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At one point I would have been exited about this but.. AT&T has been really good for me lately.
 
I can't wait for it to be true so that all the bitching forum members can finally shut up.

Unfortunately they'll all bitch about how Verizon is having the same issues at&t has with the amount of data being used and the network being **** when it's crowded.

Verizon already handles a significantly larger amount of data over their network than AT&T does, to the tune of 16 billion megabytes more.
 
A Verizon iPhone could also encourage Sprint to go from WiMAX to LTE - they've said it's an easy change - in an effort to get the iPhone on that network as well. Apple needs to get on all U.S. carriers as soon as possible because Android is available on all of them now.
 
Verizon already handles a significantly larger amount of data over their network than AT&T does, to the tune of 16 billion megabytes more.

And introduce the iPhone and you could still see it crumble. How about producing a source instead of spitting numbers?

Found it myself: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010...andled-16bn-more-mb-of-data-than-att-in-2009/ ...

One study, doesn't account for how Verizon and Sprint carry more data-only devices. Data-only devices account for a lot of that. AT&T, while having those devices, doesn't really push them as much as Verizon or Sprint. Include a device that uses a huge amount of voice and data and you could see problems.

Or I should read the article more and see that it says what I exactly said.
 
Verizon knew nothing about smartphones or their market appeal four years ago and was king of the hill. AT&T needed Apple, Apple needed AT&T. Verizon didn't need Apple and I'm sure wouldn't have been allowed to bastardize Apple phones the way they did (and are starting to again as winessed w. my Droid X.)

They are both in a perfect position to rethink market strategies.

They'll hug it out.;)

yeah $$$$ makes them do it and Android market is taking up
 
then what is holding them? :rolleyes:

if not Verizon; there is no reason NOT go with T-mobile (except little bit of tweak in the radio) !.

i had go with T-mobile any day than ATT and Verizon, i live in downtown portland; all are same and t-mobile prices are much better.

Conjecture has it the release of iP4 exclusively stateside on AT&T was the Apple - AT&T exclusivity swan song ending 12-31-10. AT&T gets that last boost with early contract lock in renewals & Apple w. early subsidized upgrades. Verizon w. Android does the same thing w. the Droid X. 1-1-11 everything changes.
 
I see this more likely as a CMDA iPhone for China or iPad support on Verizon. As AT&T and Verizon are both moving toward LTE, I can see Apple preferring to use that technology instead of CDMA. Apple went with GSM because it provided global connectivity.

I used to work for a modem company, and it was a pain to make it work in all countries. Ethernet and GSM solved these international problems.

As far as Verizon's CDMA network after LTE, I don't think it will be around for 8-10 years. Most phones will be "dual band" CDMA/LTE much as there were "dual band" Analog/Digital phones. With an upgrade cycle every 2-3 years, I think the transition will happen sooner than that.

The analog cell network lasted a lot longer because there were services such as OnStar and MB's TeleAid systems that were still using analog signaling and people hang onto their cars a lot longer than their phones. This may also be the case with GSM and CMDA.

Assuming Verizon and AT&T roll out LTE everywhere, I see an overlap of 5-6 years. for CDMA/LTE/GSM, but it will probably be longer.

I agree there very well could be iPad support involved. I actually see it as very likely on the iPad. However, there will be a Verizon iPhone for the US Market. Apple needs to take on Android in the US CDMA Market, and do it now. Verizon is the only current way to effectively due it.

I would suggest waiting a couple of months. The iPhone will be much more demanding on Verizon's Network than an Android device. You could see issues after millions of phones are on their network. IMO, they have the excess capacity to handle the iPhone 4.5.

While I think at&t has taken some unjustified criticism due to the iPhone's huge cellular appetite Verizon has superior coverage in my area by a large amount. I would like to have 3G in rural areas. It's not going to happen with at&t in my area.

I see it as a win/win. People have a choice. Those who leave at&t will reduce the strain on at&t's network. Apple will sell millions of iPhones on Verizon, guaranteed.

There is no down side to Apple building a CDMA Verizon iPhone as long as they make a profit.

IMO, Verizon and others will move to a data structure similar to at&t's current set up. The days of unlimited Data Plans for any carrier are coming to an end. :apple:
 
I agree there very well could be iPad support involved. I actually see it as very likely on the iPad. However, there will be a Verizon iPhone for the US Market. Apple needs to take on Android in the US CDMA Market, and do it now. Verizon is the only current way to effectively due it.

I would suggest waiting a couple of months. The iPhone will be much more demanding on Verizon's Network than an Android device. You could see issues after millions of phones are on their network. IMO, they have the excess capacity to handle the iPhone 4.5.

While I think at&t has taken some unjustified criticism due to the iPhone's huge cellular appetite Verizon has superior coverage in my area by a large amount. I would like to have 3G in rural areas. It's not going to happen with at&t in my area.

I see it as a win/win. People have a choice. Those who leave at&t will reduce the strain on at&t's network. Apple will sell millions of iPhones on Verizon, guaranteed.

There is no down side to Apple building a CDMA Verizon iPhone as long as they make a profit.

IMO, Verizon and others will move to a data structure similar to at&t's current set up. The days of unlimited Data Plans for any carrier are coming to an end. :apple:

Well, only here because our carriers are a bunch of lazy bastards who don't build out their network.
 
When the UK went for more carriers, they announced it in September/October time, and then some had it in December, while others had it early on in the new year, so, a CDMA iPhone probably would have the same sort of release schedule...
 
I don't remember if it was included in the MacRumors story but Engadget reported that at&t filed with the FTC in an earnings report that they wouldn't be hurt by exclusivity agreements that are ending soon. People read into this iPhone, whether correct or not, and are hoping that it means at&t is losing it's exclusivity soon.

Yepp. There have been other credible stories saying the same thing. If you get all your phone news here, you're missing what's really going on.;)
 
When the UK went for more carriers, they announced it in September/October time, and then some had it in December, while others had it early on in the new year, so, a CDMA iPhone probably would have the same sort of release schedule...

Apple likes full control in the US of iPhone announcements
 
Conjecture has it the release of iP4 exclusively stateside on AT&T was the Apple - AT&T exclusivity swan song ending 12-31-10. AT&T gets that last boost with early contract lock in renewals & Apple w. early subsidized upgrades. Verizon w. Android does the same thing w. the Droid X. 1-1-11 everything changes.

so the assumption is end of dec 2010 is the last day of contract between ATT and APPLE ?

probably i did not understood what you are saying/implying
 
I agree there very well could be iPad support involved. I actually see it as very likely on the iPad. However, there will be a Verizon iPhone for the US Market. Apple needs to take on Android in the US CDMA Market, and do it now. Verizon is the only current way to effectively due it.

I would suggest waiting a couple of months. The iPhone will be much more demanding on Verizon's Network than an Android device. You could see issues after millions of phones are on their network. IMO, they have the excess capacity to handle the iPhone 4.5.

While I think at&t has taken some unjustified criticism due to the iPhone's huge cellular appetite Verizon has superior coverage in my area by a large amount. I would like to have 3G in rural areas. It's not going to happen with at&t in my area.

I see it as a win/win. People have a choice. Those who leave at&t will reduce the strain on at&t's network. Apple will sell millions of iPhones on Verizon, guaranteed.

There is no down side to Apple building a CDMA Verizon iPhone as long as they make a profit.

IMO, Verizon and others will move to a data structure similar to at&t's current set up. The days of unlimited Data Plans for any carrier are coming to an end. :apple:

You did read that Verizon Android users consume an average of 100MB more data per month than iPhone? I attribute it to lack of signal.:p
 
FANDROIDS MOBILIZE!

The impact a multi-carrier (in the US) iPhone will have on Android will be interesting to watch, as I believe iPhone single-carrier exclusivity has been the primary element fueling Android's rise.

Throw WinPho 7 into the mix, and we're going to see some very entertaining online flamewars in the coming months. :)

Really you are one to call people fandroids. I could scream some things about Apple Fanboys.

That being said going multiple carriers I do not see having any long term effects on android or other smart phone markets. Reason for this is lets look at the rest of the world were the iPhone is not lock to a carrier and when it left a carrier. You got a quick surge of sells and then it went back to its normal trend.

Android has taken off and it is nice to see AT&T FINALLY start carrying some real android phones and I see if and when the iPhone leaves I expect AT&T to start really carrying and pushing some other Android phones.
So that being said I do not really expect it to much of a dent in sells. I see the AT&T picking up phones it had not been sells that will more than make up for its slack.

I would of gotten an Android phone last year if AT&T carried a real one but it just released its first real one this summer. The backflip was not what I would call a true android phone.
 
first of all rumors about an iphone 5 is stupid. more than likely they will introduce a 4gs of some sort and nor just jump to an iphone five. if verizon gets the iphone great for them. it's been a long time coming in my opinion, and it can shut a lot of people up.
 
I'm thinking some sort of announcement during the iPod event coming up Mid-August/September. There's no question as to whether or not Apple will be doing the announcing of the Verizon iPhone. They'd want to announce it at a large event, not just quietly. And the last regular event that is scheduled between now and January (which is when it will most likely begin selling) is the iPod event. It'll be the last thing that Steve adds at the end of the presentation.
 
Between the increased early termination fee, and AT&T moving up people's eligibility dates for the iPhone 4 for no apparent reason, who didn't see this coming? It's good news though, if true. I have a few friends in the Virginia/DC area who would love the iPhone, but AT&T's coverage is so poor up there, they have to stick with Verizon.
 
Really you are one to call people fandroids. I could scream some things about Apple Fanboys.

That being said going multiple carriers I do not see having any long term effects on android or other smart phone markets. Reason for this is lets look at the rest of the world were the iPhone is not lock to a carrier and when it left a carrier. You got a quick surge of sells and then it went back to its normal trend.

Android has taken off and it is nice to see AT&T FINALLY start carrying some real android phones and I see if and when the iPhone leaves I expect AT&T to start really carrying and pushing some other Android phones.
So that being said I do not really expect it to much of a dent in sells. I see the AT&T picking up phones it had not been sells that will more than make up for its slack.

I would of gotten an Android phone last year if AT&T carried a real one but it just released its first real one this summer. The backflip was not what I would call a true android phone.

It would appear the Apple exclusivity agreement was a double edged sword.
I'm sure that AT&T will start to carry some good Android phones in a few months that weren't even in the picture when contract was originally inked.
 
It would appear the Apple exclusivity agreement was a double edged sword.
I'm sure that AT&T will start to carry some good Android phones in a few months.

yes it did. Its sad but the real reason why I want the iPhone to go to other carriers in the US is not so I can get it but to force AT&T to start focusing and selling other smart phones other than the iPhone. I was getting tired of AT&T not carrying any other smart phone that was on par with the iPhone. The carrier I will be using is AT&T and I am limited to it. I do not want an iPhone. Now AT&T will carry some other truly nice phones other than the iPhone.
 
:\ I don't wanna start a flame war because you seem like an awesome fellow and we both live in Chicago, but I can't stand AT&T's service. And it's way too expensive.

I can only assume you like Owl City. I'll ignore that :p

My service is great with at&t and the price isn't too bad for me. I'll stay until something awful happens.
 
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