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98% of Android users choose android phones because they are cheaper. No amount of cute advertising is going to change that.
Yeah, my kid had a cheap Samsung Android but when she was allowed to buy her own she got a iPhone 6 right away and is loving it, man did that Samsung suck and was hard to use, using a mem-card is bonkers on that thing.

The best advertisements for iPhone are cheap Androids.
 
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I agree. iPhone might not have all the features (read gimmicks) but it is the best when it comes to making the best of what it has. Android has improved tremendously over the years and there is no doubt about it but when it comes to simplicity and ease of use,  has no peers. When it comes to security  is in a different galaxy altogether. I have used iPhones since its first iteration and have also been using an Android phone for a little over 6 months now. For a flagship device, my android was still running Nougat till very recently.
Problem with Android is you never get updates in a timely fashion. I was on the same version of Android for 2.5 years with a Galaxy Note 4 (the most expensive Android at the time).
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Yeah, that's the problem right there. You lost me - and a few billion other people - at $800. That's a lot of money for a TOY that barely has a lifetime of two years before it becomes obsolete. You can get at least six(!) TP-Link Neffos C5 Max devices for the same money - and the Neffos is already more smartphone that most people will ever need.
Again, proof is in the numbers. Didn't lose "a lot of people" let alone a "few billion." LOL.

iPhones are never going to cost $99...which is why Apple makes 90% of the smartphone profit with 20% of the share.
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And yet you seem to think it will be easy to get 'android phone users that buy cheap phones' to switch to an $800 phone. I don't see that happening. Especially in the US where apple is saturated. Tim and the rest of management knows the market is saturated and that's why these commercials are necessary.

Must get a low cost phone out or stagnation hits. Apple won't do that so stagnation is very near, if not already at hand.
Maybe i direct you to the iPhone SE? They will come. The world is getting more affluent every day.

Apple is an aspirational brand. Get used to it.
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You're arguing a different point. @otternonsense is arguing it's going to take more than a few videos to convert Android users to iPhone. You are arguing iPhone users tend to buy iPhones again. Those are not the same.

I think he's right. Those videos, although cute, wouldn't convince anyone to switch imo.
Advertising has minimal effects. Experience matters. Once you go iPhone, you never go back. Apple just has to wait for these people to get frustrated with Android. Happened to me...will happen to others.

Once Apple has you, they have you. That's the key.
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You can interprete numbers any way you want. Apple also sold 1m less devices compared to last year’s Q4, even with a substantially redesigned iPhone.

And I’m speaking as an iPhone user (who’s grown terminally bored of iOS).
You HAVE to interpret numbers in reality.

1) Last year was a 14 week quarter. That MATTERS. In fact, it matters to the point you have to admit they sold 83M phones in the same timeframe. You want to say it doesn't matter, you're wrong and irresponsible. As an investor, you have to look at it.

2) The iPhone X was not on sale until Nov 4. The fact they sold as many as they did with people waiting for the phone (hurting iPhone 8 in the short term) and the fact iPhone X was only available 57 days in the quarter, also matters greatly.

3) They also increased ASP to $800 (almost $100 higher) and iPhone revenue was 17% higher than last year.

Think what you want. I am just giving you facts. A 90 day clock is stupid/meaningless for Apple as the overall narrative has not changed at all. Services are up up up, subscription (paid services) were up 30M in just 90 days to 240M paid subscribers. 1.3B active devices. 13% y/y growth on top and bottom line.

The quarter was a massive success. Only someone looking at high level numbers would come to your conclusion. Unit sales in a 90 day period are next to meaningless for the reasons I gave you, particularly when they are still so strong. If we are talking 50M iPhones sold in Q1, wake me up.
 
You must be doing it wrong. I used to do a full local backup, then sign into the new phone and restore from that. Now I just sign into the new phone and choose my previous phone's latest iCloud backup. Within an hour or two I have everything I had (aside from downloaded music) on my new device. Everything is signed in, and all of my apps are where they should be.

Android is a different story. I still have to do new phones from scratch, no matter what Google is supposedly backing up in the background to the Play Store.


I've had poor and good luck with both. I will say Android has been better for me the last few years. I buy about 3-4 Android phones a year and they are just as easy as your iCloud backup (never done it myself) honestly, sign in and everything starts going and it's exactly how all the other phones look and no signing in to individual apps. I don't like that when I buy a new iPhone I am forced to update both phones to the same iOS version in order to get the new one to restore that's been my biggest gripe with getting a couple a year.
 
Yondu: I’m iPhone, y’all.

lol cute ...

All jokes aside I think these are THE most insulting and dumb commercials Apple has ever wasted money and resources on for anything in their history! AT least Lemmings had a key point to it and was relevant.

Sigh.... I miss Mac and PC :(

I'm already missing my PC.

Can somebody tell me ... why when I'm creating a new contact in MacOS High Sierra (FileVault encrypted SSD) that ...

I can copy and paste from Mail, TextEdit, the Browser in macOS and paste text data into New Contact.
I cannot save a picture of someone in browser to downloads and add that into the Contact photo ...
- by drag and drop,
- forced when using the "+" Add icon in Contacts ... I'm FORCED to only look in Photos to add a contact picture?!

Like this is THE most basic and simplistic task in any Desktop computer OS (Windows, Linux, Unix/FreeBSD) and I cannot go anywhere on my computer to ADD a photo to a New Contact I'm in the midst of creating?
- Craig Federighi WTF have you done to OSX?! I don't recall Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Lion/Mountain Lion being this assinine/restrictive. Like seriously this is what Apple is calling "The Best Desktop Operating System"?!?!!@@:mad:!@@!

Grrrr.
 

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When it comes to Android there is a lot of ****** phones and software out there. But I don't blame Android for that. I blame the users who buy and companies who create these ****** phones. When I chose Android I always chose stock Android. That means the latest Android with no bloatware and no manufacture modifications. That's why I always bought Nexus phones from Google. My first phone was a Nexus 4 and the second a Nexus 5X. And those were great phones! Looking at my friends latest android phones it was always a pain to watch their "flagships". That means laggy GUI, 1-2 years old android version and lots of bloatware. And those were actually more expensive than my nexus phone! And the preinstalled apps were a pain in the a**. Several cloud apps, two music apps, two calendars etc. And I get why people switch to an iPhone. I couldn't stand this crap myself! But when it comes to the latest Stock Android (8.1) it's actually a very good operating system! I'm sure most of you never experienced the latest Android without all this crapware (which is currently only available on Google Pixel). Notifications, swipe-typing, google assistant, Google Camera App, way better notification sound settings. You can even silence your phone based on calendar events and a lot more cool stuff I'm really missing on iOS. Both systems are great and both are very good systems. And both have strengths and weaknesses. Every system has its own issues any you can't say that one is better than the other.

Except for all these modified android phones with an antique Android version and lots of bloatware. Those are crap. When talking about Android I'm always taking about the latest stock Android.
 
Apple has an advertising budget. This is a timely way to use it.

I wanted the trapeze to swing back and “Your phone” to drop her. Now that would show “poor support.”
 
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98% of Android users choose android phones because they are cheaper. No amount of cute advertising is going to change that.

I disagree, everyone around me likes it because of the openness. They can save any audio file to audio app and some illegal app called Show Box.
 
This ads are ridiculous, did a 5 year old make them?

"Your phone is hard, our phone is easy"
"Our phone is good, your phone is bad"

Show something actually useful, like Apple wallet or something, you get NOTHING from these ads in regards to why iPhone is better.
 
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I won’t lie, the iPhone 6 got me queuing at the Amsterdam Apple store whereas I didn’t find the 5(S) generation compelling enough to part with my 4S.

But then, when I had to hand in my 6 for repairs 2 years later, a friend lend me his almost unused black iPhone 5 and I was like.. WOW. That thing was a beauty. And so pocketable. Slap an edge to edge display and improved internals on that pitch black chassis, and I’d probably queue outside an Apple store again ;)

EXACTLY! That's exactly what I would love to see! An iPhone 5 design with everything from an iPhone X!
 
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It is easy to switch to iOS because Android doesn't lock up your data, you have access to a file manager. It is easy to export your contacts and photos.

iOS is another story.

Read that again, but more slowly, so that it sinks in.
 
Most android users I know are cheap in most aspects of their life, tech included.

The few that care most about tech are intrinsically attracted to the inconvenient ways of doing things.
Thanks for your elitist view of Android users.
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The difference between iOS and Windows is that iOS is made by Apple, so all updates are by definition GOOD. Understanding this, is what makes one a loyal Apple follower.
Yes. Let's talk about iOS 11 and the power management.. shall we?
 
When is Apple going to enable NFC on iPhone for things like camera pairing? That might convince some.
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Yeah, my kid had a cheap Samsung Android but when she was allowed to buy her own she got a iPhone 6 right away and is loving it, man did that Samsung suck and was hard to use, using a mem-card is bonkers on that thing.

The best advertisements for iPhone are cheap Androids.
Are you too cheap to buy your kid a decent Android phone? Sounds like a typical Apple fan.
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This ads are ridiculous, did a 5 year old make them?

"Your phone is hard, our phone is easy"
"Our phone is good, your phone is bad"

Show something actually useful, like Apple wallet or something, you get NOTHING from these ads in regards to why iPhone is better.
Apple can't do it because if they try, Samsung will beat them easily (better specs, more features). Apple's message is: we have fewer features (way fewer), which makes our phones easier to use.
 
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Problem with Android is you never get updates in a timely fashion. I was on the same version of Android for 2.5 years with a Galaxy Note 4 (the most expensive Android at the time).
My LG G4 is on Android 6.x/Marshmallow. Originally came with 5.1.1/Lollipop. No ping to upgrade to 7.x/Nougat, nor 8.x/Oreo, but that's fine. Google apps still get updated independently (e.g. Gmail and Chrome), T-Mobile is still sending out security update, and the phone does everything I'd like it to (especially considering it only cost a fraction of the top of the line LG, Samsung, and Apple phones).

Again, proof is in the numbers. Didn't lose "a lot of people" let alone a "few billion." LOL.

iPhones are never going to cost $99...which is why Apple makes 90% of the smartphone profit with 20% of the share.
Unless a company's stability is in question, a company making a kabajillion dollars doesn't impress me. Unless they make the improvements and products I'm looking for, then all you're doing it pointing out money they've earned, that won't benefit you nor me in any way. By that similar token, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Google, etc., making half or twice as much as Apple wouldn't really impress me either.

Maybe i direct you to the iPhone SE? They will come. The world is getting more affluent every day.

Apple is an aspirational brand. Get used to it.
I don't know... there's more people fighting for the same amount of money.

Advertising has minimal effects. Experience matters. Once you go iPhone, you never go back. Apple just has to wait for these people to get frustrated with Android. Happened to me...will happen to others.

Once Apple has you, they have you. That's the key.
https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/alternatives-to-ios-and-ios-devices.157/

Some folks talk about their wonderful experiences switching to Android. Others discuss going back to iPhone. Then you have those that have stayed put in their respective phone OS platforms. Never say "never".
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So generally speaking there is truth to that statement all of the Android users I know seem to view Apple as a luxury brand and expensive.

Also there is a higher ROI on app investments for developers for iOS versus android to where you can readily find an .apk online and sideload it to your phone thus cheating a hard working dev out of profit for an app.
Heard from a podcast where a guest speaker states "there generally isn't a culture of paying for things on the App Store". For most users, there's a good deal of free apps and games. On top of that, those have to compete with other forms of entertainment as well.

While, jailbreaking is an obstacle, but if there are some nice apps on iOS, that won't deter them

Also consider that while a game like Monument Valley had a 95% piracy rate on Android, it still had a whooping 60% piracy rate on iOS....
https://www.destructoid.com/monumen...piracy-rate-on-android-60-on-ios-285851.phtml
 
No, but they definitely have them at $150. So we agree. Cheap iPhones.

No they don’t. Show me any iPhone for $150. Outright off-contract price.

There are loads of Android phones under $100. I bought one a couple months ago for $65 brand new, off contract, unlocked and full retail (not even on sale). This is the reality of Android. Mostly cheap junk phones with a few flagships thrown in.
 
No they don’t. Show me any iPhone for $150. Outright off-contract price.

There are loads of Android phones under $100. I bought one a couple months ago for $65 brand new, off contract, unlocked and full retail (not even on sale). This is the reality of Android. Mostly cheap junk phones with a few flagships thrown in.
Ironically, there are way more flagship Android models than iPhone models (one).
 
It will take a lot more than that, from what I can tell. The smartphone industry has peaked, and like it or not, the iPhone isn’t as compelling a device as it used to be.

Then how come they keep selling so many? How come every movie/tv show has them in it?
 
Yet the iPhone outsells all of them combined.
Are you sure about that? iPhone market share is just 15%. IPhone X is a small fraction of that but let's be generous and give it 33% share of Apple phones. That's 5% of the market. I suspect Android flagship phones do more than that.
 
Then how come they keep selling so many? How come every movie/tv show has them in it?
They don't keep selling so many. I would like to know how many people upgrade their phones on Apple's annual upgrade plan. That will make sure what's the net increase in new customer aquisition.
 
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