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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.2 Build 10C535 to Developers

Peace said:
Snow Leopard will never "fix" a 3rd. party software app. Only the developer can do that.
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This is wrong. Bugs in the Frameworks can do exactly this.

BobbyCat said:
We haven't experienced such a mess in a long time, and the freezing/crashing occurs often and in different situations. So, putting all the blame only on the developpers and the users seem unfair because it wasn't that bad with Panther, Tiger or Leopard. As far as I can remember.
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This is right.

Rocketman said:
Maybe Apple needs a primary software vendor butt-wiper squad. I agree they aren't doing it.
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No, they just need a beta test.

The crashes are bugs in the API. IF they were problems in the 3rd party software(being Leopard compatible, but not Snow Leopard-ready), then all Apple needed to do was create a new Version of the Framework for SL apps to link to. Older apps would link to the old version, and new apps would get the new version. It's real simple. Since that is not what has happened, it is down to API bugs. Those bugs could be long standing, and have suddenly been fixed, causing apps to fail. Or, they are current bugs, and will be fixed in future versions of Snow Leopard. But either way, only Apple-error can cause the widespread app crashes that are happening on Snow Leopard.
 
This may be great news for someone (like me) in the market for a MBP, because it may be updated along side with this software update.

Here is my reference to another post, which was on the main page LINK
 
When are they going to fix the stinkin' popping speaker issue for external speakers? Driving me nuts with my iMac. The freeware app AntiPop had fixed this issue for me until Snow Leopard, but now the problem is back.

:mad:
 
I hope this helps with the ExpressCard compatibility problems I've had with Snow Leopard.
 
I have yet to have any real big issues whatsoever. My system kernel panicked twice since I have installed Snow Leopard, but that was while I was intentionally shutting the laptop off. No loss of data, no glitches with Safari, no glitches with the graphics... nothing. In my opinion, Snow Leopard is great. My 10.6.1 update was only 9.8 MB, so this is pretty much 10.6 for me. :p

And for those who have been saying this: Services packs? Are you joking? Why would you not want a massive update for the system? This means that large and small issues that all/some of the end users have will be FIXED. Why does this upset you? Please tell me, I'm dying to know.
 
Markov said:
I have yet to have any real big issues whatsoever. My system kernel panicked twice since I have installed Snow Leopard, but that was while I was intentionally shutting the laptop off. No loss of data, no glitches with Safari, no glitches with the graphics... nothing. In my opinion, Snow Leopard is great. My 10.6.1 update was only 9.8 MB, so this is pretty much 10.6 for me. :p

And for those who have been saying this: Services packs? Are you joking? Why would you not want a massive update for the system? This means that large and small issues that all/some of the end users have will be FIXED. Why does this upset you? Please tell me, I'm dying to know.
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Doesn't upset me, I like fixed stuffs :)

I do wish we could make slipstreamed install disks though, so that in the future I could install from a disk that includes all such updates from the start.
 
arkmannj said:
Doesn't upset me, I like fixed stuffs :)

I do wish we could make slipstreamed install disks though, so that in the future I could install from a disk that includes all such updates from the start.
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Yeah, that'd make things easier. But the way I look at it, it's just more time I have to do something else while I let me system sit and install. lol
 
Peace said:
Snow Leopard will never "fix" a 3rd. party software app. Only the developer can do that.
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Actually there's a known Apple bug in 10.6.1, maybe 10.6 too, where somehow a save dialog can crash. I've seen a few crash reports about it specifically for the project I'm working on, and based off that googling shows a lot of other people experiencing the same crash in other apps such as Safari, Mail, FCP, VLC, etc. Bugs in the frameworks are one of the biggies since they can affect any app. I've also seen plenty of bugs due to Quartz-related frameworks, and I'm currently looking into the possibility of an Nvidia+SL bug on the unibodys. Not fun ;)
 
Amdahl said:
This is wrong. Bugs in the Frameworks can do exactly this.
This is right.

No, they just need a beta test.
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It's kind of weird that Apple is obsessed with perfection in some areas, while completely disregarding others (soft quality). Their soft QA is subpar, even MS does a better job (MS learned the Vista disaster lessons)
 
Here's my adventure. I've been getting KP's while using Aperture 2. First off, I've used macs for about 5 years and have never had on until 10.6.1 so I was pretty surprised. I was like...what is this screen? Anyway, i tried to reboot and.....nothing. Just a gray screen, no gray apple, nada.

Totally freaked me out so I ran it down my my local Apple store. They tested the drives, all good. They ended up reinstalling 10.6. Everything has seemed to work pretty well since then though.

Anyone else have something like this happen?
 
Amdahl said:
This is wrong. Bugs in the Frameworks can do exactly this.


This is right.

No, they just need a beta test.

The crashes are bugs in the API. IF they were problems in the 3rd party software(being Leopard compatible, but not Snow Leopard-ready), then all Apple needed to do was create a new Version of the Framework for SL apps to link to. Older apps would link to the old version, and new apps would get the new version. It's real simple. Since that is not what has happened, it is down to API bugs. Those bugs could be long standing, and have suddenly been fixed, causing apps to fail. Or, they are current bugs, and will be fixed in future versions of Snow Leopard. But either way, only Apple-error can cause the widespread app crashes that are happening on Snow Leopard.
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My God, someone in the news forum that actually knows what they're talking about... that makes like 20 out of... 1000+
 
c'mon apple give us this update 10.6.1 not really good like we expected .. dam im missing to leopard :eek:
 
ToM7 said:
c'mon apple give us this update 10.6.1 not really good like we expected .. dam im missing to leopard :eek:
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And do you want it to be a crappy update?

It is undergoing testing... They will release when it is ready. Hopefully they have learned from 10.6.1 to do this and not rush. :rolleyes:
 
Something else I noticed is the boot time in SL. In 10.5.8, when I turn my macbook on, the screen goes gray and the Apple logo appears instantly. Now with 10.6.1, the Apple logo takes around 15-20 seconds to appear. Before my boot time was around 35 seconds, now is more than a minute.:mad:
 
What I want fixed:

Ability to drag images directly from Safari to Application icons on the Dock to open them with those apps
Random Kernel Panics
Exposé and Spaces glitches and performance lags in Spaces

That's all I've experienced so far!
 
Wow, you guys seem to have a ******** of problems with snow leopard. Am I the only one not having any serious glitches, besides some safari 4 beachballing which I had also with Leopard?

For me Snow Leopard is as stable as Leopard (past 10.5.5) has been.
 
JasonDawg18 said:
For the love of God, I just hope this fixes all the crap that's been going on in Safari. It literally crashes 5-10 times per day.
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Wow, Safari hasn't crashed at all on me since I updated to Snow Leopard, and that was the day after release!

I haven't had any issues at all since updating. It's just like Leopard for me, but snappier and I have more space.
 
Kilamite said:
Leopard is a mess when it first came out.

None of Apple's OS's have been particularly stable after release, and you can't really expect a brand new OS to be a mature state. I think SL was slightly rushed, some of the bugs really should not be there.

10.6.2 will have a significant impact, but it'll probably take a while longer to get really stable.
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I think that most people ignore every release. I remember when I first moved to Mac back in the 10.2 days - it was buggy in the beginning, 10.3 introduced a corruption bug with oxford chipsets and even by 10.3.9 it was horrible, 10.4.x was an improvement over 10.3 when it was first released. The problem is that most new Mac users only experience was with Mac OS X 10.4.4 that appeared on the first Intel Mac's.

10.6.1. hasn't been as buggy as some make out - the majority of the problems sit squarely on the shoulders of lazy developers who couldn't be figged adequately testing their software or following the guides that Apple provided.

What do I think about 10.6.2? its going to be a massive update before there is a wine-down before Christmas - I know alot of companies start getting their employee's to take their breaks early around this time of the year to avoid staff gone over Christmas. 10.6.2 will stabilise Mac OS X - the problems most people experience today are due to lazy software vendors - Adobe sucks but it is just a fact or life - so get used to it.
 
I wonder if the virtual machine mention will have anything to do with the mighty mouse. I'm looking forward to using the MM but wonder if it will work in Fusion 3 on Win7, i.e. provides Windows drivers. It would be nice to have that multitouch or at least touch scrolling inside a Win7 VM.
 
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