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Other people don't just use Facebook and Safari all day long so you probably haven't noticed.

Now it's getting ridiculous because you're trying to insult me just because. Get a grip, it's nobody's fault your ***** doesn't work and you don't know how to resolve problems.
 
… The new public beta carries build number 14A388b, very close to the third Yosemite golden master candidate build 14A388a seeded to developers late last week. …

Is it the same build number as GM RC 3?

No, see the quote from the news article.

change log? I've noticed nothing.

I should not expect Apple to provide a change log for a golden master candidate of the operating system.

… It's all happening under the hood.

There's a little less in the patch for 14A388b than in the patch for 14A388a, and at a glance (I didn't dig deep) the differences between those patches are cosmetic – not under the hood – but the few differences that I observed are negligible.

Who is saying "modern" …

ASCIIwwdc – Searchable full-text transcripts of WWDC sessions – a few of the sessions used the word. But no mention at or near https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/design/
 
Will it kill my 2011 imac, the same way ios8 killed my ipad 2?

I used to believe that Apple cared enough about usability to make sure that all the products they claim can handle an OS upgrade would continue to have decent usability.

That didn't happen with ios 8 on the ipad 2.

Will they do the same with Yosemite?

My 2011 iMac is running great
 
Now it's getting ridiculous because you're trying to insult me just because. Get a grip, it's nobody's fault your ***** doesn't work and you don't know how to resolve problems.


Gmail didn't work properly with the Mail app when Mavericks launched. You think major bugs like that are acceptable?

There were other issues too.

I find it amusing that people like you defend Apple to the hilt when their QA is fairly non existent these days.

Maybe you are new to Apple tech, but I suggest you read up on how the Final Cut guys got on when Apple released the new version of that app a while back.

How about the iWork users who got shipped apps stripped of options and functionality that Apple STILL haven't patched to bring back what the previous versions had?

How about those of us that had our iPhone 6's reduced to bricks for a few days thanks to the 8.0.1 cellular bug?

Tell me how the issues above are the users fault.

Apple are shipping substandard software.

Enjoy Facebook.
 
Ok, since everyone here is posting gibberish, I actually downloaded the latest beta 6 and here are my results...

#1 If you have more than 1 display, Yosemite is DOA for you. Yosemite will never remember your startup display leaving you scrambling for a 2nd display not turned on or an HDTV remote. I've reported this since Beta 1. Apple has chosen not to fix the bug. This does not happen in Mavericks btw with the exact same displays or even in Leopard. I have tried everything from plugging in/out both displays, zapping PRAM. YOSEMITE IS JUST DOA on THIS and you should probably wait for an update before upgrading if you have a 2nd display.

#2 It's unclear to met yet whether the Bluetooth/iPhone thing is fixed or not so far.

I'll post more this week to see what happens, but #1 definitely makes YOSEMITE DOA for me. Just too much of a pain and hoop to jump through on every reboot. Nobody with Mavericks will like this problem. I got into the beta program to help fix things. If Apple doesn't fix this, I will delete Yosemite and stick with Mavericks until they figure it out. Lots of people have multiple displays today. This is totally unacceptable.

-- Mac Pro 2.93 GHz Quad Core, ATI HD5770, 12 Gb RAM, plenty of Tbs HD space.

Neither of these issues are a problem here. You can keep screaming about issues that only you are having, OR you can do a clean install and stop calling Yosemite DOA. Or perhaps you just really, really like complaining
 
Are any of you guys having a memory leak in Mail? I've reported the issue for the last 3 betas and I'm still having the issue. Basically after ~30 minutes, my mail ram usage skyrockets to 64GB and freezes my system. I've searched online to no avail, reset PRAM and re-setup my mail accounts. The only thing that works is force quite and restart my system. Rinse and repeat. :rolleyes:
 
Gmail didn't work properly with the Mail app when Mavericks launched. You think major bugs like that are acceptable?

Gmail has always been *****, too proprietary and too "non standard". I haven't used it in years, so i wouldn't know, but there are 100000 apps for mail, not only Apple Mail. So there. You have 2 choices : non gmail mail or non apple mail. too many?

Maybe you are new to Apple tech, but I suggest you read up on how the Final Cut guys got on when Apple released the new version of that app a while back.

Read my signature. Not new at all. I've seen it all. So what? Who doesn't have problems? ***** happens all the time. Apple has done a much better job than anyone else. About final cut.. i'm not a video professional but how about sticking with the old version? I don't know.. Just like you do with mavericks and not installing yosemite on day1. Right?...

How about the iWork users who got shipped apps stripped of options and functionality that Apple STILL haven't patched to bring back what the previous versions had?
I don't use iWork. The rest of the world is stuck with ms office, so, you know.. I figured it'd be easier to use that when i need it. I guess iWork is ok for more basic stuff.. I never saw it as a real professional tool.

How about those of us that had our iPhone 6's reduced to bricks for a few days thanks to the 8.0.1 cellular bug?

I have the 6 too. It arrived after 8.0.2 was released though. It's frustrating, i understand, what do you want to hear more? Do you want a money compensation or something?

Enjoy Facebook.

I can't enjoy Facebook anymore. Too many people like you.
 
NO NO NO! No way - part of the uniformity of iOS is in the icons - looking at Android where there are no icon standards and it just looks a complete mess.

I look at launchpad on Yosemite and it looks great, everyone doesn't like the same thing, and me I'm just tired of the icon boxes. The safari icon looks great in Yosemite launchpad, but that white background and blue gradient on the iOS Safari icon is just off. iOS will change at some point and Apple will always have standards so it will not look like android, so I don't worry about that at all.

I think they almost nailed it on the design and style of Yosemite, iOS is just OK, I like it but could be better. Some of the developers on iOS did nail it, so it's doable even with the boxed icons.
 
Gmail has always been *****, too proprietary and too "non standard". I haven't used it in years, so i wouldn't know, but there are 100000 apps for mail, not only Apple Mail. So there. You have 2 choices : non gmail mail or non apple mail. too many?



Read my signature. Not new at all. I've seen it all. So what? Who doesn't have problems? ***** happens all the time. Apple has done a much better job than anyone else. About final cut.. i'm not a video professional but how about sticking with the old version? I don't know.. Just like you do with mavericks and not installing yosemite on day1. Right?...


I don't use iWork. The rest of the world is stuck with ms office, so, you know.. I figured it'd be easier to use that when i need it. I guess iWork is ok for more basic stuff.. I never saw it as a real professional tool.



I have the 6 too. It arrived after 8.0.2 was released though. It's frustrating, i understand, what do you want to hear more? Do you want a money compensation or something?



I can't enjoy Facebook anymore. Too many people like you.


Just agree with me that Apple ship substandard software and we can stop this nonsense.
 
Just agree with me that Apple ship substandard software and we can stop this nonsense.

I can't agree with you. I know what substandard software is. That's why i switched to apple in 2007. It's been night and day since then. Maybe i'm lucky but i never lost a photo, i never lost an email, iCloud has always worked for me flawlessly and it's been a joy using every part of their ecosystem for me. What can I say, i must be a lucky bastard or something.
 
was this modern?


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I hate that old look. F U Forstall.

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I can't agree with you. I know what substandard software is. That's why i switched to apple in 2007. It's been night and day since then. Maybe i'm lucky but i never lost a photo, i never lost an email, iCloud has always worked for me flawlessly and it's been a joy using every part of their ecosystem for me. What can I say, i must be a lucky bastard or something.

same here.
 
One things for sure AirDrop is fantastic now, it even works on my iOS 7 devices with my MacBook on Yosemite. Only issue is some contacts icons from address book are not cropped right, same with iMessages, contacts pictures are not cropped right.
 
I can't agree with you. I know what substandard software is. That's why i switched to apple in 2007. It's been night and day since then. Maybe i'm lucky but i never lost a photo, i never lost an email, iCloud has always worked for me flawlessly and it's been a joy using every part of their ecosystem for me. What can I say, i must be a lucky bastard or something.


You must be one of the very few customers on the planet that have never suffered from one of the multiple iCloud outages in the last 1-2 years.

http://9to5mac.com/2014/08/08/apple-says-icloud-mail-experiencing-outage-for-some-users/

How about something even more recent? Wasn't just email, it was documents etc too:

http://www.geekwire.com/2014/hold-onto-iphones-icloud/

How about the iOS 8 & erased documents bug?

http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/29/6869107/ios-8-bug-erases-icloud-drive-documents

It just works, yes?
 
Maybe because "flat" has been browbeaten into us, but I like the way Yosemite looks from the pictures I've seen. I liken it to flat screen TVs of today (Yosemite) to the old, wooden TVs of the early 1980s.

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At some point, fancy was the desired thing, now it just looks.... wrong.

The forstall Apple TV?

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You must be one of the very few customers on the planet that have never suffered from one of the multiple iCloud outages in the last 1-2 years.

http://9to5mac.com/2014/08/08/apple-says-icloud-mail-experiencing-outage-for-some-users/

How about something even more recent? Wasn't just email, it was documents etc too:

http://www.geekwire.com/2014/hold-onto-iphones-icloud/

How about the iOS 8 & erased documents bug?

http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/29/6869107/ios-8-bug-erases-icloud-drive-documents

It just works, yes?

Do us all a favor and buy a Windows PC and Android phone. Your crap is getting old.
 
You must be one of the very few customers on the planet that have never suffered from one of the multiple iCloud outages in the last 1-2 years.

From the link - "lasting more than an hour" Oh, NO! The world's gonna end soon!!!!!!!!! An entire HOUR? I'm calling my lawyer! Other cloud services suffered outages for like, 18 hours (looking at you, one drive). There isn't ONE service provider who can guarantee 100% uptime. It's impossible. Bad things happen even to the best of them. Look what happened to dropbox today, for example.


I don't know. iCloud Drive seems a beta to me (is it? at least on the desktop part it is) and I never activated it in the first place. I'm waiting till Yosemite comes out, then i'll switch.
But yeah, for me it just works. You must really have a bad luck if EVERYTHING of what you listed thus far happened to you. I'm afraid it's not apple software for you. It's just software, in general.. It's not for you.
Try backing everything up and you will avoid unpleasant surprises. It's 2014 .. Silly me, i though everybody backed their important stuff up.
 
You said iCloud has always worked and I just gave you real world examples when it hasn't. Also a real world example where people lost their data and it was completely unrecoverable.

I could carry on pulling apart your statements for pure self amusement but I won't.
 
You said iCloud has always worked and I just gave you real world examples when it hasn't. Also a real world example where people lost their data and it was completely unrecoverable.

I could carry on pulling apart your statements for pure self amusement but I won't.

Apple says that “some users are affected” and that “users may be unable to receive iCloud mail”.
Maybe i was in the majority? SOME users were affected. Or maybe i wasn't compulsively checking my email in that precise hour? The exact same thing happened to dropbox today when data was unrecoverable. What's your answer? What can you do about it? BACKUP, THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. You're either trolling or you're just plain dumb man. I gave you a lot of examples (one drive, dropbox [which I still think are the kings of cloud storage]) having even worse problems, which means that's the reality of cloud services, and you continue saying dumb stuff. Don't bother answering to me anymore, please.
 
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before or if it is new to this beta, but the "show view options" menu in Finder when viewing your home folder now has a checkbox to "show Library folder". No more terminal commands or using the Go menu!
 
What does OneDrive and Dropbox have to do with Apple? Or my points regarding Apple that you disagree with in the first place?

Because you are losing the argument you are trying to bring other vendors in to try and support your baseless points.
 
From the link - "lasting more than an hour" Oh, NO! The world's gonna end soon!!!!!!!!! An entire HOUR? I'm calling my lawyer! Other cloud services suffered outages for like, 18 hours (looking at you, one drive). There isn't ONE service provider who can guarantee 100% uptime. It's impossible. Bad things happen even to the best of them. Look what happened to dropbox today, for example.



I don't know. iCloud Drive seems a beta to me (is it? at least on the desktop part it is) and I never activated it in the first place. I'm waiting till Yosemite comes out, then i'll switch.
But yeah, for me it just works. You must really have a bad luck if EVERYTHING of what you listed thus far happened to you. I'm afraid it's not apple software for you. It's just software, in general.. It's not for you.
Try backing everything up and you will avoid unpleasant surprises. It's 2014 .. Silly me, i though everybody backed their important stuff up.

Me personally, I just don't trust the 'cloud' to use it full time. I depend on what I have on my machine or device in front of me. I know it will be there when I need it. Seems like a great backup in case you need something in a pinch, but just not dependable in my opinion. I have been through multiple 365 outages that have brought the company I work for to its knees for hours. It surly has its benefits but not for everyone, and you have to understand its faults and be able to 'go with the flow' when they happen. Anyone who thinks its perfect is crazy, doesn't matter who the company running it is.

In response to all the bickering of issues, I have seen some people first hand have various weirdness going on with the new releases. Just with "bendgate" a few people having an issue because their setup differs from the masses is no cause for going crazy. Things are going to happen and I'm sure its just one of 500 thousand bugs that are reported. As a developer, I have experienced bug replication first hand, and its not easy. Sometimes you just can't replicate exactly what is happening on someones machine, because its not their machine your replicating it on. I use 2 displays at work with my MBP and have not had any issues since I migrated around DP5. I was on iOS8 since Beta 1 and outside of normal bugs and apps that needed to be updated from the various changes, it wasn't too bad. When 8 was publicly released I upgraded my older iPad 2 and it has worked pretty well. My daughter beats that thing up pretty good. I haven't noticed any major issues or have it become anywhere close to unusable. Again, I'm not saying these are perfect releases. I had a friend upgrade her 5S and the upgrade completely tanked and bricked the phone. After restoring it from DFU mode and restoring the backup everything was good. At that point I had helped a few people along with all of my devices move to 8 with no issues. Its impossible to account for every situation that could occur. They seem to do a pretty good job at covering most.

In regards to the 8.0.1 debacle, yes that should have been avoided and they definitely have egg on their face for it. However, they took action on it quickly and it looked like restores could be done through iTunes to snap it out of its funk, according to posts on the developer forums. That doesn't help the standard user though. I saw it released while I was out to lunch, by the time i got back it had already been pulled. I would say any other large company out there would not have pulled it back that fast and would have caused much more damage. They were quick to release a fix though at least.
 
I also find it mildly embarrassing that you try and pull the troll card out just because you are unable to counter my points in a meaningful way.

Try harder.
 
This new public beta seems very stable and for everyday use in my Macbook.

The only thing that annoys me is that I don't receive any notification in my Macbook when the iPhone is ringing.

I CAN make phone calls from the Mac, and I receive notifications for incoming iMessages/SMS texts.

Facetime in both devices have been set up identically.

Don't know what's going on. I have already submitted a bug report, but in the meantime, does anybody know a workaround for this?

I have already tried resetting all netwrk settings, and signing off and back in from iCloud.

Do you happen to have any ideas?

Thanks a lot!

Mark.
 
You said iCloud has always worked and I just gave you real world examples when it hasn't. Also a real world example where people lost their data and it was completely unrecoverable.

I could carry on pulling apart your statements for pure self amusement but I won't.

Show me a cloud provider as large or public as Apple's that has not had an outage. My house is split 50/50 with Microsoft and Apple cloud usage. Both have had multi-hour outages that affect me personally, but nothing that has lost data - just access to my data at the time. Anyone who says Apple is bad at software quality control is not using other products. Or using other products just for Facebook.
 
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