntcallr said:
they do carry them in stores. but not with any additional options.
maybe later they will have a package with bigger hd in store.
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sweet - thanks for the reply! Not concerned over a HD upgrade...unless I find out the 160GB is a Seagate vs a 120GB WD, Toshiba, or Fujitsu.
 
rtharper said:
Bought mine with a 160GB harddrive from the edu store. Estimated delivery of november 3rd. I'll officially be a switcher.

Oh, I also bought a trendy sleeve to protect it.
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That sleeve is the best! I have one and while it does give, it feels like it could take a bullet. A great investment indeed :)
 
Zadillo said:
OK, can someone clarify just how much of a performance benefit there is in the 256 meg video card if you plan to game with BootCamp? Will you notice better video quality or performance in games like Oblivion, Battlefield 2, etc. with a 256 meg video card compared to the 128 meg one? I've been searching for some definitive info on this, but beyond the general advice that it will be better, I would love to get a concrete idea if it's noticeably better.
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If that's what you plan on doing, then you want the 256MB. While the X1600 is somewhat weak (just a middle of the road mobile GPU and it's underclocked to manage power/heat issues), it can still benefit from having that extra 128MB of direct memory to access. Actual performance benefits from one game to another vary and most games compensate via their detail settings. With the extra VRAM, you can usually turn up texture and lighting details to a higher degree than if you had the 128MB. I would say just go for it, but I understand it's a tough call when you have to cough up for the 2.33GHz CPU which is only very slightly any different, but the base system price is about $325 more after taking the RAM into account. Ouch.

I'd let your budget decide this one... IMO, the 256MB is helpful to gamers, and it along with the faster CPU will help resale a bit down the road... But at the same time, the extra $300 or so for something that will only marginally (maybe even minimally) improve a few current games it's hard nut to swallow.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any benchmarks to compare so it's hard to give a concrete analysis. Although, most video cards over the past year or so and currently are still using 256MB VRAM (only the highest-end cards have transitioned to 512MB). But I think most current games are being produced with 256MB of avialable video memory in mind for how they manage image/geometry/texture data.
 
No 7200rpm in 15inch...

I completely understand everyones frustration with this move because since I do lot's of FCP video stuff as a hobby, I of course have a 7200rpm drive (both internal & external) and could not live without it. I am dredding people coming in over the next few weeks bitching to me as to why Apple does not give that option. Although at least when you go to buy in the store you get whats on that card for the most part. I think they did it because of cost-saving measures.:confused: Less options then the cheaper the product (somewhat:( )

If people ask I'll just tell them Apple did market research as they do with all their products and found that to be the best solution blah blah blah (which may be true) - Case in point: MacBook = Only Glossy

Again, I still understand the frustration though because many people feel the 17inch is too big (although not me:cool: )
 
indigoflowAS said:
That sleeve is the best! I have one and while it does give, it feels like it could take a bullet. A great investment indeed :)
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how much did you get for your macbookpro
 
jmelrose said:
I know I've asked a few times about the 4200rpm drive. I guess what I need to know is:

Aside from disk-based tasks (ie: startup, loading apps, etc.) is there any other aspects of the computer which would be slowed down from the 4200rpm drive? Once I have programs started up, the disk speed's influence should be minimal, correct? Or is there something I am missing?

Thanks!
JMElrose
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Go check out the interactive chart HERE

The 4200 RPM drive is slow... but uses a lot less power.
 
X1600...

Regarding the speed of the X1600 isn't true that on the 17inch model (or at least it used to be) that the GPU was clocked at a higher speed because of the larger footprint which Apple could work with as far as heat was concerned.
 
From the specs page:
Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet
Maximum shipping altitude: 35,000 feet
MAximum storage altitude: 15,000 feet

I can understand the 10k foot operationg altitude. Years ago on a project I was working on everything was aok at sea level. When I went to install the thing at Colorado Springs (about 6,000 feet above sea level) the machine kept powering off. One of the air flow sensors was tripping out. The air is just thinner. Oh yea, we fixed it. Made the vane switch just a little less sensitive to airflow.
 
riversky said:
Time Machine backs up ONLY to an external or second hard drive. NOT the main drive on any machine at any size. The reason for time machine is to have a backup if the main drive melts. It would not be logical to back up on the same physical drive used daily.

The ONLY way to use time machine on a MacBook is to buy a EXTERNAL HD and connect it that way using USB for FireWire. I think a lot of people do not understand that you will need another drive to use time machine.
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While you are correct that Time Machine is designed for use with a second drive. But, I don't think that the main function of Time Machine is for a simple hard drive backup (But, this is the reason that it uses a second drive). The main advantage of Time Machine, that I see (at least from the keynote) is to allow a seamless backup of individual files where you can scroll through a timeline of individual changes to the files. That way, if you overwrote a file with a new version, you can go back to whichever version of the file you want to recover using a slick interface. This is completely independent of whether your first drive crashed or not.

Cheers.
 
mdntcallr said:
they do carry them in stores. but not with any additional options.
maybe later they will have a package with bigger hd in store.
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I can imangine that happening. But I don't think we will have those upgrade options on hand right away.
 
mac4evan said:
Regarding the speed of the X1600 isn't true that on the 17inch model (or at least it used to be) that the GPU was clocked at a higher speed because of the larger footprint which Apple could work with as far as heat was concerned.
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The X1600 in the 15" was underclocked (I assume that it still is) and the 17" had a throttling mechanism to slow down to conserve power, but throttle up when you have a heavy gpu load. Or that's at least how I have interpreted the information on it.

cheers.
 
jmelrose said:
I know I've asked a few times about the 4200rpm drive. I guess what I need to know is:

Aside from disk-based tasks (ie: startup, loading apps, etc.) is there any other aspects of the computer which would be slowed down from the 4200rpm drive? Once I have programs started up, the disk speed's influence should be minimal, correct? Or is there something I am missing?

Thanks!
JMElrose
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If you typically have a lot of programs open then paging in an out to hard disk will happen constantly. Have you ever noticed that when you don't use a program for a while and then switch back to it that it takes a while to become active? That's because it has to fetch some memory that was paged out from the hard disk... so that's the kind of thing hard-disk speed affects. It's not just the first time you open the program.
 
This is a sweet update. You're getting a lot more for less, especially with the base model. And 2GB of RAM with the upper models. :D And no more merom mbp threads. :) :)

This is great for me, personally, because as I have no need for 64 bit support of the microscopic speed increase, Core Duo MBP will be cheaper, and I might by one of those. :D
 
dkoralek said:
The X1600 in the 15" was underclocked (I assume that it still is) and the 17" had a throttling mechanism to slow down to conserve power, but throttle up when you have a heavy gpu load. Or that's at least how I have interpreted the information on it.

cheers.
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Yeah thats what I thought. Good to have someone re-affirm that notion though.
 
PodPacker said:
Does N-E1 know if the HDDs R easily replaceable like the MacBooks?
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No, they are not. The case design is identical to previous versions. You can replace the HDD. It's just not as simple as the design on the MacBook.

Most likely the big case re-design will come MWSF or Spring 2007 with Santa Rosa.
 
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