Apple Rumored to Launch Notch-Less iPhone in 2020

aksala said:
I wonder if Apple has considered using voice as an auth method? (Answer: probably). If I'm not mistaken our voices are as unique as fingerprints and could be used to identify an individual. Not being an expert in this area though, perhaps there are cases where an individual's voice may not be unique enough to always act as a sufficiently unique identifier, plus voice playback would be too easy for those trying to circumvent the lock.

If Apple could implement something like that, it could use the iPhone's mic and omit the need for fingerprint or visual cues. This would, of course not be available to individuals who have lost the use of their voice or have compromised vocal cords, and also be inconvenient for cases where using your voice would be disruptive.

So I guess I've answered my own question - probably ain't happening, although it would be a cool option for those interested in this as a way to unlock.
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The mics on smartphones are lame. They are one reason Siri has difficulty understanding you.
 
Defthand said:
Was Face ID the real purpose? Or was the underlying tech a stepping stone to Memoji and similar gimmicks? After all, few people thought Touch ID was inadequate.
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I must be one of those 'few people'. :p Didn't matter whether I was using the 5s or the 6s Plus - damn thing worked maybe 75% of the time (which isn't horrible, but for the way they touted it, it wasn't a good enough hit rate IMO). I know my example is anecdotal and YMMV of course.
 
aksala said:
I wonder if Apple has considered using voice as an auth method? (Answer: probably). If I'm not mistaken our voices are as unique as fingerprints and could be used to identify an individual. Not being an expert in this area though, perhaps there are cases where an individual's voice may not be unique enough to always act as a sufficiently unique identifier, plus voice playback would be too easy for those trying to circumvent the lock.

If Apple could implement something like that, it could use the iPhone's mic and omit the need for fingerprint or visual cues. This would, of course not be available to individuals who have lost the use of their voice or have compromised vocal cords, and also be inconvenient for cases where using your voice would be disruptive.

So I guess I've answered my own question - probably ain't happening, although it would be a cool option for those interested in this as a way to unlock.
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DeepFake is not only used for images and videos it can be used for voice/audio. This option would make it less secure considering people having voice activated devices in their home like Alexa, Google, etc.
 
Apple's Upper Mgmt (clearly) "Over-Played Their Hand" when they moved the iPhone product line so upscale.

Now, they appear to be making wiser decisions, taking Cost of Implementation into account for certain key features.

Engineering is all-about trade-offs & compromises.

It's good to hear that Apple may finally be getting their act together !

It's interesting that Samsung & Google both followed Apple in moving their smartphone products (so) upscale as well, & they too have more or less reversed course.

~$650 USD is the threshold above which (many) people Balk at buying a new smartphone.

If Apple reported ASP on July 30th, it would very likely be right around that number ! ... meaning, they sold ALOT of 2016 & 2017 iPhones during the April-June Qtr !
 
Full, under screen Fingerprint Authentication is how you do it. The worst aspect of current incarnations is the small biometric sensor area.

But, to ditch Face ID for it....I’m not sure. & to have Haptic Touch which doesn’t completely mimic 3D Touch, & to have no 5.8” iPhone...

The 2020 & beyond direction of Apple contains more unappealing aspects than any other imo.

It’s pretty devastating as the 2020 iPhone was going to be the most promising since the X for me...
 
Brandhouse said:
I just love it how the writer of this article says, "...reputable analyst Ming-Chi Kuo...', then later also writes, "However, these reports should still be viewed with some skepticism..."
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No one or company has ever had a 100% track record, Ming-Chi Kuo has been accurate more than not compared to others, not sure what the hate is all about. It is a rumour site, either it happens or not, why trouble oneself over trivial matters.
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mdriftmeyer said:
Apple is advancing FaceID with several recent key patents. This site should stop listening to Wall Street fools.
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Nothing wrong with options, we have TouchID and FaceID on the iPad line and presently on iPhone. Think of this as TouchID v3
 
PickUrPoison said:
I think the phone(s) without FaceID will be the budget segment. It doesn’t really make sense that they’re abandoning FaceID, unless they’re giving up on depth sensing altogether; FaceID is only one application of the TrueDepth system.
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that's what I think too. Most of this rumor seems totally implausible. There is ZERO chance Apple will give up on face id on the flagship models either in 2020 or 2021. And it makes no sense to have both face id and touch id on the same device. What might be true is that they'll sacrifice face id and remove some cameras on a budget model and use some version of touch id instead.
 
Everyone who complains about a notch needs to find some purpose in life other than complaining about irrelevant pieces of junk.
 
I still feel the extra over engineering of this is a waste of resources. Leave a small forehead and lower the manufacturing costs. If you have to have something there, throw separate small oleds on the sides for signal battery time. Or use the space with existing sensors for some off screen control. On a side note, I just realized monitors/TVs with unseen cameras are going to be everywhere. 1984.
Anyway, lets see some utilitarian design with an Apple twist. I wanna see screw heads, and gaskets on the inside. I’m not a fan of the curved display, as it’s a hinderance for case protection at the edges.., And design a phone that is made for a case (cut costs of materials and design). Apple core edition, I don’t care. User replaceable battery under the case, swappable with rugged case to slim fashion. Just like the watchbands, sell a crazy variety, but include one with the core frame.
(I really want the entire line of products to be user repairable. Please let us replace keyboards from the top of a case. Leave room for some real switches. While I’m at it, ANYTHING with a Lithium battery should have the battery health viewable. If I am buying a second hand watch, I want to know how much usable life it has left in it.)
 
Westside guy said:
I suspect the people here who are speculating the return of TouchID doesn’t necessarily mean the end of FaceID are right. It could indeed be a feature for a lower cost phone - there are some of us who simply will not pay Apple’s current phone prices, even if we like the Apple ecosystem. Plus Apple may be coming to terms with the maturity of - and possible commoditization of - the smartphone market.

I know I’m in no hurry to replace my 6S... it does everything I need.
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And indeed I believe the earlier version of the rumor much more.

https://www.ibtimes.com/apple-ditching-face-id-touch-id-china-amid-trade-war-2804489

Of course, there’s little doubt Apple is working to reduce the space required by the TrueDepth components, i.e., smaller notch.

As a side note, I’m waiting until at least 2020 no matter what to replace my iPhone X, it’s still doing well for me.
 
code-m said:
Sans FaceID will be on the smaller device as it will be less expensive and the physical dimensions would make the notch resemble the screen to have horns with no space for icons or info which would be pointless.

Even if FaceID gets slimmer and shrinks a bit it still takes up valuable physical space, on iPad Pro it blends in.
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I don't quite understand what you mean by "would make the notch resemble the screen...". But how do you know that full-screen authentication will be less expensive than Face ID technology? Also, even if it was and even if Apple brought full-screen authentication to the 5.4 inch model, I would think more customers would purchase a full screen device than a device with a notch, cannibalizing sales of their more expensive models.
 
akac said:
I have a work S10+ and it works 50% of the time.
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Does it still have the factory screen protector on it? If it does, ditch it, and try registering your thumb twice, moving it around each scan so it get s a broader picture of the print. I'm using an S10 5G at the moment and the FP sensor is next to flawless, maybe a 99.5% success rate. When it doesn't work it's usually because I'm not on the sensor correctly.

In saying that, I do prefer FaceID, and I'll be coming back to iPhone next year (nothing wrong with the S10 5G, or Android, now. iPhones fit in better with my setup at home), so hopefully FaceID isn't done away with. After the R&D and advertising that's gone into it, I don't see it going anywhere.
 
As much as I’d love to own an XS, I just don’t have the money. By 2021, I’ll hopefully have saved up enough to afford a notchless iPhone with TouchID.
 
BootsWalking said:
Good, Face ID with a notch was a stopgap kludge until they could get a screen-based fingerprint reader working. And for those who are fans of Face ID they may still find a way to get that working too without a notch - other companies already have working prototypes of front-facing cameras that work under and through the display.
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No it wasn’t. True Depth camera is about more than authentication.
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cardfan said:
Apple kinda needs Touch ID for any budget phone. Personally I’m fine if we never saw Face ID again. It was always a more expensive plan b for apple no matter how they want to rewrite history.
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Just because you say so it doesn’t make it so. I think I’ll take Craig Federighi’s word over yours.
 
goobot said:
Will trade Face ID for Touch ID in a heartbeat.
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Am I the only one that likes both? Everyone in here is so obstinate. The future of security is multi factor which means when the price drops low enough on both technologies, we will all being using both anyway. So silly to be so religious about one technology over the other.
 
pcd213 said:
I find it funny that Apple is more than willing to ditch certain features but others, such as the touch bar, remain despite lackluster sentiment from customers.
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FightTheFuture said:
MR whiners don't make up the majority of their customers.
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Do you know of a recent poll of the majority of Apple customers that say they love the touch bar because you sound like you know a lot about it? Seems every review, article or deal I read about has some comment about the uselessness of it and that the feature wasn't really utilized by developers. People would rather pay $200 less than be forced to pay for a gadget they don't use.
 
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