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You know what will get me to switch back to an iPhone? A top of the line iPhone that costs less than $1,000. I'm not talking about $999.
 
I have to say security is a big plus for me for remaining in the Apple ecosystem. Although I suppose I should update my iOS. I'm sitting on 10.3.1

What, iyo, are the reasons I should upgrade. Been thinking about it for a little bit now but it seems iOS 11 is geared more towards the iPad in terms of features.
 
How about you just fix the software bugs update your archaic user interface to keep people and bring in new users.

Apple is now defined as a company with good hardware with software on the decline.

Most iFans will hate this post but it's simply the truth.
 
Numbers say it's very compelling.

Normalized for a 14 week quarter, Apple sold 83M iphones at almost $800 each and continues to have the highest loyalty in the business (over 90% buy another iPhone).
I agree. iPhone might not have all the features (read gimmicks) but it is the best when it comes to making the best of what it has. Android has improved tremendously over the years and there is no doubt about it but when it comes to simplicity and ease of use,  has no peers. When it comes to security  is in a different galaxy altogether. I have used iPhones since its first iteration and have also been using an Android phone for a little over 6 months now. For a flagship device, my android was still running Nougat till very recently.
 
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How about you just fix the software bugs update your archaic user interface to keep people and bring in new users.

Apple is now defined as a company with good hardware with software on the decline.

Most iFans will hate this post but it's simply the truth.

Personally, I only hate these kinds of posts when they fail to mention specific examples. What part of the iOS UI do you consider archaic? I think the latest iteration of iOS has done some fantastic things with the UI, definitely a massive improvement over earlier versions of iOS.
 
How about an Android Go Phone? Lightweight android. Guaranteed updates and $80.

$80 for the entire phone. ZTE Tempo Go.

How do you market people away from that?
 
Most android users I know are cheap in most aspects of their life, tech included.

The few that care most about tech are intrinsically attracted to the inconvenient ways of doing things.
I don't doubt your observations. However, I can't help but be amused by this since I know Android users who use Macs, as well as those who spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on Android games, IAP, and multimedia (music, video, TV shows, movies, and ebooks)
 
This is how consumers are interpreting these new ads.

Full of hot air. Can't use calculator app to add 1+2+3, throttling performance after one year, etc.

Don't go there if you want iCloud to leak private photos all over the internet, frequent iOS and iMessage bugs that DoS the device, etc.

Doesn't believe in recycling by making devices non-upgradeable and non-serviceable .

Have you tried getting your iPhone battery replaced? It's like jumping through circus hoops.

Have to say Samsung's ads are more effective.
 
These videos don't have to tempt Android users over to considering iPhone. They are on the website where Android (and other OS) users are already showing an interest, far more than just looking at what handsets are available, and are specifically looking at how difficult it'll be for them to make the move. A few nonsense videos which don't really back up their claims just makes it look all the easier and like it can't be difficult at all.

I would say I'm surprised by Apple doing stuff like this, but then the last few years, the hardware/software issues, the battery issues currently, the general sentiment of what people appear to think of Apple Support if you search Twitter for tweets about them - it doesn't surprise me. No doubt the next keynote they'll trot out the usual satisfaction score thing, saying how everyone loves their iPhone, the support, etc etc...

Unless Apple come out with a real bargain new SE device, and improve the default warranty to more than 1 year, then I really think I'm going to have to move to Android for my next phone - a year ago I'd never had thought that'd be the case, after being an iPhone user since the 4S.
 
These are gonna trigger some folks, and as someone that thinks the ongoing fanboy "phone warz" is hilarious, I wait with baited breath at the reactions.
 
I don't doubt your observations. However, I can't help but be amused by this since I know Android users who use Macs, as well as those who spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on Android games, IAP, and multimedia (music, video, TV shows, movies, and ebooks)

I've NEVER met an Android user who has willingly paid for media or *especially* apps on their device. Like, ever.
 
You think companies spend millions in advertising and marketing every year to preach to the choir? I mean, that's definitely part of it, but you really don't think there's an effort to lure people off the competitor's platform?
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On paper.

In practice, Android phones tend to let applications and background processes kill your battery life and tracking those things down can take a while which is a headache. By contrast, iOS limits what background processes can do and gives you clear options for stopping background activity if you choose. Fresh out of the box, clean install of Android might outdo iOS in terms of battery usage, but in practical usage, it's not even close. And yes, I've owned both and I know this firsthand. Battery drain on iOS is really not that big an issue.

on paper and and true. you can try.
 
This is how consumers are interpreting these new ads.

Full of hot air. Can't use calculator app to add 1+2+3, throttling performance after one year, etc.

When I watched this one, I thought "what goes up, must come down".


Don't go there if you want iCloud to leak private photos all over the internet, frequent iOS and iMessage bugs that DoS the device, etc.

If I'd not have seen the "safe" title on YouTube, I took think it looks more like "scary, dangerous don't even go there..."


Doesn't believe in recycling by making devices non-upgradeable and non-serviceable .

The whole point of this video seems almost lost in small print that flashes up at the bottom of the screen. And if someone isn't the sort of person who litters or leaves their used stuff around for others to clean up, I'm not sure it really is going to feel like it applies to them. The iPhone side of it doesn't explain how it's any different.


Have you tried getting your iPhone battery replaced? It's like jumping through circus hoops.

When I saw this, I saw someone with a good hand grip, transferring to someone who is holding on by their feet and has a (weak) grip of the other person's hands. That's two, if not three, potential points of failure.


But then, I'm not the target audience for these videos. I'm not looking to go from Android to iPhone. I'm sure the people at Apple know what they're doing - after all, they tell us "everything's going just great" every time there's an update on the business...
 
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Seems like a more modern take on the old Mac vs. PC commercials.

You mean a commercial where someone gets bounced from one side of the screen to another in some silly way is a modern take a commercial that would in a humous way poke fun at a major flaw in the competing product while explaining how much better Apple is at that same thing?

Try watching some of those mac vs pc ads today. There is a huge contrast in Apple's ads from 10 years ago to today. Modern Apple ads are really bad. Compare the iconic iPod silhouette ads to anything Apple is doing now.

And before the apologists climb out of the woodwork, I'm not attacking Apple or their products here, just saying their ads are really bad these days.
 
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... When it comes to security  is in a different galaxy altogether. I have used iPhones since its first iteration and have also been using an Android phone for a little over 6 months now. For a flagship device, my android was still running Nougat till very recently.

That's one major thing that has put me off getting an Android phone, the slow speed at which updates, even the monthly security updates, become available to some users. I really like how an iPhone update is available to everyone immediately (as long as your device isn't a discontinued one obviously).

I do however feel Google are getting wind of this though, as Android Go and Android One both seem to be pointing at having "timely updates", and with more handset manufacturers going for Android One, possibly we'll see the shift to it becoming far more like we get with iOS updates. I'm sure if Google have seen it as an area where they're falling behind, they'll make it so that's not a problem for much longer - might help improve the fragmentation of user OS on Android too over time if it becomes more like the iOS approach to updates.
 
It will take a lot more than that, from what I can tell. The smartphone industry has peaked, and like it or not, the iPhone isn’t as compelling a device as it used to be.

Hmmm do ya *think* that’s why Apple is diversifying by having service sales increase by double digits? Could it be the AirPods that have exploded in sakes? The Apple Watch where you can now soon buy the watch at your cellphone carrier? The iPads ? The Macs?

I mean too many of you think Apple and their management just rest their laurels on the iPhone. HomePod is another example.

Please climb out of your respective boxes. Seriously.
 
You think companies spend millions in advertising and marketing every year to preach to the choir? I mean, that's definitely part of it, but you really don't think there's an effort to lure people off the competitor's platform?
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No, I'm not convinced they put effort into that as every ad that even acknowledges other trucks seems rushed and cliche.
 
How about an Android Go Phone? Lightweight android. Guaranteed updates and $80.

$80 for the entire phone. ZTE Tempo Go.

How do you market people away from that?

Oooh ooh, I know. I know! Can I take this one?

*ehem*

You don't.

People who are not spending money have minimal value to fight over.
 
It is easy to switch to iOS because Android doesn't lock up your data, you have access to a file manager. It is easy to export your contacts and photos.

iOS is another story.

Interesting but I have no plans to ever switch from iOS so that’s fine with me.
 
They still sold 1 million less iPhones than the year before, during a major redesign cycle, and offset the revenue with the higher pricing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The year ago quarter had 14 weeks and Apple sold 78.3 million iPhones. In the most recently reported quarter, there were 13 weeks and Apple sold 77.3 million iPhones.

78.3 million ÷ 14 weeks = approximately 5,592,857 iPhones sold per week

77.3 million ÷ 13 weeks = approximately 5,946,154 iPhones sold per week.

If there were 14 weeks in the most recently reported quarter so it is comparable to the year ago 14 week quarter, Apple would have sold approximately 83,246,156 iPhones.

That's approximately 4.9 million more iPhones than in the year ago quarter

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/01/apple-q1-2018-results/
 
With friends like you who needs enemies. It's exactly this attitude towards other people (over a phone, seriously?) that can turn people off being associated in any way with the apple community.

So generally speaking there is truth to that statement all of the Android users I know seem to view Apple as a luxury brand and expensive.

Also there is a higher ROI on app investments for developers for iOS versus android to where you can readily find an .apk online and sideload it to your phone thus cheating a hard working dev out of profit for an app.
 
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