they figured all these apps and many more to come will not survive the transition to ARM based CPU architecture anyway... seriously if you use your computer for more than surfing facebook and writing emails it's time to start looking for other options. Even the biggest apple fans (and stockholders) tell you this every time here.
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hopefully the FaceTime camera will be better than the 2018 MacBook Air 13''
You can't install Mojave on a Mac that comes with Catalina.so? just do a clean install of Mojave then
Source?
What if you have a MBP that runs Mojave and you use the migration tool to switch over your OS? Are you saying there would be compatibility issues?
I only switched to apple for Logic and Pro Tools over a decade ago (2007).. Pro Tools is very good on windows now, but of course, I'd lose Logic.. That said, I have become very comfortable with the way the operating system works, and of course, no registry.
I was a windows guy for the decade before I switched to apple.. but honestly i DO prefer os x to windows.. quite a lot.. That's the rub.. I don't like windows much as an OS, but I may not have a choice.
If this thing to ARM cpu's will really happen, then my commitment to apple is 100% over.. There is no way the 100's of audio plugin devs whose products I use every day of my life, will be porting to ARM. Even losing 1 percent of the stuff I use would be too much, but I'd hazard a guess that it would be 95% loss for a year, then maybe get to about 50% after 5 years.. Like it was with PPC to Intel.. I lost so much and there are things I loved that never got ported. Apple really has a bit of an FU attitude to developers and customers.. "We know best, screw what you think or actually *want*". It's getting very annoying.. Honestly, around 2012 I would have called myself a hardcore apple fanboy.. but it seems every year they keep doing something, like clockwork, to forcibly push me away. Logic itself will always work, cause it's an apple product, and final cut..but it seems that's all apple care about.. their own stuff.. and if other developers want to write plugins to interface with apple's stuff, then it has to be on apple's terms.. Their way or the highway. No leeway.
Because my macbook pro is 5 years old and I need something a bit beefier now to at least be able to run the same projects as my base model imac pro, I decided to order the macbook pro.. the 2.3ghz 8 core, vega 20, 32Gb ram.. it will be here Monday according to the DHL tracking.. At least I know I can wipe the catalina it will come with, and install mojave.. But even so, I am starting to question my purchase.. Thankfully there is a 2 week no questions asked return policy.. For 25% less money, I can get a windows laptop with 64gb ram rather than 32, 4TB of SSD space spread over 2 drives rather than 2TB, and a full, non max Q nvidia 2070 which will make the Vega 20 look like an intel 630. Oh, and the 9980 HK rather than the 9880H.. the difference being, with a chassis that can thermally handle it also.
If I were to copy the macbook pro's specs, 32GB ram, 2TB ssd, say a 1660ti (which is still more powerful than vega 20), it would literally be half the price...
Anyway, first thing I will do after installing mojave, is install windows 10 which I have never used, and spend a few days really testing it out..
The reality is, that I will never be able to use any of their new hardware.. I can never use the new mac pro, the imac pro revision whenever that is, the next macbook pro.. nada.. If i stay apple, my choices will always be, current imac/imac pro, current macbook series, mac mini. Maximum 8 cores. Ever.
I guess I will find out next week.. But I am getting tired of apple's shenanigans.. and no escape key? URGH! No keyboard travel? URGH! But what choice did I have? My 2014 is on it's last legs, the 16GB ram is constantly too little, the nvidia 750M is pathetic, and the quad core 2.8ghz is 3x less powerful than my imac pro in all my real world audio production tests. At least. So i can't transfer projects to work on the go from the imac pro, if they are using quite a bit of the grunt from the imac pro.. They just won't run.. Audio projects are realtime.. The power needs to be realtime..
Sorry for my long message and rant, but I am really a bit annoyed. Maybe I will end up just keeping this macbook pro and imac pro till they die, then re evaluate in 5 years again.. If things are bad, I will just go straight to windows then. Or maybe I'll get my 6+ thousand Australian dollars back and get a windows lappy, and bank the rest! (I am scared to suddenly switch, I will admit it.. but I guess it has to happen eventually).
So weird.
I can't remember the last time I was so into a release.
I'm really surprised at the lack of manufacturing leaks. We had pictures of the aluminum bodies leak early since I've cared to follow this—the 2008 unibody release. "What is that port!?" for mDP, followed by all the "Light Peak" rumors that turned into Thunderbolt 1.
Seems like the biggest leaks on this machine are coming from Apple putting into the OS stuff, lol.
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I don't have a source for the OP, but in my experience Macs released after the release of new version of macOS generally cannot be downgraded. If a Mac pre-installed with a newer version of macOS had been released while the older version was available, you can downgrade. (I have no idea if all the new T2 stuff affects this.)
From personal experience, I used SuperDuper! to clone my 2008 15" MBP with 10.6.3 (latest release at the time) over to a brand spanking new 2010 13" MBP. While the machine worked and was supposedly running 10.6.3, Apple had just added a bunch of multitouch to the new MBPs to some special release of the OS. I lost that functionality when I cloned over and wouldn't get it back until 10.6.4 was released that June. (Migration assistant is way better now than it used to be.)
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Entirely? My understanding is this is only true if the hardware was released after Catalina. Pretty sure I could go get a new Air and downgrade it to Mojave.
I can't remember the last time I was so into a release.
I'm really surprised at the lack of manufacturing leaks. We had pictures of the aluminum bodies leak early since I've cared to follow this—the 2008 unibody release. "What is that port!?" for mDP, followed by all the "Light Peak" rumors that turned into Thunderbolt 1.
Seems like the biggest leaks on this machine are coming from Apple putting into the OS stuff, lol.
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I don't have a source for the OP, but in my experience Macs released after the release of new version of macOS generally cannot be downgraded. If a Mac pre-installed with a newer version of macOS had been released while the older version was available, you can downgrade. (I have no idea if all the new T2 stuff affects this.)
From personal experience, I used SuperDuper! to clone my 2008 15" MBP with 10.6.3 (latest release at the time) over to a brand spanking new 2010 13" MBP. While the machine worked and was supposedly running 10.6.3, Apple had just added a bunch of multitouch to the new MBPs to some special release of the OS. I lost that functionality when I cloned over and wouldn't get it back until 10.6.4 was released that June. (Migration assistant is way better now than it used to be.)
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Entirely? My understanding is this is only true if the hardware was released after Catalina. Pretty sure I could go get a new Air and downgrade it to Mojave.
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I wonder if the story should be why Apple is slow-walking this release. What is Apple trying to telegraph?
And since Catalina has already been released, if they release it today it would come with Catalina, not Mojave.
Still waiting for that 15” MacBook Air. Want the larger screen but don’t need the Pro stuff of the MacBook Pro.
I'm in the same boat. Sadly, I think we are few and far between. I'll be happy if all the 13" machines morph into 14" machines with smaller bezels.
I have mid 2012 rMBP and it’s been fantastic but now showing its age. My biggest regret was I only bought it with stock storage even though I upgraded ram and processor. The screen also has dead pixels now. Apart from that, great machine and still very usable.
I’m hoping this new model is a true replacement.
I’m hoping this new model is a true replacement.
I appreciate the difficult situation you find yourself in and why you consider Apple the villain but I’d like to suggest you take this as an opportunity to consider your technology strategy in light of these risks.
what you are describing has and will happen on Windows. My personal experience was that as windows has evolved from 3.1 through to 95, xp, 2007 and 10 (with others in between) it has shed support for software through the journey. It did at one point offer shamefully bad backwards compatibility options that rarely worked. But they moved on bye cause they had to.
It certainly sucks when it happens but in your case I’d highlight you seem incredibly reliant on a wide range of small developers who don’t offer continuing support for their products. It really isn’t apple’s fault that developers aren’t supporting decade old technology. As a professional you need to ensure your technology risks are minimised. I appreciate technology isn’t always easy to negotiate and you position is not unique but still it is ultimately your responsibility. If you do shift to windows you are simply kicking this problem down the line as there is no way known Microsoft want to continue support for 32bit indefinitely. The only difference between the two is that Apple moves faster because more of its users are on modern technology. Whichever way you go I’d strongly suggest you consider never installing another 32bit application or plugin otherwise you are accumulating a risk to your business. Whichever way you go you can’t continue your present technology strategy without inevitably facing the same issue. Good luck. I hope you find a way forward that works for you.
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That they had hoped Catalina would be more advanced and are waiting for it to be ready before releasing the Mac Pro and 16” MacBook Pro?
Yes you can!
You would need to make a bootable USB disc with a copy of Mojave on it
Then you would need to format your new Mac and do an install of Mojave off of the drive.
A Google search on how to install Mojave over Catalina would tell you exactly how to do it.
I know I did it when I installed an early Catalina beta and wanted to go back to Mojave.
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Just to clarify, you CAN put Mojave on a mac that ships with Catalina as long as that mac ORIGINALLY shipped with Mojave.
For instance, if you bought a 2019 15 inch macbook pro right now from Apple, it would come with Catalina. But that Model originally shipped with mojave 10.14.5, so you could still install 10.14.5 or 10.14.6 on it if you wanted.
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You cant install Mojave on a mac that was first shipped with Catalina. You can however, install any OS as far back as the OS that model was orginally shipped with.
So these NEW 16-inch macbook pros, if they come out now, will ship with 10.15.1. So you wouldnt be able to install Mojave on it. Only 10.15.1 or later.
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Really?
Why can't you simply format the Mac and install off a bootable drive?
I am not saying you are wrong -- however unless I am missing something this should work, right?
No. Mojave’s wouldn’t contain drivers and hardware support for machines released after it was made.
Then I do apologize for making a false claim.
Just learned something here and appreciate the clarification.
So, it's just gonna sit there inside their warehouses?
And when the time for launch comes, it will already be borderline outdated by specs?
Nice job, Apple! 👏
And when the time for launch comes, it will already be borderline outdated by specs?
Nice job, Apple! 👏
I am no developer myself, and I wonder how difficult it would be to translate software to 64 bits. I know Apple has warned developers for more than a decade, but I suppose they only set a deadline last year.