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Still doesn't explain why some of the Apple employees demoing it for the press in the hands on area couldn't get it to work reliably. I need to see more of this device tbh.

On Mark Gurman, I remember him having a piece out a few months ago claiming this FaceID tech would even work with your phone flat on a table. I was skeptical then but apparently it doesn't.

What probably happened was that the phone wasn't working properly and some on-site techs were frantically trying, failing, and handing it off to another tech; anything to get it working in time for it's stage cue. Unfortunate.
 

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Isn't there the issue that anyone can pickup a phone or the phone could be on a stand face IDing people and then lock you out.
If a touch ID phone is on a stand, it doesn't lock up unless you press your finger on it. Face ID is constantly scanning others and locking the phone?
 
Fail or no fail, I still don't understand why after a failed login attempt or phone restart you have to type the pass code in anyway.

If touch ID or face ID can't be relied on to log into a device in these scenarios and the fallback is the passcode then why bother with any of these touch/face alternatives to begin with?

Either commit fully to these security features or forever have scenarios where things fail or don't work as intended.

Just embarrassing really
 
So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)

Yes, good point. Every time the iphone has a face in front of it, it looks like it will scan it to recognize if it is the owner and could fire off many times if it senses a face or something around it regardless. Personally I am not a big fan of face recognition as I had thought that this situation that occurred on stage would be difficult to avoid (scannning all the time).

I believe what apple said about the stage issues, but it also shows the issues that will have to be overcomed until it is a plausible option to use.

Tough ID is fine for me. It is just now working ok...
 
So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?

If this were Touch ID, this wouldn't be an issue. I don't think each one of my friends would be "touching the home button" of my phone with each of their fingers. (sounds dirty)
Tougher than Touch ID.

I have never in my life found myself in a situation where I have to show something on my lock screen to various persons...some of you try very hard to invent non-existing problems without even trying the actual product.

This is trolling in its most purest form.
 
What probably happened was that the phone wasn't working properly and some on-site techs were frantically trying, failing, and handing it off to another tech; anything to get it working in time for it's stage cue. Unfortunate.
Right. And no one thought to scrap the one that wasn't working, and go with the perfectly functioning one right next to it. Or go out to the hands on area and grab one of the ones there that were working just fine for hours after that. They just said "o crap! It's not working! What'll we do?!" And left it sitting there as Craig's first option.
 
The demo is not relevant. And even after the event it was only apple employees that were set up for face id.

When it hits the wild we will know if it's just markerting or if the system really works flawlessly. From Touch ID experience , wait for rev b or c

But TouchID does not work "flawlessly". Every day I have to re-input my passcode after washing my hands.
 
Touch ID is far from perfect. I don't know about you guys/gals but every time i feel nervous there is noooooo ****ing way I can unlock my iPhone with Touch ID.
 
It's true Steve jobs demo failed from wifi congestion where he told journalists to all shut off their laptops or there would be no demo.

That was a historic moment.

You're pretty dang rude telling me to shut up tho. Control your raw emotions bro.

Uncalled for!
Scanning ones face is hardly What I call innovation. In your world maybe. But not in mine.

Removing Touch ID was a pretty controversial decision resulting in polarizing opinions. You can't possibly spin that, that everyone is on board with Face ID only especially launching a Touch ID model around the same time (8/8+? No?)

If they embed it in the display next year will you eat your words about "redundancy"?

What was a historic moment? Steve Jobs demo freezing bc bandwidth was being eaten by 300 laptops? Made perfect sense. No products failed to sell and no harm hit Apple as a result...your just phishing for negativity...period.

Adding Touch ID was a very controversial decision. And it was immediately met challenges to its reliability. Rewind the tape back to that time where people "claimed" that a photo of their fingerprint unlocked it.

Ha -"scanning faces is hardly innovation"? Really? How's yours working for you? Wait - you don't have any right? Clearly you've got a "no matter what Apple does it's lame, not reliable, and a mere copy of what someone else already has".

It's incredibly innovative and the ONLY phone or any hand held device on the market today that will be able to make contactless payments by verifying and scanning your face.

It's interesting how your pontificating about what Face ID has versus the belly flop of the SAMESONG Galaxy 8 did with its cheap add on feature to try to claim 1st to market with a SHODDY Feature AT BEST. Then SANESONG goes on to quickly add a fingerprint scanner to the rear of their FLAGSHIP phone that smudges the camera no less that clearly indicated it was a afterthought from attempt to rush an unfinished feature to market that's been proven to be incredibly weak.

If Apple had done the same you'd have taken a huge turd in defaming their lame excuse for a face recognition feature -- right? Right.
Apple will never admit that it failed (and in this case it did no matter how they spin it). This will go down in computer history next to the BSOD Bill Gates got while presenting Windows 98.
 
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Makes sense I guess, but man what a f*ckup that was...

I don't see this as a problem really. There's really no reason for some else to be looking at your lock screen when you can open it and show whatever is on that screen much better in a heartbeat.

Not that I plan on buying one of these. Always thought of iPhones as an overpriced walled garden (i.e hell for us software people) and this does nothing to change that.
 
Well the FaceID worked just great. Fast, responsive, won't have any trouble adapting to it in 24 to 48 hours.

Looks like all the detractors will have to go hide again till next year. Buy guys, see you next year.

Except many news sites say the demo units they tried didn't just work.
 
Right. And no one thought to scrap the one that wasn't working, and go with the perfectly functioning one right next to it. Or go out to the hands on area and grab one of the ones there that were working just fine for hours after that. They just said "o crap! It's not working! What'll we do?!" And left it sitting there as Craig's first option.

Backstage panic during a show is quite a thing. They may have been down to one device and in the panic they "forgot" that each time they handed the item to the next "Here let me try guy" the phone was saying, "Hey, wait a minute! Stranger Danger! Stranger Danger!" -That poor iPhone being passed around like a $5 flip phone. Ah, they'll work it out. I just hope nobody lost their job. Maybe a few people got a-floggin' with some Rose-Gold watchbands, but the most memorable and worth-the-watch videos that have the highest value are the ones when things don't work. Pros keep their cool and rock on, so to speak.
 
I wonder how App integration works. Do devs have to just say, where they want something like a paintover mask and everything is calculated on a secure enclave without access for the app to facial data or will there be a way for other apps to access to the face scanner and can collect such data? Which would basically be the password.

I hope, that this sensitive data will stay secured, but on the other hand I'm sad, that things like a very powerfull 3D scanner on a mobile device would not come true then ... All in all I marvel the technical feat pulled off, but I'm not happy, that it is used as ID.
 
I've a feeling lots of people will have problems with it and next year touch id will be back under the glass as a "backup" that everyone will use.
 
If the explanation is correct then "lift to wake" can be easily activated unintentionally leading to many failed scans thus needing to enter password all the time? If this is the case then the face ID is just error proned and not robust. If not the case, then it means that someone purposely tried to unlock the phone for the fun of it before demo. Saboteur? Or apple making excuses?

Also, if false scanning was detected the phone security would immediately prompt for password (just like after reboot) without going through the scanning stage, failing and then prompting for password. The flow just doesnt gel.
 
Yay and nay. So if someone is admiring my phone etc, faceid will ask for my passcode ..... so always actively trying to unlock

Not a great experience
It won’t show your notifications until you unlock it. And since you’re showing your friends the notifications wouldn’t you be the first person to look at the phone?
 
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