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I will never buy a phone with a notch. Very happy to hear that Apple will abandon this eyesore.
I agree! This is why I'm still stuck with my Huawei P10 and iPhone 7... Can't wait for a notch-less iPhone!
 
Just like programming, a piece of “working” code and “beautifully written” code are different, and latter needs polishing.

Possibly but it's still a relevant example of announcing something that very obviously wasn't polished or finished.
And Airpower(which you ignored) was hardware.

What android manufacturers do are releasing a product with working features. What Apple (usually) do is introducing a feature that works great over other competitors. Apple polishes feature to better suits iOS and hardware need. Hence my point.

Apple also does the same, you give them way to much credit.
FaceID for example was polished further with iOS 12 and 13 but according to your logic it's only bad when Android manufacturers do this.
This is the only reason why you are attacking Xiaomi for announcing their under the display camera tech will be ready for next year.
 
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The more I read these iPhone rumours, the more depressed I get. I have an iPhone 6s Plus and despite replacing the battery in early 2018 I've felt for a while that 2019 would be the year to update. I don't intend to get a new phone very often (that's why I'm still using the 6s Plus) however the rumoured updates this year, if true, seem very disappointing. Seems unlikely that I'd do it, but I'm starting to wonder if I should try and hold out for another year!?
This year seems like the biggest wash year since the beginning of iphones.
 
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The more I read these iPhone rumours, the more depressed I get. I have an iPhone 6s Plus and despite replacing the battery in early 2018 I've felt for a while that 2019 would be the year to update. I don't intend to get a new phone very often (that's why I'm still using the 6s Plus) however the rumoured updates this year, if true, seem very disappointing. Seems unlikely that I'd do it, but I'm starting to wonder if I should try and hold out for another year!?

The 6s Plus is a 2GB RAM iPhone and it will be supported with IOS 13. So you don't need to hurry to upgrade. Hold out for another year....
 
Face ID is hugely flawed. Doesn’t work with some of my sunglasses. Not safe to unlock while driving on mounted dashes. I fully welcome the return of Touch ID as both a second option or something that takes the place of Face ID. (Though I seriously doubt they would give up on Face ID.)
 
This year seems like the biggest wash year since the beginning of iphones.

Agreed. I cannot remember rumors of the upcoming generation being so outshined by the rumors of the generation after that. Feels like Apple might as well skip this year.
 
Agreed. I cannot remember rumors of the upcoming generation being so outshined by the rumors of the generation after that. Feels like Apple might as well skip this year.
Its a year apple coasts on previous design with super small tweaks. Less things they have to do for R&D the better to them even if sales arent that great. They try to get most people on the X design over the last 3-4 years then when they release a full screen phone with no notch all those people will upgrade to get that model. $$$. Thats the only compelling thing to win over a lot of people.
 
This is a big thread so probably said already. But combining this with the news that Apple would make an under screen Touch ID for the lower cost Chinese market (as also mentioned in this article) seems to indicate that these notchless phones won't be sold in the west anyway, so I wouldn't get too excited if that was the desire.
 
Possibly but still a relevant example of announcing something that very obviously wasn't polished or finished.
And Airpower(which you ignored) was hardware.



Apple also does the same, you give them way to much credit.
FaceID for example was polished further with iOS 12 and 13 but according to your logic it's only bad when Android manufacturers do this.
This is the only reason why you are attacking Xiaomi for announcing their under the display camera tech will be ready for next year.
I feel sorry that I am “attacking Xiaomi for announcing their under the display camera tech” even though I will attack them nonetheless but for a different reason. As for “giving Apple way too much credit”, I include the word “usually”, as they suck up from time to time. But I think most people will agree that features released by Apple are more polished that Android manufactures, especially the likes of Xiaomi and Oppo.
Just pick Samsung foldable phone as an example: they release their working product and send units to tech viewers for review. Those foldable phones work, but not very well. Same for Xiaomi’s under the display camera: works, but not very well and needs polishing.
 
I cannot wait to get Touch ID back. I really do not like Face ID at all. full screen Touch ID would be a much much better user experience than Face ID.

For You it would be a better user experienced. For ME, I love FaceID and how fast it is on my XS Max. No matter what Apple release, someone is going to be mad about if there is under the screen TouchID or if there is FaceID.
 
I hope they don’t get rid of FaceID. It has been convenient for me since the X released. Even my 7yo love it on her XR. Even if TouchID is released under the screen in 2020 or 2021, I won’t be upgrading. I have a job where my hands are covered with gloves 90% of my shift, and TouchID would hinder me from using my phone during my 8-12 hour shift at work.
 
iPhone 5S/6 or did you own 6S/7/8? Touch Bar MBP/2018 MBA?

I ask because there is a big difference in quality between 1st and 2nd gen Touch ID.

I am talking about the difference between having to wipe down the home button to get it to work indoors and Touch ID always working instantly no matter what.

Touch ID on iPhone 6 wasn’t reliable but Touch ID on 7 Plus and newer is instant and never fails. Same thing with Touch ID on Mac. It always works.

I had the 6,6+,6S+ and 7+ and hated TouchID. It was all Apple had, so I had no choice but to use it. It was unreliable unless my hands were clean and dry. FaceID has proven to be more beneficial for me for the last almost 2 years.
 
I prefer the fingerprint over Face ID and I still have Touch ID on all my devices which works fine. The notch doesn't bother me UNLESS I watch videos and the important scenes are on the side and the notch blocks my view. With that said, I am looking forward to see next year model or the following year.
 
This is a big thread so probably said already. But combining this with the news that Apple would make an under screen Touch ID for the lower cost Chinese market (as also mentioned in this article) seems to indicate that these notchless phones won't be sold in the west anyway, so I wouldn't get too excited if that was the desire.

I don't know, I think having a notchless lower-cost version (even if exclusive to one market) would create a problem in the perception of Apple's lineup. Technical merits of FaceID notwithstanding, the notchless all-screen phone is where the future is heading, and if Apple makes an iPhone like that, all its notched models will immediately look like outdated kludges in comparison.
 
Nooooo.... FaceID is 100 times better than touchID in my experience.
I really hope they keep both.

Does Face ID work if the phone is flat on a desk to your left or right? I find it a bit like Siri. Try using it a couple of times then just do what you want to do manually... . I think devices should have both and Face ID allow more than one user for shared devices
 
Looking forward to seeing everyone who's now saying 'I don't want to give up Face ID, it's more convenient, Touch ID is a step backwards' do a 180 when these phones are actually released :D
 
I feel sorry that I am “attacking Xiaomi for announcing their under the display camera tech” even though I will attack them nonetheless but for a different reason.
LoL
As for “giving Apple way too much credit”, I include the word “usually”, as they suck up from time to time. But I think most people will agree that features released by Apple are more polished that Android manufactures, especially the likes of Xiaomi and Oppo.

Well when Xiaomi launched fast charging and wireless charging for example these features were better executed than on iphones. It seems you are prepared to give apple really any credit just for the sake of it.

Just pick Samsung foldable phone as an example: they release their working product and send units to tech viewers for review. Those foldable phones work, but not very well.

They didn't release it, they were prepared to release it.

Same for Xiaomi’s under the display camera: works, but not very well and needs polishing.
LoL what? Xiaomi said they will release phones with under display cameras next year. So it's not the same with Xiaomi. You building your opinions with false assumptions.
 
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Well when Xiaomi launched fast charging and wireless charging for example these features were better executed than on iphones. It seems you are prepared to give apple really any credit just for the sake of it.



They didn't release it, they were prepared to release it.


LoL what? Xiaomi said they will release phones with under display cameras next year. So it's not the same with Xiaomi. You building your opinions with false assumptions.
Alright, you win. Case closed.
 
You are getting personal...I did not say that I am not able to use it but I said that it is an "additional step and annoying". Very often my XR is laying flat on the office table and I have to pick it up to unlock it. With TouchID this was not necessary....
Yeah ... phones are heavy these days.
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Face ID is hugely flawed. Doesn’t work with some of my sunglasses. Not safe to unlock while driving on mounted dashes. I fully welcome the return of Touch ID as both a second option or something that takes the place of Face ID. (Though I seriously doubt they would give up on Face ID.)
According to the law you shouldn’t be unlocking anything while driving.
 
I was against the notch. I thought it was hideous and greatly distracted from the user experience. But the legions of notch-loving fans convinced me otherwise... now, no notch, no sale.
No, I think your first reaction was correct, it's just not a deal killer to drive people to Android. Same deal with the headphone jack.
 
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I would definitely like both, but the article talks about one or the other and I stated which I would prefer.
We all have our preferences and opinions but that's not the problem. When people can only see the pros or one technology and the cons of another, they are adding nothing to the conversation except noise to be heard.
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No, I think your first reaction was correct, it's just not a deal killer to drive people to Android. Same deal with the headphone jack.
There hasn't been a single documented instance of someone buying an iPhone with a notch and then returning it because they just couldn't stand the look of the notch. On the other side, most iPhone notch users will tell you that they stopped noticing the notch 5 minutes after they first used the phone.
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Face ID is hugely flawed. Doesn’t work with some of my sunglasses. Not safe to unlock while driving on mounted dashes. I fully welcome the return of Touch ID as both a second option or something that takes the place of Face ID. (Though I seriously doubt they would give up on Face ID.)
True but the first gen of Touch ID was slow compared to the 2nd gen. The same goes for Face ID. The 3rd gen of Face ID is supposedly even faster and better so it could easily become the the preferred default by most users but I think a future where both co-exist in the same device is fastly approaching anyway.
 
No it wasn’t. True Depth camera is about more than authentication.
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Just because you say so it doesn’t make it so. I think I’ll take Craig Federighi’s word over yours.

Yep, those Animoji's are compelling reasons for a notch, lol.
 
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