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Apple Says Face ID Didn't Fail Onstage During iPhone X Keynote

I'm sorry but it was a monumental **** up for many reasons:

It's the one new feature that such a big deal was made about on the grand reveal to the world and it failed on the very first try. It doesn't matter what the reason was, it's too late, it was the very first demo of a feature practically being forced on potential users because touch ID couldn't be made to work (we all know this from endless leaks) and this was the chance to allay their concerns. It failed. No-one asked for it or had a problem with touch ID.

It was yet another gift to the competition and usual Android fanboys that will keep giving for years. It's an embarrassment for Apple.

Even if it was because others were inadvertently activating it then that just brings up another concern - that every time you have your phone out in public it's going to be scanning faces endlessly and causing this exact problem.

The whole FaceID thing is a "solution" to a problem Apple created, the iPhone X just seems to have been rushed before everything was ready and initial takers will be guinea pigs that are $/£1000 out of pocket for the privilege, they can't even offer the fast/wireless charging in that price. :rolleyes:
 
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mkeeley said:
I've a feeling lots of people will have problems with it and next year touch id will be back under the glass as a "backup" that everyone will use.
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I think after the release everybody will say, hey that works great, better then expected, who care about touch ID !
 
mib1800 said:
If the explanation is correct then "lift to wake" can be easily activated unintentionally leading to many failed scans thus needing to enter password all the time? If this is the case then the face ID is just error proned and not robust. If not the case, then it means that someone purposely tried to unlock the phone for the fun of it before demo. Saboteur? Or apple making excuses?

Also, if false scanning was detected the phone security would immediately prompt for password (just like after reboot) without going through the scanning stage, failing and then prompting for password. The flow just doesnt gel.
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How many people lift up your phone? Tho only time I hand my phone to someone is after I’ve unlocked it and want to show them something
 
Ghost31 said:
You people are ridiculous on so many levels. You have an issue with "oh no the face id thing failed! Ahhhh" then its confirmed that it didn't actually fail and you move onto the next thing you could conceivably be upset about "ohhh wow. So it didn't fail. BUT what if a bunch of random people are just staring at my locked phone??"

You people are just looking for reasons to be upset. Jesus Christ people. It's never ending. Dreaming up scenarios that most likely won't happen ala Touch ID "what if someone wants to rob you and cuts your finger off?!?!"

Just take a break and enjoy the current state of tech for a bit. We live in amazing times
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This is the best post on MacRumors this year.
 
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Unless we're already there in a couple of areas of AI, it may be a black box: It just kind of works and it slowly gets better and better. Likewise there are certain therapeutic pharmacologicals that have been around for many years that work in certain parts of the brain: It's not certain exactly how they work with neurons and receptors, but they do work, and so they are left to their task.

As this "weak" AI gets better and goes toward strong AI, I think you'll see some really interesting stuff. Things that may create joy [Example 1] and things that may cause concern: [Example 1] [Example 2].
I said yesterday that AI has no emotion, and no ego to bruise. It simply analyzes and computes. With varying results. It'll get better.
 
Yes he failed the first time, but I think they can probably fix any problems in a 11.0.1 release. It's actually a good thing that Face ID is fussy. This means that it can't be exploited easily with photos and other techniques. Still I think that Touch ID is a better and faster solution but unfortunately they weren't able to put the touch ID sensor under the OLED glass and Samsung's solution having by the rear camera is not elegant at all. I knew Apple would never use this design.
 
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djcerla said:
But TouchID does not work "flawlessly". Every day I have to re-input my passcode after washing my hands.
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that like saying that "faceID" fails cause your closed your eyes cause you had water in them....and it failed :p

TouchID is brilliant, from when I take it our of my pocket and look at it, its already unlocked and I'm looking at my apps.

With FaceID, I take it out of my pocket, need to look at it, and wait for it to unlock. Touch ID is intuitive and faster, for a handheld device.....handheld device is key here!

Which is the better experience?
 
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Let's say It's true(? to me still), this brought up a even bigger issue: The iPhone X owner is surrounded by bunch people, except(or with) the owner, everyone is staring at it. Can you tell me which face should be authenticated? And after those fails, even the owner was there in the group will be required to enter the passcode?

The BIG problem of the answer from AAPL is: What's the proper "start" button, a.k.a mechanism, initiating FaceID authentication process! In Touch ID, its home button ring detection. From this answer, the design of the start button for FaceID mechanism is wrong, which is none, and so it has to scan every single face around iPhone X?

I am wondering if the long rumored TouchID embedded into display "was" designed to be the Start Button mechanism for the FaceID authentication process? Or it's the backup plan at the time FaceID failed?
 
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Of course it failed. It failed twice. The first time it didnt even start the process of unlocking and Craig had to lock and unlock the phone again. And he did wipe his face so that should be taken into consideration. Probably early software glitch. But still, its slow, awkard and cumbersome compared to TouchID.
 
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Starfyre said:
So what this means is if I am showing a funny text on my lockscreen to my friends... the phone is going to go into "require a passcode mode" after it gets passed around to 3 of my friends before it gets back to me?
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Uhhh, if you're going to show your friend a funny text from the lock screen, wouldn't that mean you would have read it first thus unlocking the phone before showing them the screen and ultimately not triggering anything?

In what scenario do you show your friend a text on YOUR device that you haven't even looked at yourself?

Most of these "what if" scenarios are such a reach, I'm sorry.
 
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Sevendaymelee said:
Can someone tell me if they have said we can just forgo the whole thing and use a password instead?
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Not 100% sure, but I think when you swipe up on the lock screen before your phone is unlocked it brings up the password keypad screen.

Unless you mean can faceid be disabled in general?
 
enzoso said:
Uhhh, if you're going to show your friend a funny text from the lock screen, wouldn't that mean you would have read it first thus unlocking the phone before showing them the screen and ultimately not triggering anything?

In what scenario do you show your friend a text on YOUR device that you haven't even looked at yourself?

Most of these "what if" scenarios are such a reach, I'm sorry.
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I think it was actually a deliberate move as to discourage people from buying. Also the way it was presented as hammering it to be the future next big thing, as to say it isn't ready to be shipped in masses now. Most likely due to resource problems.

I have a strong feeling they are unable to ship this year but still needed to show something new...
Just saying...
 
Smartass said:
Of course it failed. It failed twice. The first time it didnt even start the process of unlocking and Craig had to lock and unlock the phone again. And he did wipe his face so that should be taken into consideration. Probably early software glitch. But still, its slow, awkard and cumbersome compared to TouchID.
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I haven't had to use it yet - what did you find most cumbersome about it when you used it? I don't know about you, but I tend to hold my phone in front of my face when I use it, so I don't think I would find holding the phone in front of my face that cumbersome. Although I suppose different people use their phones differently.

As for Craig wiping his face - wasn't that most likely just an exaggerated 'oh ****' reaction?
 
HEK said:
Well the FaceID worked just great. Fast, responsive, won't have any trouble adapting to it in 24 to 48 hours.

Looks like all the detractors will have to go hide again till next year. Buy guys, see you next year.
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Have you watched the same video as I did? Obviously you did not, or you do not want to see the problems occuring in the second half of the FaceID demo. Sure it was quick and responsive when he tried it in the beginning. But didn't you notice (just one example in this video) how it got confused when both were looking at the device?
 
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MH01 said:
that like saying that "faceID" fails cause your closed your eyes cause you had water in them....and it failed :p

TouchID is brilliant, from when I take it our of my pocket and look at it, its already unlocked and I'm looking at my apps.

With FaceID, I take it out of my pocket, need to look at it, and wait for it to unlock. Touch ID is intuitive and faster, for a handheld device.....handheld device is key here!

Which is the better experience?
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TouchID of course. Apple just didn't manage to get it ready in time to be embedded into the screen. iPhone X is a phone with Plan B implemented. And I believe it shows. The unlocking during the presentation was noticeably slow.
 
borntrouble said:
Have you watched the same video as I did? Obviously you did not, or you do not want to see the problems occuring in the second half of the FaceID demo. Sure it was quick and responsive when he tried it in the beginning. But didn't you notice (just one example in this video) how it got confused when both were looking at the device?
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I watched the video before and I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just didn't pick up on the confusion thing. Can you post the time for more clarity?

Could the confusion thing you noticed be because they both had their faces scanned/stored on that device so it recongized both of them?
 
I'm hoping next year we will get the option of both a fingerprint scanner embedded in the oled screen, and face-ID, and that they will work intermittently so we don't have to choose either one for everything. For example you could choose fingerprint scanning for unlocking phone and Apple Pay and face-ID for everything else. We could simply toggle which solution we like depending on the service/app.
 
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borntrouble said:
Have you watched the same video as I did? Obviously you did not, or you do not want to see the problems occuring in the second half of the FaceID demo. Sure it was quick and responsive when he tried it in the beginning. But didn't you notice (just one example in this video) how it got confused when both were looking at the device?
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Nope - when was that? Part of Craig's demo?
 
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