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Gotta say, I'm actually in favour of the June release for 2.0

*ducks rotten eggs*

Wait, hear me out. If they'd released App Store today what would have been there? A handful of Apple developed apps and maybe a couple of third party ones, all of which would have had rough edges. What would you have seen from now until June? A whole wave of version 0.1 software with bugs, missing features and glaring holes. Just look at the majority of the stuff available through installer.app. Yes, a lot of it works, and works well, but there's very little that you could hold up as a finished, polished product.

This way devs get some decent hands on time with the SDK, get to figure out what works and what doesn't and actually do some testing. The result, in theory at least, should be a wide variety of high quality apps at launch and a great wave of momentum going into the developer conference in the summer. It also gives us poor schlubs in the 'enterprise' (sorry, hate that word but can't think of a decent alternative) time to evaluate the potential problems, security issues AND benefits that could come from this platform.

Also, and this is pure speculation, wouldn't a year on from the iPhone launch be just about perfect for the 3G model? Wouldn't THAT be a knockout punch - Software 2.0, enterprise integration, 3G connectivity and a ton of new and feature-packed applications.

For me, this is a nice simple equation now. My iPod Touch stays at version 1 with a full jailbreak and access to those applications. As soon as the 3G iPhone comes out I switch to that and the iPod becomes my dev environment. No complaints with that scenario at all and REALLY looking forward to seeing what can be done with this thing. One thing's for sure, if what we saw demonstrated today holds up the rest of the Smartphone market should be very, very worried.
 
now i can conclude and say Symbian, Android and WM all suck at development tools! there will be great products available very very soon, watch out.
 
Right, well that's kind of what I meant. I personally can easily afford the $99, but I know some people who might want to write some great apps could have a problem with it and that's too bad.

But they only have to pay if they want to publish it. They can download it for free, write some great apps for free, and if they really are great apps.... they can't get 99 people to buy it for $1.30? Cause if they can, there's the $99 fee.

$99 is negligible in this scenario.

If anything the $99 is just a fee to prevent people from publishing crap to the iTunes store. If you could freely download, write an app and publish it, everyone with a Hello World app would be trying to push their apps to iTunes. $99 ensures the person is serious enough to do so.

arn
 
This seems like kind of a rush job by Apple. The future sounds great, but the present seems sloppy. They announced an SDK in October and it seems like they didn't focus on it til mid February. They should have had the SDK seeded to multiple developers already and they should have publicly released an app or two today. The future is promising, but the present is a letdown. Looks like it's time to jailbreak.

I think it's the opposite. The SDK looks very polished. It makes me wonder why it took so long to have this presentation and why it's a week late, because what they have really looks great.
 
now i can conclude and say Symbian, Android and WM all suck at development tools! there will be great products available very very soon, watch out.

Ummm. All those OSes have had their fun with far superior apps for YEARS.... by the time the apps for the iPhone roll out they would have gotten even better.

Even now the keyboard on the Touch is a lot easier to use than the one on the iPhone.... yes I have used both.
 
They think we are idiots. If it worked one, they do it again. They are back with the accounting charge crap for the iPod touch owners :mad: ...

But the iPhone owners ARE paying for the updates, in form of monthly fees included in the carrier service. We're not all outside the jail just yet :)
 
MR: "The SDK will be available for free public download today. "
My understanding is that you get the SDK free and you can write your own apps and use 'em on your iPhone. But if you want to commercialize the app, you got to pay Apple $99 as licensing/publishing fee.
This is pretty much an industry norm (BREW for instance)

On the bad side, even if somebody wanted to submit a free app they want to share, they would have no choice but to pay $99 from their own pocket OR ask for a "nominal charge" on iTune apps store !

I thought Apple said that free apps could be submitted for no charge... as long as the developer doesn't charge for the App... neither does Apple.
 
Ummm. All those OSes have had their fun with far superior apps for YEARS.... by the time the apps for the iPhone roll out they would have gotten even better.

Even now the keyboard on the Touch is a lot easier to use than the one on the iPhone.... yes I have used both.

How is the keyboard on the iPod touch easier to use than on the iPhone... it's the same keyboard.
 
no VoIP on cellular


doesnt this tell you it is time for the monolopy of voice networks to end, everything can go over the data network, no reason we cant have unlimited everything for arround $50 or less a month.


ATT = B=====D O-:
 
Well, I'm really glad I was wrong about this requiring the next-gen iPhone. I don't quite understand why this took so long to get out there, but hey.

They've done a good job. I wonder how people will take the 30% surcharge out of Apple. How does that compare to other web stores? We'd heard that Apple would be skimming off the top, but I didn't expect it to be this high... If they're handling hosting and billing though, that's quite a service.

I'm presuming devs can load their own apps without going through the Apple store though, right? I can see myself wanting to write my own utilities that don't make sense to distribute. Is the $99 dev fee meant to prevent everyone from just downloading the tools and sidestepping the store?
 
If anything the $99 is just a fee to prevent people from publishing crap to the iTunes store. If you could freely download, write an app and publish it, everyone with a Hello World app would be trying to push their apps to iTunes. $99 ensures the person is serious enough to do so.

arn

Very well put. Apple has given a way to maintain security while not blacklisting or forcing out the smaller devs who made installer.app so great.
 
This iPhone announcement has suddenly positioned the iPhone/Touch to be a remarkable success.
Yeah, but to quote Homer: 45 seconds? But I want it now!

To your point - I think Apple's undergoing some growing pains, which for a lot of Mac users is an entirely new experience. Now that Apple's talking about the iPod Touch as a "platform" (and consequently, the iPhone), this is a major shift from when it was first released and I'm totally with you on how much potential for its market is going to be unlocked this year.

I'm just hoping now that Apple is enjoying a modicum of success Steve doesn't go crazy again and get kicked out (again). :D
 
Why? Why? You know this is going to be 4 more months of waiting. How disappointing is that. This means "official" 3rd party apps wont be in the hands of the people until 8 months after the official announcement. 8 months after what ideally would have been there on day 1. I'm still a huge believer that development on the iphone is going to rock my world but how hard is it going to be to wait.
 
They think we are idiots. If it worked one, they do it again. They are back with the accounting charge crap for the iPod touch owners :mad: ...

Sarbanes-Oxley requirements. If you don't like it, run for congress and vote to change the law. Otherwise, stop blaming Apple.
 
It means nothing. The apps do not exist. Until we actually have working applications in our hands, nothing has changed.

And who knows how much things change in four months. That's a long time.

This is the attitude that other cell manufacturers took to the iPhone before it officially released, and now they're 6 months further behind the game than they could have been.

This changes a whole hell of a lot.
 
Only three months 'till a June Xmas!!!

Wow! I can hardly wait... When you look at what some of those guys did in just a few days or a couple of weeks, in three months we're going to be spoilt, pampered and frolicking in scores of gorgeous apps.
:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
 
US Only!!!!!
Yet again europe must wait.

You can download the SDK I believe in Europe (if you can get the site to work!), but we can't join the iPhone Developer Program yet. From what I've been able to see on the site, the Developer Program gives you the opportunity to test your apps on a real device so presumably it's this (the $99 one) that will give you access to the beta firmware.
 
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