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Apple Speaks Out Against Trump Order to Rescind Protections for Transgender Students
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Apple is not a government institution. They're a private company selling services and products. As a consumer you can try to sue them for misleading advertising, broken products, offensive conduct, etc. but that's about it.
Here we go again. Stick to making consumer products.
Not as long as Timmy is CEO. He's driving the outspoken social & political voice of Apple. If Tim weren't member of LGBT I doubt his level of rhetoric would be this high.
Instead he should focus his energies as CEO on making great, affordable products.
The moment some kid says they identify as transgender and decides to use the restroom of the opposite sex to engage in creepy or illegal behavior is the moment this issue finally goes away. Any parent -- and most people who are thinking logically -- know that it is unwise to tell teenagers that they can use any bathroom they please.
Here we go again. Stick to making consumer products.
Yep, after exclusive use of Apple/Mac products since 2001 I've had enough. I want awesome, innovative technology products. I do not want a political statement. When my phone contract expires in June I'm done with the iPhone. When I replace my Apple laptop and desktop this year it will be with another manufacturers product. I'm done. Love the products, but won't contribute to your political campaigns again. Bye Apple.
they should stick to working on issues with the products, but if you have man parts you use the mans restroom. i dont give a flip what you identify as. fully behind trump
technicality of the electoral college? lol
you realize this is how every president has been elected since the country was started right? the popular vote means nothing and came almost entirely from California. that's why we have the electoral college.
And how many people does this affect? What about the person that wants to identify as a cat. Does that mean we have to put kitty litter in bathrooms too?
Woah.
Let's be clear- HRC campaign chased Bernie out, and the DNC collided with the HRC campaign to undermine him at every turn. Her people were so unethical and dishonest that I'm still reeling from how this could be allowed to happen in our country.
As for Trump, the HRC campaign chose him as a "pied piper" candidate for the republicans, "elevated" him in the press using their press contacts, and that's how we got stuck with him. No, seriously. Let's go straight to the source: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120
(Click on attachments and read the PDF)
Long story short, we were stuck with two crap candidates. People responded.
Right on, Apple. No. That's what Apple are. Right on! Their adherence to any right-on matters, regardless of what the subject is if it sounds like a minority is involved.. . Count us in. ... right on, man!
Now. What did you say the problem was again?
Now. What did you say the problem was again?
What the hell is wrong with making this a state issue? Does the federal government have to be involve in everything? I see nothing wrong with this. If you care about the bathroom issue, simply bring it up to your state legislature and get the law changed for your state. Geesh people. It's not rocket science.
I wish Tim Cook would speak out on why the AirPods have so much trouble syncing to the Apple Watch.
I have been slowly loosing faith in Apple, maybe under Cook the focus has shifted to politics not products.
I have been slowly loosing faith in Apple, maybe under Cook the focus has shifted to politics not products.
Are you suggesting Apple should just sell out? Do you feel the same about the hundreds of large corporations that lobby lawmakers every single day?
Plus, they have every right to speak out about issues that impact their employees. I also wonder if you would be so quick to condemn Apple if they were speaking out in defense of your rights.
Popular vote means nothing? Since you use the State of California as an example, how it is fair that EVERY REPUBLICAN VOTE for Trump in California was for nothing. Didn't count. Every Republican might as well had stayed home on voting day. How is that fair? How is the Electoral College fair? Most states are "all-or-nothing". States like California basically always vote Democrat. If I were a Republican in California, I'd not waste my time even voting.
I don't give a rats ass if that's the way it's always been. Many things have always been one way and were changed. It's time the EC is changed or we change to the popular vote. Isn't the popular vote how ALL other things are decided?
Finally, someone who is pointing out what Trump is actually doing, rather than feeding into hysteria. He is simply putting it out there as a states rights issue. The way our system should work is for it to make its way through our system of government with its checks and balances from the states to the federal level, rather than operate as a matter of "presidential decree" from the top down. This is how the power is channeled from the people. The problem I've had with previous administrations, and now Trump, is that they both have bypassed the system by an overuse of executive orders.
As for our schools, bullying shouldn't be tolerated at all. If there's a danger of assault of any kind to anybody in our schools, and too many of us know firsthand that there has always been, that speaks to a deeper, bigger problem than transgender rights, that we have failed to address for generations.
As to the bathroom situation in general, I as a female do not feel comfortable knowing any man could come into the restroom at any time while my daughter and I are in there. However, because it's been going on for decades, I did always assume it has always been legal, just unconventional. To some degree women, are already used to teenaged boys and younger coming into the ladies room with their moms, sisters, and female friends. I've also seen men in dresses in the ladies room before. I know that some women even barge into the men's room if the line to the ladies room is too long. So apparently it was not an issue until fairly recently.
And I don't fear transgendered people and don't mind sharing a bathroom with a transgendered woman. I feel for them and the dilemmas they face. I just wonder what's the best way to protect us all? How would a trans woman feel using the ladies room with me, knowing a man could come in there and harass her and his being there would be legal if he just says he's transgendered when reported? Or if he need not make claims at all, because it's fully legal for all men and women to hang out in each other's restrooms. Maybe she was born a man but she's a woman in mind and lifestyle and possibly even body to a full or partial degree. How do we protect both her comfort and safety and mine?
This. The idea that you should use a bathroom based on the gender you think you are vs. the gender you actually are is the very definition of a mental disorder. These children need help, not bathroom choice. When you're an adult and out of school, do what you want. You're on your own.
Does Apple provide public statements from its senior staff, employees and international staff that may have differing views that support the current administration and policies without fearing of loss of employment, promotion and advancement?
I certainly hope so and that Apple is not shaming staff into silence, demoting staff or withholding advancement of employees that disagree with some of the leadership of Apple.
Just as there are two sides to a coin, there are two sides to an argument and others must be allowed to be fully heard to let the heater make an informative decision based on facts, faith and culture.
Apple has not become successful primarily because of its leadership alone but also successful because of the millions of little guy working long hours because they take pride in their work as well as providing for their family producing a high quality product that the world has confidence in purchasing.
As Apple expands its manufacturing internationally it would be interesting to see the collective views on issues that Mr. Cook is championing.
Example: What are the views on this current issue being discussed from Apple's Christian, Roman Catholic, Muslim, Mormon and other practicing faith employees?
What are the views on this issue from the employees from countries like China, India, Turkey, Russia besides Western nations?
Some of Apple's senior staff may be surprised to hear that not all employees agree with them, and may disagree sharply and are offended when they are portrayed to the public as if they are all in union and agreement with Mr. Cook.
And of course we haven't even surveyed Apple's purchasing public and businesses.
Just because the public buys their products doesn't mean a vote of support of their social ideology.
Many religious organizations who have sharp disagreement with Apple still purchase their equipment because they know that competing products are of lesser quality, limited security or complexity of use.
Thank you MacRumors for allowing all the differing views on various issues without deleting or blocking posts, deleting accounts or shaming forum members who have carefully informed opinions.
I certainly hope so and that Apple is not shaming staff into silence, demoting staff or withholding advancement of employees that disagree with some of the leadership of Apple.
Just as there are two sides to a coin, there are two sides to an argument and others must be allowed to be fully heard to let the heater make an informative decision based on facts, faith and culture.
Apple has not become successful primarily because of its leadership alone but also successful because of the millions of little guy working long hours because they take pride in their work as well as providing for their family producing a high quality product that the world has confidence in purchasing.
As Apple expands its manufacturing internationally it would be interesting to see the collective views on issues that Mr. Cook is championing.
Example: What are the views on this current issue being discussed from Apple's Christian, Roman Catholic, Muslim, Mormon and other practicing faith employees?
What are the views on this issue from the employees from countries like China, India, Turkey, Russia besides Western nations?
Some of Apple's senior staff may be surprised to hear that not all employees agree with them, and may disagree sharply and are offended when they are portrayed to the public as if they are all in union and agreement with Mr. Cook.
And of course we haven't even surveyed Apple's purchasing public and businesses.
Just because the public buys their products doesn't mean a vote of support of their social ideology.
Many religious organizations who have sharp disagreement with Apple still purchase their equipment because they know that competing products are of lesser quality, limited security or complexity of use.
Thank you MacRumors for allowing all the differing views on various issues without deleting or blocking posts, deleting accounts or shaming forum members who have carefully informed opinions.
If a woman yelps with horror after some hairy guy in lipstick invades the ladies' bathroom is she to be charged with a hate crime by the thought police?
And what if some guy isn't even making much of an effort to even look female, such as the student that invaded the girls locker room at a college campus recently, can women have no right to say no without the gestapo hauling them before some kangaroo court?
Some of the most famous feminists in the world are now being no-platformed by snowflakes because they refuse to engage in this la la land nonsense where people can delusionally 'identify' as any thing they want. People get surgery to look like the cats they want to be. Can they book themselves into a cattery?
Most transexuals do not actually have 'gender dysphoria' where they believe they are literally trapped in the wrong body but merely 'want to be a woman/man', often as some sort of sexual fetish, hence many and up in sex work. There should be onus on the majority of the population to indulge every delusion the PC gestapo tell us is really, really important.
And what if some guy isn't even making much of an effort to even look female, such as the student that invaded the girls locker room at a college campus recently, can women have no right to say no without the gestapo hauling them before some kangaroo court?
Some of the most famous feminists in the world are now being no-platformed by snowflakes because they refuse to engage in this la la land nonsense where people can delusionally 'identify' as any thing they want. People get surgery to look like the cats they want to be. Can they book themselves into a cattery?
Most transexuals do not actually have 'gender dysphoria' where they believe they are literally trapped in the wrong body but merely 'want to be a woman/man', often as some sort of sexual fetish, hence many and up in sex work. There should be onus on the majority of the population to indulge every delusion the PC gestapo tell us is really, really important.
(Sorry to pick on your post Toaster, I saw more than one person stating this same narrative)
This talking point (he basically won on a technicality) needs to stop. He won on the well established and clearly understood system of election in the United States. He won by the only count that matters and both campaigns knew that intimately; in fact campaign strategies are built entirely around the concept of electors and funds allocated according to state based polling. There were stories for months prior to the election about the possibility of a split popular/electoral result. No candidate or campaign official that evening came to any shocking realization that the winner need not obtain the largest number of aggregate votes nationwide. Statements like this are purposely misleading and to anyone knowledgeable of the process sounds like childish sour grapes. Election 2016 is over, we have a winner, time to focus on the present and future.
(no, I didn't vote for him)
Having been in both bathrooms (I used to be a busboy at a restaurant, and that was one of the doodies (ok, duties)...)
What I'd love to see is:
1. Women's public restrooms made larger. Much larger. At any public event, there is always a line for women, and the men's line is much shorter and faster. The fact is that stalls need more room than urinals, and the time to use them is longer. I wish building owners would figure that out.
2. Build a 3rd restroom, like the family restrooms. Anyone that doesn't want to use the men's or women's rooms can just use that one without issue.
3. People just go into the bathroom, do their business, then leave, emotionally and physically unscarred.
What I'd love to see is:
1. Women's public restrooms made larger. Much larger. At any public event, there is always a line for women, and the men's line is much shorter and faster. The fact is that stalls need more room than urinals, and the time to use them is longer. I wish building owners would figure that out.
2. Build a 3rd restroom, like the family restrooms. Anyone that doesn't want to use the men's or women's rooms can just use that one without issue.
3. People just go into the bathroom, do their business, then leave, emotionally and physically unscarred.