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Steve Jobs has been dead for over a decade. What he thought and wanted for Apple really isn't relevant anymore.

As for the article, they, however, do approve of these apps:



Approve/Approved is not the same as “Approved of”
 
Steve Jobs has been dead for over a decade. What he thought and wanted for Apple really isn't relevant anymore.

As for the article, they, however, do approve of these apps:



Exactly. I actually met Steve Jobs when I worked for Apple. He was an arsehole - a lovable arsehole, but an arsehole all the same.
 
Do Apple see no moral issue with gambling, profanity, glorification of gang violence/firearms (in a lot of the music they promote on Apple Music) ?

Music, Books, and TV each seem to be following different standards molded by cultural norms established for them.

For app store the objectionable content include anything that is offensive, insensitive, upsetting, intended to disgust, in exceptionally poor taste, or just plain creepy. Examples of such content include:

  • 1.1.1 Defamatory, discriminatory, or mean-spirited content, including references or commentary about religion, race, sexual orientation, gender, national/ethnic origin, or other targeted groups, particularly if the app is likely to humiliate, intimidate, or harm a targeted individual or group. Professional political satirists and humorists are generally exempt from this requirement.
  • 1.1.2 Realistic portrayals of people or animals being killed, maimed, tortured, or abused, or content that encourages violence. “Enemies” within the context of a game cannot solely target a specific race, culture, real government, corporation, or any other real entity.
  • 1.1.3 Depictions that encourage illegal or reckless use of weapons and dangerous objects, or facilitate the purchase of firearms or ammunition.
  • 1.1.4 Overtly sexual or pornographic material, defined as “explicit descriptions or displays of sexual organs or activities intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.” This includes “hookup” apps and other apps that may include pornography or be used to facilitate prostitution, or human trafficking and exploitation.
  • 1.1.5 Inflammatory religious commentary or inaccurate or misleading quotations of religious texts.
  • 1.1.6 False information and features, including inaccurate device data or trick/joke functionality, such as fake location trackers. Stating that the app is “for entertainment purposes” won’t overcome this guideline. Apps that enable anonymous or prank phone calls or SMS/MMS messaging will be rejected.
  • 1.1.7 Harmful concepts which capitalize or seek to profit on recent or current events, such as violent conflicts, terrorist attacks, and epidemics.
(Not implying that this is a great standard to enforce for such a wide platform, but it is what Apple has developed over many years)
 
The Chinese government has a safe and closed environment for their own citizens, along the same lines. Is that what you really want?

Apple should wise up to the fact that many many adults watch porn. It should be an individual choice.
I agree with what you say. It's important to remember that Apple does not want their name associated with porn. I don't fault them for being annoyed.
 
Not if you actually take the time to set up child protection on the device. Protection that Apple can enforce in Safari or their App Store. But not in third party app stores or browsers. And this is exactly the point here!!!
But apps in third party app stores still have to be approved by Tim. Do some internet research for the following keywords, ios alternative app store Notarization requirements. All apps need to be signed by Tim. If he doesn't want it, why is he digitally signing it?
 
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What's with AI apps that could "draw" images of everything? I had one of those and it was just gone one day in my purchases list.

And it wasn't cheap at all, if there wasn't a one day promo.
 
Music, Books, and TV each seem to be following different standards molded by cultural norms established for them.

For app store the objectionable content include anything that is offensive, insensitive, upsetting, intended to disgust, in exceptionally poor taste, or just plain creepy. Examples of such content include:

  • 1.1.1 Defamatory, discriminatory, or mean-spirited content, including references or commentary about religion, race, sexual orientation, gender, national/ethnic origin, or other targeted groups, particularly if the app is likely to humiliate, intimidate, or harm a targeted individual or group. Professional political satirists and humorists are generally exempt from this requirement.
  • 1.1.2 Realistic portrayals of people or animals being killed, maimed, tortured, or abused, or content that encourages violence. “Enemies” within the context of a game cannot solely target a specific race, culture, real government, corporation, or any other real entity.
  • 1.1.3 Depictions that encourage illegal or reckless use of weapons and dangerous objects, or facilitate the purchase of firearms or ammunition.
  • 1.1.4 Overtly sexual or pornographic material, defined as “explicit descriptions or displays of sexual organs or activities intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.” This includes “hookup” apps and other apps that may include pornography or be used to facilitate prostitution, or human trafficking and exploitation.
  • 1.1.5 Inflammatory religious commentary or inaccurate or misleading quotations of religious texts.
  • 1.1.6 False information and features, including inaccurate device data or trick/joke functionality, such as fake location trackers. Stating that the app is “for entertainment purposes” won’t overcome this guideline. Apps that enable anonymous or prank phone calls or SMS/MMS messaging will be rejected.
  • 1.1.7 Harmful concepts which capitalize or seek to profit on recent or current events, such as violent conflicts, terrorist attacks, and epidemics.

I just find their inconsistent moralising silly.

The truth is they want to aggressively monetise everything that goes anywhere near their platform and they don't fancy being in the porn business.

If they weren't so busy trying gouge every third party on the platform they wouldn't find themselves in these moral quandaries.
 
…thereby approving them for running on consumers’ devices distribution.

Which is different than approving the app, all they did was ensure it was not malware; not approving what the app did or content, which is the point Apple is making.

They don’t have to.
Again: Apple chose to require their (Apple’s) approval - their checks and signing the app.
When they could’ve easily chosen a hands-off approach and not interfere at all instead.

Your splitting hairs on what approval meant - Apple checked the app for malware and said they found none. They did not say Apple approves of this app - the common meaning which implies they feel the app content is appropriate. They do not approve content for apps not on the App Store; which is how approval would be thought of in normal conversation.

More to the point, if the app runs afoul of EU laws regarding porn, Apple is not on the hook since they do not distribute it or approve the content.
 
I mean they let X and TikTok be on their AppStore. But pr0n bad yes

Actually, they do not allow TikTok any more in US (due to it being illegal)

If Apple would have a choice, their choice of what they allow could be quite different from App Store terms of service. But Apple must follow the local laws and cannot always choose. (Example: They probably would allow VPN apps in China if that would not be illegal)
 
Personally, when the freedom of choice of a corporation conflicts with the freedom of choice of users, I'm firmly in the camp that sides with the users.
Users are free to not select Apple’s platform. Having the government come in and say “thou shall allow others access to your property, for free, even if you don’t want them to have it” is the real immorality in the situation.
 
Apple is choosing to remain operational in the EU

If this is such an offense to all they hold dear they are welcome to pull out anytime

Remember all the "free market" stuff?

They can leave!
Nobody is forcing Apple to stay

If I walked away from every friend I'd had disagreements with, I'd have no friends. Life is more complicated than that.
 
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Never thought I'd hear Apple referencing 'hardcore porn' in a statement. Goodness me
 
Apple is choosing to remain operational in the EU

If this is such an offense to all they hold dear they are welcome to pull out anytime

Remember all the "free market" stuff?

They can leave!
Nobody is forcing Apple to stay

Interestingly they (and Meta) chose to limit AI features in EU. Maybe it is just them being careful. Maybe it is them testing the waters on how EU reacts to Apple choosing not to be in the market due to legislative hurdles.
 
Source was posted before.

The developer stated that the App was "Apple-approved", which is correct in the sense that Apple "approved the App for distribution", not that Apple "approved of the App's content".

Thanks! As said in the linked post "Apple needs to work on their template language" :) :)

(Someone in Cupertino is having a bad day today)
 
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Morality is all or nothing?

No doesn't have to be.

I honestly think it's ridiculous that a kid, assuming no parental intervention, can spend all day watching Apple TV content full of sex scenes, profanity and extreme violence then hop over to Apple Music and spend a few hours listening to mega violent drill music but porn apps 😱😱😱

A common sense approach would be to require each Apple ID to provide a passport or some sort of ID to prove they are 18+ thus authorise their account for explicit content. That way it could cover movies,music and gambling also
 
I just find their inconsistent moralising silly.

The truth is they want to aggressively monetise everything that goes anywhere near their platform and they don't fancy being in the porn business.

If they weren't so busy trying gouge every third party on the platform they wouldn't find themselves in these moral quandaries.

While I do not agree with the set of restrictions Apple has chosen, I find it commendable that they try to have some moral stance instead of none.
 
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