Apple Speaks Out Against Trump Order to Rescind Protections for Transgender Students

[cardfan]

If a woman yelps with horror after some hairy guy in lipstick invades the ladies' bathroom is she to be charged with a hate crime by the thought police?

And what if some guy isn't even making much of an effort to even look female, such as the student that invaded the girls locker room at a college campus recently, can women have no right to say no without the gestapo hauling them before some kangaroo court?

Some of the most famous feminists in the world are now being no-platformed by snowflakes because they refuse to engage in this la la land nonsense where people can delusionally 'identify' as any thing they want. People get surgery to look like the cats they want to be. Can they book themselves into a cattery?

Most transexuals do not actually have 'gender dysphoria' where they believe they are literally trapped in the wrong body but merely 'want to be a woman/man', often as some sort of sexual fetish, hence many and up in sex work. There should be onus on the majority of the population to indulge every delusion the PC gestapo tell us is really, really important.

Yep, if you're not fine with some guy walking into the same bathroom as your wife and daughter, then you sir are a bigot. You're to be despised. A racist even.

Tim Cook would say screw you and any rights you think you have. Accommodating some freak show should always come first. They deserve special rights. That poor boy who wants to play on the girl's team? You better let him..he has special rights. Never mind how it affects the actual girls on the team or tramples on their rights.

 

[brianvictor7]

"Apple believes everyone deserves a chance to thrive in an environment free from stigma and discrimination."

Except, of course, for those who stigmatize and practice discrimination. It's okay to stigmatize and discriminate against those people. Which has no logical issues whatsoever.

Sorry, but Apple is using bad logic here.

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

I am sure that Apple Park will have no gender specific restrooms. It'll be like Ally McBeal.

The next front on the poopy-wars will be for claustrophobes, and we'll just have mandated toilets with no walls around them in public places, because someone in Franksnout, Iowa is offended.

 

[5105973]

Does Apple provide public statements from its senior staff, employees and international staff that may have differing views that support the current administration and policies without fearing of loss of employment, promotion and advancement?

I certainly hope so and that Apple is not shaming staff into silence, demoting staff or withholding advancement of employees that disagree with some of the leadership of Apple.
Just as there are two sides to a coin, there are two sides to an argument and others must be allowed to be fully heard to let the heater make an informative decision based on facts, faith and culture.
Apple has not become successful primarily because of its leadership alone but also successful because of the millions of little guy working long hours because they take pride in their work as well as providing for their family producing a high quality product that the world has confidence in purchasing.

As Apple expands its manufacturing internationally it would be interesting to see the collective views on issues that Mr. Cook is championing.

Example: What are the views on this current issue being discussed from Apple's Christian, Roman Catholic, Muslim, Mormon and other practicing faith employees?

What are the views on this issue from the employees from countries like China, India, Turkey, Russia besides Western nations?

Some of Apple's senior staff may be surprised to hear that not all employees agree with them, and may disagree sharply and are offended when they are portrayed to the public as if they are all in union and agreement with Mr. Cook.

And of course we haven't even surveyed Apple's purchasing public and businesses.
Just because the public buys their products doesn't mean a vote of support of their social ideology.
Many religious organizations who have sharp disagreement with Apple still purchase their equipment because they know that competing products are of lesser quality, limited security or complexity of use.

Thank you MacRumors for allowing all the differing views on various issues without deleting or blocking posts, deleting accounts or shaming forum members who have carefully informed opinions.

I'm all for Tim Cook representing his own views. He does so eloquently and thoughtfully. It's important for that LGBT community to have such a successful, prominent and influential person speaking up for their causes.

I do think it's problematic, however, when he speaks for such social causes as the head of Apple, especially with Apple business immersed in so many diverse cultures that hold values and laws at complete odds with Tim Cook's personal values.

It's easier for Apple to be linked to environmental issues and causes, which they directly effect and can mitigate. Social causes are more complex, nuanced, and something they can usually only shape indirectly.

On the other hand, I suppose people going to work for Apple or Chik-Fil-a or buying their wares know by now what they're buying into.

 

[62tele]

It's laughable we have whiners complaining about Apple's political and social positions. Corporations influence political and social issues frequently. I think the NBA recently played their All-Star game in New Orleans instead of Charlotte because the NC "bathroom law". I think Campbell's Soup made an ad featuring two gay parents feeding their child.
Citizens United (a disgusting ruling) says that corporations are "people". So, like Trump not paying any taxes because it was legal, it's legal and appropriate for Apple to speak out.
Let's see, Energy companies buy off legislators to promote their own self interest as do bankers and financial institutions. Funny how Clinton was disparaged for her Wall Street ties but congress and Trump are now going to undo much of the legislation that allows them to do what they please.
It's same people who complain that the Pope should shut his pie hole about social justice, economics, climate change, war but have no objection is Franklin Graham or any of the Christian Right leaders voice their views about social issues while remaining silent on discrimination, racism, xenophobia and poverty.

 

[jonnyb]

Most transexuals do not actually have 'gender dysphoria' where they believe they are literally trapped in the wrong body but merely 'want to be a woman/man', often as some sort of sexual fetish, hence many and up in sex work.

Citation missing

 

[69650]

Tim Cook should stop using Apple to promote his own personal beliefs. Apple is a business not a campaign group.

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

I would be for using just the popular vote moving forward, but he won fairly under the current system. It's not the first time a president lost the popular vote and got elected, it's happened with other presidents even before Gore.

I wouldn't.

There were population centers in 1803/4 when the 12th Amendment was ratified, and a lot of the Founders were still around. Living in a state where I don't agree with about 60% around me, I like the current system. Among the corrections I'd like to see, moving forward, are:
1. Repeal of the 17th Amendment. We already have a House of Representatives. We don't need two. The States need representation in the national legislature.
2. Positive verification of voters, with a provisional ballot system. In fact, a balloting system, where you get a receipt when you vote, and you can, with a code on the ballot and a PIN you select, where you can verify your electronic vote. My lack of trust in an electronic ballot system is less now than before the last election.

 

[Snoopy4]

Popular vote means nothing? Since you use the State of California as an example, how it is fair that EVERY REPUBLICAN VOTE for Trump in California was for nothing. Didn't count. Every Republican might as well had stayed home on voting day. How is that fair? How is the Electoral College fair? Most states are "all-or-nothing". States like California basically always vote Democrat. If I were a Republican in California, I'd not waste my time even voting.

I don't give a rats ass if that's the way it's always been. Many things have always been one way and were changed. It's time the EC is changed or we change to the popular vote. Isn't the popular vote how ALL other things are decided?

Popular vote means nothing. Bill Clinton never received a majority vote for President. The closest he got was 49.2% when he was re-elected. On his first election he won with 43% of the popular vote. So in both elections, the majority of voters wanted someone else. The system works as it should. You may not like the outcome, but don't pretend you've been slighted by it.

 

[avanpelt]

Popular vote means nothing? Since you use the State of California as an example, how it is fair that EVERY REPUBLICAN VOTE for Trump in California was for nothing. Didn't count. Every Republican might as well had stayed home on voting day. How is that fair? How is the Electoral College fair? Most states are "all-or-nothing". States like California basically always vote Democrat. If I were a Republican in California, I'd not waste my time even voting.

I don't give a rats ass if that's the way it's always been. Many things have always been one way and were changed. It's time the EC is changed or we change to the popular vote. Isn't the popular vote how ALL other things are decided?

One of the main reasons the EC system was created was to prevent a scenario where, let's say, 80% of eligible voters in population centers like NYC, Chicago, and LA could show up to vote and they could completely override the other 95% of voters in the country because of the sheer amount of voters in those population centers.

Politicians would only spend time campaigning in major cities if the system worked the way you think it should. As the system works now, the election could hinge on a "flyover" state just as easily as it could a more populous state. Our current system gives every state the potential to decide the final outcome of an election. That's the beauty of it.

 

[unobtainium]

Shareholders and consumers that just want a decent Mac may disagree.

Yeah I'm sure AAPL shareholders are so unhappy right now.

 

[5105973]

Having been in both bathrooms (I used to be a busboy at a restaurant, and that was one of the doodies (ok, duties)...)

What I'd love to see is:
1. Women's public restrooms made larger. Much larger. At any public event, there is always a line for women, and the men's line is much shorter and faster. The fact is that stalls need more room than urinals, and the time to use them is longer. I wish building owners would figure that out.
2. Build a 3rd restroom, like the family restrooms. Anyone that doesn't want to use the men's or women's rooms can just use that one without issue.
3. People just go into the bathroom, do their business, then leave, emotionally and physically unscarred.

Actually as someone who has done bathroom cleanup duty, you probably know the ugly secret we women are stuck with long restroom lines is that invariably some idiot takes a stall out of commission by trying to flush her #%# sanitary products down the toilet instead of using the trash receptacles provided for such a purpose.

Why men would want to venture into a mess like that escapes my reckoning.

I do know realistically that no law will keep predators out of any restroom they choose to target. Which is why most women visit the ladies room in groups if possible. I think most women, born as such or transgendered, just want someplace to do their business free of general harassment and garden variety voyeurism.

 

[1applerules1]

I agree with trump on this one.

 

[George Dawes]

Hopefully we'll get a new ceo along with a new hq soon

Sick to death of cook's hypocritical pontifications

 

[mw360]

What the heck goes on in America washrooms that makes this an issue? In my culture, you go into the room, lock yourself in a stall, do some non-sexy stuff, exit the stall, wash hands and go. What's to be so scared about? It's ridiculous. The number of American young men, who'd be willing to spend their whole life as a girl, clothes, make-up, driving license and everything, just to be able to listen to girls poop, has got to be very, very small. Even in America with all those scary immigrants.

 

[arkitect]

I do know realistically that no law will keep predators out of any restroom they choose to target. Which is why most women visit the ladies room in groups if possible.

Not to be glib and make light of your point, but I have always wondered why women "go together".
I always assumed it was to go and gossip! Live and learn…

 

[unobtainium]

One of the main reasons the EC system was created was to prevent a scenario where, let's say, 80% of eligible voters in population centers like NYC, Chicago, and LA could show up to vote and they could completely override the other 95% of voters in the country because of the sheer amount of voters in those population centers.

Politicians would only spend time campaigning in major cities if the system worked the way you think it should. As the system works now, the election could hinge on a "flyover" state just as easily as it could a more populous state. Our current system gives every state the potential to decide the final outcome of an election. That's the beauty of it.

Nope. Nobody at that time ever imagined a scenario where the urban and coastal populations would so dramatically dwarf the rural population. They created the EC in order to reassure the slave-owning South.

At this point, the EC is taxation without representation.

 

[inhalexhale1]

Words are cheap though, apple is the first to say the right things and the last to fund any initiatives. What does apple actually support via funding? No need to answer that . Have you ever heard Tim Cook telling the Chinese politicians about equality? That is what I don't like....

Well said. Apple and Tim LOVE to play the part of SJW and pat themselves on the back for it all the while for it. But sweep all that human rights stuff under the rug when it comes to what they actually do.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I believe in this .....

 

[unobtainium]

"Apple believes everyone deserves a chance to thrive in an environment free from stigma and discrimination."

Except, of course, for those who stigmatize and practice discrimination. It's okay to stigmatize and discriminate against those people. Which has no logical issues whatsoever.

Sorry, but Apple is using bad logic here.

Do you honestly not see the logical difference? It's pretty obvious, or should be.

Discrimination that hurts people who are just trying to go about their lives is bad.

Discrimination against behaviors and people that seek to harm other people is good.

 

[Thunderhawks]

I believe in this .....

How about an extra "neutral" bathroom like they have for families with baby changing stations?

Problem solved. NEXT!

 

[Ethosik]

Really? Everyone is getting all worked up over where someone is allowed to pee? Apple wants to establish themselves as an authority on where people want to drop a deuce?

Most stores I visit seem to have a "family" restroom where anyone can stroll in and lock the door behind themselves - then stand, sit, or turn handsprings while they do their business in private. I, for one, require my children to use said restroom as it guarantees their privacy.

Apple - Tim Cook, really - ought to focus on why my year-old iPhone screen is losing its sense of touch. Apple should concern itself as to why it has the most expensive TV device with an infuriating interface. Tim Cook should spend less time worrying and making "brave" statements about how I choose to go whiz, and focus on why my "current" Mac Pro is halfway to being considered "obselete" by Apple itself.

How I do my "business" is none of Apple's business. However, how Apple does business is certainly my business as a shareholder.

Um. They are. That is why there are team managers and directors. A CEO cannot do EVERY SINGLE THING in a company. It is too much for one person. That is why managers and directors exist.

 

[unobtainium]

especially with Apple business immersed in so many diverse cultures that hold values and laws at complete odds with Tim Cook's personal values.

Such a cynical view. Who cares about "values and laws" that are discriminatory? Sometimes you have to have principles.

 

[inhalexhale1]

That's not true at all. But thanks for playing.

No, it's not the same. But if you can't be bothered to go vote, then your complaining about who was elected is foolish.

 

[LordQ]

Wow, US chaps are really something else with their 200+ gender disorders and getting offended by everything...