Apple Rumored to Launch Notch-Less iPhone in 2020

[goobot]

Am I the only one that likes both? Everyone in here is so obstinate. The future of security is multi factor which means when the price drops low enough on both technologies, we will all being using both anyway. So silly to be so religious about one technology over the other.

Face ID and Touch ID can both exist together on future phones. I’m not sure why this community always thinks in black and white like it has to be one or the other.

I would definitely like both, but the article talks about one or the other and I stated which I would prefer.

 

[aksala]

I tire of talk of new iPhone/iPad/iWatch products/technologies/innuendo.

I think it's high time Apple start venturing into the home appliance market, compete with Samsung! My home is filled with Samsung appliances (stove, refrigerator, clothes washer, dryer) - none by choice I might add, we bought it that way. I digress, I want to see an Apple refrigerator - with integrated iPad to show you how many eggs you have left or that you need to re-order that jug o' milk. I want that clothes dryer with iDry(tm) technology! I want the iStove that tells you your Kraft macaroni noodles are about to boil over.

You listening Apple? You come out with any range of appliances and I'll be throwing you my money! Seriously!

(And no, I'm not talking about iHome - I know they are in that space already, not the same thing. I want to see an actual, touch with your hand Apple home workhorse appliance. ****, give Dyson a run for their money. Aren't they the Apple of vacuum cleaners?)

 

[pcd213]

Do you know of a recent poll of the majority of Apple customers that say they love the touch bar because you sound like you know a lot about it? Seems every review, article or deal I read about has some comment about the uselessness of it and that the feature wasn't really utilized by developers. People would rather pay $200 less than be forced to pay for a gadget they don't use.

It appears that you know no more than I do about customers' love or hate of the touch bar. My comment is merely an assessment of the reception I hear and read about, speaking to fellow MBP owners and reading the opinions of users on forums and in the press. So that's my indicator. What's yours?

 

[germinator]

Hope my 5S lasts until 2021.
Never ever considered a phone with an....eeeewww.....notch.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Now that Jony is gone, I guess Apple can do a notches design .

Ive will love a notchless design. He’ll finally have the all-display “sheet of glass” he’s always wanted.

btw who said Ive’s gone? Cook isn’t known to lie to shareholders, but I guess only time will tell.

 

[macduke]

I’m really looking forward to going back to Touch ID. FaceID has never been that good for me. Just now before unlocking my iPhone to browse MacRumors before bed the thing wouldn’t unlock a couple times, and I’m not even laying down yet but just have my glasses off. The iPhone XS has been better but I still get annoyed when it’s face down and I go to unlock it on my desk. I’ve had an iPhone X and XS both since launch and I’m still not used to that.

In the car I have a wireless charging mount for music and if I’m unlocking to check directions or change music it’s often just a little too far away to scan my face or not tilted at the proper angle. With TouchID it would be easy.

I think it would also be faster and paying for things would be less clunky than the side button. I also get annoyed because about two-thirds of the time I go to unlock my 12.9” iPad Pro, I’m covering the FaceID sensor with my fingers.

The only time I ever appreciate FaceID is when I’m using gloves. Anyone think these acoustic waves could penetrate a layer of fabric in the gloves if they are touch compatible?

I was against the notch. I thought it was hideous and greatly distracted from the user experience. But the legions of notch-loving fans convinced me otherwise... now, no notch, no sale.

Haha. Yeah, there are some weirdos, but I think most of us didn’t so much love it as didn’t mind it too much and saw it as a necessary stop-gap until the technology caught up. It still only really bothers me when watching extra wide format video or scrolling through pictures sideways or a game.

 

[code-m]

I don't quite understand what you mean by "would make the notch resemble the screen...". But how do you know that full-screen authentication will be less expensive than Face ID technology? Also, even if it was and even if Apple brought full-screen authentication to the 5.4 inch model, I would think more customers would purchase a full screen device than a device with a notch, cannibalizing sales of their more expensive models.

Physics of the notch. If you look at its size width and height on the screen, on the smaller dimension device that is presently the SE, that notch will extend nearly to the end of the device edge leaving only little display on each side that would resemble horns. At that point it might as become a forehead on the smaller device.

 

[pcd213]

Physics of the notch. If you look at its size width and height on the screen, on the smaller dimension device that is presently the SE, that notch will extend nearly to the end of the device edge leaving only little display on each side that would resemble horns. At that point it might as become a forehead on the smaller device.

Ah, I see what you mean. But if the notch width is shrinking for the other devices in 2020, perhaps the new width would fit a 5.4 inch device (more so than the current notch's width). Look, I hope you're right because I desperately want to buy the 5.4 inch, but if I were a betting man I would bet on the 6.7 inch device getting the full-screen authentication.

 

[currentinterest]

The likely scenario is higher-end phones with eventual under screen Face ID, and lower-end phones with touch anywhere under-screen Touch ID. Perhaps the higher end phones will have both.

I do not want to go back to removing gloves, and drying hands to use a phone. Face ID is a far superior solution. When I use the Touch ID on my 10.5 inch iPad Pro, it is almost painful.

 

[PickUrPoison]

I'm happy as a clam to see an uninterrupted screen again without stupid letterboxing.

Even without the notch, there will still be letterboxing or pillarboxing—or the video can be zoomed/cropped. Almost no (zero?) video or film is shot in 19.5:9.

 

[aksala]

The likely scenario is higher-end phones with eventual under screen Face ID, and lower-end phones with touch anywhere under-screen Touch ID. Perhaps the higher end phones will have both.

I do not want to go back to removing gloves, and drying hands to use a phone. Face ID is a far superior solution. When I use the Touch ID on my 10.5 inch iPad Pro, it is almost painful.

Yup, I agree. I believe the most likely scenario is that they will offer both technologies on separate devices, leaving Face ID as a feature on the higher end devices, implemented by a behind-the-screen camera. Lower end devices will have Touch ID implemented by a whole screen sensor. Still not thinking they will have both in one device, I think they will separate the two into two device classes.

Who knows though, all this speculation is worth about as much as leaves on a tree. Man would it great to be a fly on the wall of Apple HQ! (Oh wait, never mind - they filter flys and other such undesirables - a new feature of the Apple ring. )

 

[bpeeps]

Fingerprint authentication?! I never want to go back to touch id again!

I can't imagine Apple abandoning Face ID. It's a technological marvel, and with iOS 13 it's even better (running the current beta, and Face ID I truly faster). I could see both Face ID and Touch ID as an option...

Same here.

Also...there's no way Apple is giving up on FaceId, which is a kind if technology demonstrator/testbed for their AR initiative.

Will trade Face ID for Touch ID in a heartbeat.

I can’t see them getting rid of Face ID. It’s so convenient and, in my opinion, better than Touch ID

Good, Face ID with a notch was a stopgap kludge until they could get a screen-based fingerprint reader working. And for those who are fans of Face ID they may still find a way to get that working too without a notch - other companies already have working prototypes of front-facing cameras that work under and through the display.

Face ID and Touch ID can both exist together on future phones. I’m not sure why this community always thinks in black and white like it has to be one or the other.

 

[Gasu E.]

Touch ID on iPhone 6 wasn’t reliable but Touch ID on 7 Plus and newer is instant and never fails. Same thing with Touch ID on Mac. It always works.

Touch ID on my iPhone 8 doesn't work for me if I've washed my hands within the last 3 minutes. Given I'm a germaphobe who washes his hands at least 20 times a day, that's an inconvenience.

 

[smirking]

I cannot wait to get Touch ID back. I really do not like Face ID at all. full screen Touch ID would be a much much better user experience than Face ID.

I prefer Touch ID over Face ID too, but my preferences have less to do with the authentication method so much as the concessions that were made in the OS due to a home button being removed. I really think it's made the device less intuitive by forcing some buttons that previously had other purposes to do more than they should be doing. A full screen fingerprint reader still may not untangle that mess.
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Face ID and Touch ID can both exist together on future phones. I’m not sure why this community always thinks in black and white like it has to be one or the other.

I suspect that all it takes is one or two zealots to force everyone else to take up their own popular/unpopular opinion. Unfortunately we have like 100 or 200 zealots.

 

[aksala]

Touch ID on my iPhone 8 doesn't work for me if I've washed my hands within the last 3 minutes. Given I'm a germaphobe who washes his hands at least 20 times a day, that's an inconvenience.

Yeah, there are definitely 'rare-use' scenarios that I'm sure Apple is aware of but doesn't consider to be major issues. I don't wash my hands to that extent, but have always found Touch ID to still be garbage in my own personal experiences with it (5s and 6s Plus).

 

[ipedro]

Apple is building a future on not only face authentication but facial interpretation. Having your digital assistant recognize your expressions and act according to them is the way humans communicate and Apple has been trending in that direction with the addition of the TrueDepth camera.

I can’t imagine the 3D array going away, though I can see them putting the infrared camera under the screen along with the standard camera and using specialized LEDs hidden amongst the RGB pixels as dot projectors. The proximity sensor, light sensor and speaker can all be moved into the thin bezel.

 

[Romeo_Nightfall]

wow, everyone told me the notch is the ultimate iphone design element ... now apple removes it???

can somebody explain the new narrative, please?!?
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Everyone who complains about a notch needs to find some purpose in life other than complaining about irrelevant pieces of junk.

thanks for your mindblowing post ... isnt it even more ridiculous complaining about people who complain? just a simple question, not a complaint

 

[csi24]

My 7 Plus is still doing fine, after the battery replacement in December. But battery life is still lacking. So I might pick up the iPhone 11 Max this year and then sell it next year if the 2020 design is as nice as it seems it's going to be.

At least YouTube comments will still be hilarious when the iPhone has a punch hole/cut out in 2020 and a lot of Android phones will be full screen. It really does make for good entertainment lol

 

[jdoyle]

Good. All going well my iPhone 8 Plus ( purchased last November new to avoid the dreaded notch) will keep me going until notchless iPhones arrived. Then I can imagine the notch was all a bad dream.....

 

[filmantopia]

I find it incredibly hard to believe - impossible actually, given what Apple has actually said about Face ID - that they would then throw it out and go back to Touch ID. The Notch sucks, and I doubt Apple is happy with it and wants it there, but I'd bet on Face ID being a permanent part of the iPhone going forward.

Personally speaking I own a new iPad and an iPhone 8 and... I'd rather have Face ID. But I don't like the Notch.

I love Face ID, but I don’t think it’s safe at all to say it’s here to stay. Apple isn’t going to keep Face ID around for the heck of it. If they determine Touch ID, without Face ID, is the way to eliminate the notch, that’s what they’re going to do.

 

[ikir]

Great news. Good to see Apple will continue to maintain its 3-year-behind everyone else rule.

Nice trolling. FaceID is still unmatched, like CPU, Luke GPU, like internal flash memory speed... users like you pollute internet and create FUD for inexperienced user.

 

[apolloa]

So the China Times analyst believes Apple will be dumping Face ID after only 3 years......
And then go back to finger print scanning which Apple themselves repeatedly claimed was thousands and thousands of tunes less secure then Face ID...

Erm no. This is Apple and that’s not how they work.

 

[ani4ani]

Can’t wait to read all of the posts praising the notch-less iPhone from people who currently insist the notch is no issue. It’s an obvious design compromise until something better can be achieved.

Don’t worry, they’ll be able to display it again in software

 

[eyeseeyou]

The notch was bad design since day one. Function over form. Made sense from a production and profit margin standpoint more than a enjoyable user experience.

Can’t wait to see it go.

 

[BvizioN]

I cannot wait to get Touch ID back. I really do not like Face ID at all. full screen Touch ID would be a much much better user experience than Face ID.

Having used Face ID for nearly 2 years and love it, would not even dream of going back to Touch ID, as good as Touch ID was, find Face ID to be far superior.