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I don't know if there was ever hope for resolution independence in Lion, but this pretty much quashes it. For a Summer release they'd need to give developers more notice (unless there's some magic way they're offloading all of that responsibility to the OS).

It's a polarizing debate raging on these forums that will never resolve, but I'm in the camp that really sees a benefit to "retina" (not 300 dpi) density in a notebook (or iPad). Looking at web pages on my iPhone, I know how text and icons *could* look, and it's really pleasing. As if it's a glimpse into the future promise of notebooks that only exists in our imaginations ...

Websites are still built for low dpi screens. You will get sharper text and general layout but any images/icons/decorations will look like thumbnails.

Res independence on the web needs full CSS3, SVG, and faster broadband to work.
 
I think you misunderstood the text. It only said that there will also be an OS X Lion Server product. Nobody said that Lion Server will be a part of Lion. OS X Lion and OS X Lion Server will very obviously still be two separate products.

OS X Lion Server still is a product that cannot be taken seriously, though, unless they change its EULA so that it can legally be run on non-Apple server hardware. Because, in case people have already forgotten it, Apple is no longer developing and selling server hardware.

Can you provide a link? Everything I read, including Apple's own site, suggested the server aspects of Lion are now part of the OS. There is no separate product.
 
Am I the only one that's ridiculously excited about being able to resize windows from any of the corners?

That's always a sticking point when I train a Windows user to use their new Mac.
 
Airdrop =! Dropbox

Based on the very little information we have I would say that Airdrop is not (remotely) the same as dropbox. Dropbox syncs your files and updates versions automatically. Airdrop's description mentions that is is "a remarkably simple way to copy files wirelessly from one Mac to another with no setup".

The Lion website mentions this:
With AirDrop in Mac*OS*X Lion, you can send files to anyone around you —* wirelessly. AirDrop doesn’t require setup or special settings. Just click the AirDrop icon in the Finder sidebar, and your Mac automatically discovers other people nearby who are using AirDrop. You’ll even see contact photos for those who are already in your Address Book. To share a file, simply drag it to someone’s name. Once accepted, the file transfers directly to the person’s Downloads folder. When you’re done with AirDrop, close the Finder and your Mac is no longer visible to others.

Airdrop seems quite useless for syncing files, especially since it is not even cross-platform, and doesn't even mention copying to iOs devices ("from one Mac to another"). Airdrop is some kind of file transfer system what your would normally use a usb (thumb)drive for, and both machines appear to be required to be online at the same time.
 
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If server is included, what does this do to running OS X in a Virtual Machine? Does that mean you can run the consumer version in VM? Will I finally be able to sandbox my own OS under VirtualBox, VMWare or Parallels?
 
Basically Versions is a fiddle with Time machine. How can people be excited about something so minor?

Have our expectation become so low that 2 features - available for 20 odd years in Windows - as small and insignificant as Window resize and autosave make people think it's going to be a great release?
 
based on the very little information we have I would say that Airdrop is not (remotely) the same as dropbox. Dropbox syncs your files and updates versions automatically. Airdrop's description mentions that is is "a remarkably simple way to copy files wirelessly from one Mac to another with no setup".

Airdrop seems quite useless, especially since it is not even cross-platform, and doesn't even mention copying to iOs devices ("from one Mac to another").

Hmm...
 
OS X LION HAS LION SERVER INTEGRATED!!!!

Very awesome release of Lion is coming, Apple is going to be the first to give away a server included with the OS

Excellent isn't it? This is reason enough for me to buy Lion or a new Mac (when released) all on it's own.
 
Basically Versions is a fiddle with Time machine. How can people be excited about something so minor?

Have our expectation become so low that 2 features - available for 20 odd years in Windows - as small and insignificant as Window resize and autosave make people think it's going to be a great release?

You obviously don't have any idea about ClearCase OR any other version controlled system, do you?

"Have our expectation become so low that 2 features - available for 20 odd years in Windows - as small and insignificant as Window resize and autosave make people think it's going to be a great release"

Huh?
 

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Yey, finally a Windows Vista feature. ;)

But Microsoft charged extra for it, making you upgrade to Ultimate. Welcome to Mac: we dont do versions.
 
Can anybody make out the services on the screenshot of the new ubiquitous Lion Server?

I see Address Book, File Sharing, iCal, iChat, Mail, VPN, Web, Wiki...

What about the other 10.6 features, ESPECIALLY NetBoot... is it there? will there be something else? (besides DeployStudio!)

Software Update Server, MySQL, Quicktime Streaming, Podcast Producer???...

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I assume this posted with sarcasm. Although as a newbie I have my doubts.

Autosave has been around for a while in iOS. In fact, when MS OneNote came out in the original 2003 version; many people were like "where is the save function?" That threw a lot of people as OneNote autosaves.

Also MS had an option in Office that you can turn on autosave - that saves the document you were working on in the event of a crash. The next time you launched that app, it asked you to restore your in-work document. It was rather cumbersome; but save me a lot when the blue screen of death was very prevelent.

Now what I really like to hear is versions... would be very nice,as I sometimes make changes, have to revert back to the original, and then back to the new (for the time when people can't make up their minds). Sounds a lot better than having multiple copies save in your system; under different names. My only concern would be how many versions are kept and for how long. May not need to save old documents, but then again - may be an issue with disk space.

Either way, I thought I may skip Lion - now, looks like I want it more than ever. My other concern is with older software. Hopes for free updates to work on Lion. Some of my software dates back to just after Tiger.
 
Basically Versions is a fiddle with Time machine. How can people be excited about something so minor?

Have our expectation become so low that 2 features - available for 20 odd years in Windows - as small and insignificant as Window resize and autosave make people think it's going to be a great release?

I agree.

Snow Leopard wasn't particularly exciting - but they touted it as being a "behind the scenes" update and it was priced accordingly.

With Lion, they're even pushing the Mac App Store as a selling point - something Snow Leopard has.
 
I am concerned about apple trying to simplify servers for the masses. Not sure where apple is going with this, but I worry apple is quickly exiting the market where its server product can be taken seriously.

And they're right to do so! Come on folks, I know it's hard to admit it (especially for those of us working in IT) but the enterprise market is going to decline from here on out. Local servers and the cost of maintaining them are going to get less and less important with services moving to the cloud and support being outsourced. You'll probably maintain a local file server for a long time to come yet but that's about all for the majroity of companies. For those that need serious kit on-site a Unix-based system or, dare I say, Windows is the obvious choice and pretty much dominate that market. Even desktops are going to head that way, heck a modern netbook has enough grunt to run the vast majority of business apps these days.

Apple has seen this coming, has looked at the miniscule market share it has in this area and backed away. While a painful decision it's probably the right one in the long run and allows them to focus on the growing consumer market. Why throw more money and time at developing their share of a market that's shrinking and that, most of the time, demands lower and lower prices?
 
I hope that pink and purple mountain top is NOT Lion's default wallpaper. The aurora's getting old, but it's definitely more forward-thinking than this one.

Also, what happened to Dashboard? Is that going to be eliminated in Lion? If so, what will our dedicated dashboard buttons on our keyboards be used to operate- launchpad or mission control?
 
I think you misunderstood the text. It only said that there will also be an OS X Lion Server product. Nobody said that Lion Server will be a part of Lion. OS X Lion and OS X Lion Server will very obviously still be two separate products.

OS X Lion Server still is a product that cannot be taken seriously, though, unless they change its EULA so that it can legally be run on non-Apple server hardware. Because, in case people have already forgotten it, Apple is no longer developing and selling server hardware.

Did you not go to the Apple preview site? They very specifically stated that OS X Server is integrated into Lion instead of a separate version. Here's a direct quote from the page. The very first sentence spells it out.

"Lion Server is now part of Mac OS X Lion. It’s easy to set up your Mac as a server and take advantage of the many services Lion Server has to offer. Here are just a few of the new features that make server deployment faster, easier, and more powerful than ever."
 
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