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Apple Removes Competitor Antenna Performance Comparisons From Site
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Other than the fact that it hasn't, and Apple is stronger than ever. How do the naysayers explain that?
Truly an idiotic statement. Apple is not going anywhere. Why not explain yourself about why you feel it was such an embarrassing/shameful business move for the comparison page to be on their website in the first place. An opinion is fine, but geez, you calling for their business to die (slow/painfully) -- it would be nice to hear exactly why you feel that way. Mainly so you could be schooled verbally on this public forum.
Finally someone from Engineering or HR had the ballz to stand up to Jobs and make him understand this whole blame game is BENEATH HIM & APPLE and lowered Apple's reputation and image amongst its partners, let alone its internal staff and customers - US!
This needs to happen more should Jobs loose his common sense in anger.
This needs to happen more should Jobs loose his common sense in anger.
You know, that's what has been said, over and over. But it doesn't make it true. If you put your thumb on the black line, or the meat of your hand on it, you might lose bars, depending on how strong a signal area you are in. The other night, I was on a call crystal clear for 40 minutes or so. Any problems? No. Quite unconsciously, I found that I've simply adopted another way of holding the phone, with the thumb of my left hand near the top. No touchee line. Didn't have to think.
The next day, my case arrived. No worries. I hope you get yourself in the proper state of outrage, because it's important for our national security that somebody is in a complete froth at all times about nothing.
No, somebody from PR said "Job done, Steve. The narrative is changed and with new round of international launches, plus the Mac refreshes, nobody gives a flying one about the antenna myth (well, OK some wailing fandroids, but no-one cares about them), so is it OK if we take those ugly-ass other phones off of our website now? But let's leave the antenna site up though, since it is way cool".
Or words to that effect.
As I have said before, in the future this will be taught as a masterclass in how to act when under deliberate and sustained assault.
Hell yes go away. I just cannot believe how many folks come to MacRumors who have not interest in owning anything Apple. I went to several Android forums and just expected the 15 year olds that are Apple fanboys would be posting all sorts of negative crap. But no, hardly a one. Is it that these Apple haters don't have jobs or what? It is incredible. Just go to other phone or computer forums and look for Apple fans to be posting crap. Hard to find. It is actually a waste of time to read MacRumors forums, most of the posters add nothing. Sorry I wasted my time again. Really.
Other than the fact that it hasn't, and Apple is stronger than ever. How do the naysayers explain that?
Apple is strong, but they've also taken a few hits lately. MS looked mighty 10 years ago. The cracks start appearing before a company gets knocked down a few pegs.
I read a good analysis (can't remember where) by an Apple fan that worried about them running out of the great run of ideas they're on. He was a business analyst who sees them turning down hill. The company won't die out, but they also may have reached their peak. There will be a time when Apple begins to head downhill from their peak.
In the phone market, more competition is coming. Android is strong and while Apple is king of an individual handset, Android is gaining marketshare. Microsoft is going to pump tons of cash into Windows Phone 7 and the early previews are startling when it comes to integration with Live, Zune Pass on the phone, etc. Who knows what HP will do with Palm. RIM is still the leader because of business.
And now MS and Blackberry are attacking the iPad.
Apple will remain profitable as long as they can maintain a clientele that often upgrade when Apple creates the upgrades. Most iPhone 4 purchases were from people who were replacing an iPhone. Apple has a several million people that are loyalists and are essentially addicted to their products. If they do anything to wear that down (I'm a formal Apple junky, for instance, who has been turned off by how they've operated the past few years) and cease bringing in new people then their profits will take a hit and the stock price will drop.
There's growing anti-Apple sentiment and the whole iPhone antenna flap has not helped Apple in the media, especially since they don't want to admit a problem. Arstechnica just published a comparison with other smartphones and said the iPhone has WAY more problems.
If the antenna issue turns into a class action suit down the line, that will affect Apple. It's not one big event that hurts a company rep, it is several of them together.
Admittedly, Apple's competition is not as aggressive as they should be. MS had a big winner with the price wars commercial - so big that Apple slightly lowered prices and complained about MS' ad. That line of attack can work, just as an attack on the iPhone's antenna can detract people. Look at how well Verizon's line of attack on the network worked against AT&T, a company that is almost entirely reliant on Apple.
The big thing for iPhone is upcoming at the end of the year when Verizon will roll out 4G practically overnight and have smartphones to match. I've seen them testing them. I know people in the company. They will be over a year ahead of AT&T and that red map you see will be fully 4G with Blackberry, Android, and WinPhone7 cells able to attach to it and Verizon is preparing a "dump your iPhone" campaign to give out free or cheap smartphones to those who bring in iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4s to Verizon stores and have them destroyed. Verizon will be very aggressive against Apple this Christmas, also rolling out several tablets that will work on the 4G network and offering people deep discounts if they have their iPads destroyed (actually recycled, but you get the idea) too.
I'm with Apple in that I think this happens to other phones too. In particular, I can reproduce it on my POS Verizon dumb phone. There was even once a sticker on it tell you NOT to touch the phone on a certain spot! (It's gone now, three years of use made it wear off. But the effect is the same.) The fact that the sticker existed means that Apple is right about other phones having this problem, and yes, holding it normally would mean touching it there.
And I don't know why people seem to love Verizon's network. On a *GOOD* day I get 1 bar of 3G and 2 bars of voice. Normally, I only get 1 bar of voice. I have to hold the phone real carefully to not get a dropped call, and even then it still happens. People can rarely hear me when I call them. And when I got the phone, the reviews said that this phone got the best signal of the entire Verizon lineup at the time.
I've actually had an event where five different people using five different networks where in one room and they all had horror stories of the top four US cell carriers, plus a local one called US Cellular. Cell coverage in the US just sucks.
And I don't know why people seem to love Verizon's network. On a *GOOD* day I get 1 bar of 3G and 2 bars of voice. Normally, I only get 1 bar of voice. I have to hold the phone real carefully to not get a dropped call, and even then it still happens. People can rarely hear me when I call them. And when I got the phone, the reviews said that this phone got the best signal of the entire Verizon lineup at the time.
I've actually had an event where five different people using five different networks where in one room and they all had horror stories of the top four US cell carriers, plus a local one called US Cellular. Cell coverage in the US just sucks.
Wrong. Apple's image has never been stronger. Look how they've completely killed antennagate. Rumored antenna problems? Lineups to buy just got longer. So much for the FUD.
Partners? Who? HTC? Motorola? Apple's *actual* partners are happy like pigs in **** right about now! Internal staff? You think Apple employees area embarrassed?? ROFL
Customers? Explain the unabated, frenzied demand. It's been iPhone 4 mania all month, not to mention for the past three years.
You're dreaming.
...and how do you really feel?
After looking at your history of posts, I've got to ask...
"How long have you been working for Microsoft?"
After looking at your history of posts, I've got to ask...
"How long have you been working for Microsoft?"
Not rumoured. Real. Real problems that I have observed with my own eyes. Real problems you can see on youtube. Problems that maifest themselves with the tip of a finger. Problems that you can not replicate with any other phone with the type of a finger. Problems that combined with poor AT&T coverage, induced me to NOT buy an iP4 - but buy a DroidX instead, which I am exceptionally happy with.
Your blinkered fanboy hyperbole is embarrassing to watch.
Just remember...
"If you dont want an iPhone 4, dont buy it. If you bought one and you dont like it, bring it back." - iphone 4 antenna song
"If you dont want an iPhone 4, dont buy it. If you bought one and you dont like it, bring it back." - iphone 4 antenna song
I love how many people bitch about this issue. It's simply astonishing.
The product is selling like hotcakes and most people having to wait on an order list for 2+ weeks just to get one.
The flaw has been perceived as the 'signal death' if that were the reality I doubt people would be buying it so fast.
All companies make mistakes.. and all companies produce some **** products every once in awhile. Guess what when it's REALLY a **** product the sales show so ( windows vista, palm pre etc.. ).
In general most people are probably extremely happy with their iPhone 4 and doubtfully have loads of issues with the antenna.
If you have an issue don't buy an iphone 4.. return it if you already have one.
The product is selling like hotcakes and most people having to wait on an order list for 2+ weeks just to get one.
The flaw has been perceived as the 'signal death' if that were the reality I doubt people would be buying it so fast.
All companies make mistakes.. and all companies produce some **** products every once in awhile. Guess what when it's REALLY a **** product the sales show so ( windows vista, palm pre etc.. ).
In general most people are probably extremely happy with their iPhone 4 and doubtfully have loads of issues with the antenna.
If you have an issue don't buy an iphone 4.. return it if you already have one.
Again, numbers and continued demand for the iPhone 4 render your overstatement of any issues with the iPhone 4 moot.
These "real" problems don't seem so real in light of increasing demand. Not saying there isn't an issue, but how pronounced and problematic is it? If the particular iPhone 4 I got is any evidence, Apple has nothing at all to worry about.
It seems all we have here is an overreaction, fueled by a combination of Fragmandroid fans, Apple's competition, a tech media hungry for any and all stories Apple, and a legion of astroturfers.
This sort of thing happens whenever Apple is just about to, or has very recently, released a blockbuster product.
You do realize its possible to own Apple products and non apple products. Funny thing is a lot of these Fanboys here probably don't own close to as many Apple products (or stock) as I own.
Most certainly. Whether people would like to believe it or not, Jobs is a master of PR and spin, and can handle the public quite well.
The reason for the removal was simply that it was no longer necessary, and did speak in poor taste, albeit effectively. Had it not been offensive, it would have stayed, but it was really just a stopgap until the bumper program and international launches got under way; this removal made that quite clear.
You know though, I find it really astounding how people expect a company to be perfect, as if humans themselves were. I'm not defending Apple here either; EVERY company has its fault, and usually a large multitude of them. I really think the latest maelstrom was a byproduct of sensationalism and Internet "fanboys" who make a large hubbub on tech sites that normal people don't necessarily read-- unfortunately that has run off onto the technologically unaware this time.
Of course they'll be some people on here who will still bash Apple (and ardently defend another big corporation), simply because they "didn't handle the situation well," as if that only applies to Apple, and no other large corporations. I'm not saying the criticism isn't deserved, but most people really are overreacting. All caps and abbreviations does not make your point any more compelling; neither does ten angry smilies. From a consumer's perspective, no, they didn't handle it well, but from a business (or investors) perspective they handled it beautifully. This will probably go down in the books really; I mean they managed to avoid a recall and delay/quell any ill PR effects, at least on a major scale. That's impressive for any major company.
EDIT: Cue the "you're a fanboy" accusations, because speaking logic and equalizing companies is clearly taboo.
Those people would have found a way to bash Apple regardless of the response.
It's what's know in intelligence analysis as a "signal". The surface message may have been "all phones exhibit this problem". But the signal was "You wanna play dirty? Bring it on. Or if you value your rep, keep off the grass".
Nokia and Moto were embarrassingly slow to get this and got sucked in when they did not need to be. They did Apple's' PR job for it.