Wrong.
There are only five elections in US history where the winner lost the popular vote. Bill Clinton wasn't one of them. You can look these things up, you know.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni...ons_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote
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Apple Speaks Out Against Trump Order to Rescind Protections for Transgender Students
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There are only five elections in US history where the winner lost the popular vote. Bill Clinton wasn't one of them. You can look these things up, you know.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni...ons_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote
Would you be calling for the EC to be abolished if Hillary won the EC vote and Trump won the popular vote? If you wouldn't have, then you're only up in arms about the EC now because your candidate didn't win the EC vote. If that's the case, get over it and set your sights on the 2018 and 2020 elections.
On this issue, I only take people seriously when they call for the EC to be abolished AND their candidate won the EC vote in the most recent election. To date, I have not met a single person who is calling for the EC to be abolished that voted for Trump.
Most (if not all) of the recent chatter about abolishing the EC is coming from people who voted for Hillary (or sat out the election but would've voted for Hillary if they did vote) who thought she had the election all wrapped up and they are still in complete shock and disbelief that she is not the President.
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Clearly one candidate was campaigning to win while the other was just interested in the popular vote. Guess the battle plan was better for one versus the other.
So the economy will collapse and Apple will be out of business if a dude cant go into a lady's restroom?
That won't work in NC. The law (as I understand it) there is that if you were born with a Penis but now have a Vagina you MUST by LAW go into the one marker PENIS.I believe in this .....
That is just not right. My partner got hers removed almost 20 years ago. The last thing I want is for her to have to use a male restroom. She could use it and get assaulted (or worse) or not use it and after arrest get sent to a MALE facility.
What are her chances of getting out of there alive eh?
See, it is not simple. That is why we won't be visiting her kin in Nebraska for the forseeable future.
(Due to the large volume of posts in this thread I'll pick out this one post to respond to as representative of a particular misguided viewpoint)
You're quite ignorant on this issue. I'd suggest speaking with some actual trans people rather than forming your opinions off of some stereotype. Most trans people I know prefer to present as close to their identity as possible so no, not a lot of "hairy guys in lipstick." You've likely already had a trans-man (yes, I'm going to assume your gender, I'm not the kind of person who finds offense when people do) share a bathroom with you and haven't even been aware.
More importantly though, what is the fear of having trans people in a bathroom other than their birth certificate would dictate? From what I've seen of the debate it seems to break down into three areas:
1) non-trans individuals will abuse it
2) there could be sexual misconduct
3) think of the children
Number one I can sympathize with. Some jerk using the law as cover to do things that jerks do (harass people in various ways). Unfortunately there are plenty of examples of that across the legal landscape and I don't see it as a significant enough issue to warrant putting a halt to these efforts altogether. Someone misusing the situation in an abusive way (e.g. other than a woman using the men's room due to the line being too long in the woman's room) would inevitably be breaking some other law (e.g. disturbing the peace) and chargeable regardless.
Number two is just FUD. Gender identity and sexual preference aren't linked. I don't have stats but anecdotally most of the trans people I know are primarily attracted to the opposite gender of which they identify. So a trans-woman using the women's restroom likely has no sexual attraction to the women there. Further, we don't gate access to restrooms today based upon sexual preference, i.e. we already have gay men in men's rooms and lesbians in women's rooms and (thankfully mostly) don't have an objection to it.
And to number three, I can understand parents being uncomfortable explaining sexuality to children but we have stalls and you're just not very likely to have anything extra to explain. If you fear pedophilia then you should already be freaking out as pedophiles are not banned from using public restrooms today. If you somehow think that pedophilia exists at higher rates in the trans community than elsewhere then please cite your study.
Finally, as to your comment about trans people mostly just acting out a fetish, I assume that's due to your own anecdotal experience otherwise cite a study.
You understand why the EC is important yes? If not for EC then a few heavily populated states would ALWAYS determine the elections. (California, NY, etc). No matter which side they represent they would always determine who is elected and the rest of the country would not have a say.
Three states? Maybe you need to take another look at the election map. Pretty sure there were more than three states he won.
The electoral college is not a technicality. It's how all presidential elections work and both sides knew that EC votes were needed to win.
Ignore? Are you kidding? Did you see the lines wrapped around city blocks to attend his rallies? The stadiums overflowing with supporters while Hillary couldn't pack a high school gym? Democrats did this to themselves and we only have the Clinton lovers to blame. They were so focused on the first woman president, never mind her decades of moral and policy failures. The party elites lined up to reward the Clintons. After all, the Clintons had been stacking the deck for years so that Hillary could one day be corronated. As much as I loathe Trump, I'm glad the Clintons failed. They are horrible.
Meaningless. Trump won fair and square. Our system has never been based on popular vote.
I do not accept racists, I do not accept homophobes, I do not accept people trying to take rights away from other people. If your religion tells you to hate or beat up or kill or fire or imprision or fire or abandon a child then you need a new religion. You can't hide hatred under the banner of religion and wash your hands of the horrors committed under it.
I agree. Apple is correct to comment on issues like this or any other for that matter. They're arguably the biggest and most influential company in the world not to mention an American one at that.
I would say it is likely just a medical condition.
Look up Gender Dysphoria (actual medical condition).
It's similar to having a Delusional Disorder (where people think things that are not objectively true - like believing they are a famous person, etc.).
As a society we are now so crazy that we cater to that craziness. No one dares challenge crazy behavior.
The question is, are we, as a society, really helping that person by catering to a disorder. My feeling is when reality becomes anything you want, that society is on the verge of collapse.
Look up Gender Dysphoria (actual medical condition).
It's similar to having a Delusional Disorder (where people think things that are not objectively true - like believing they are a famous person, etc.).
As a society we are now so crazy that we cater to that craziness. No one dares challenge crazy behavior.
The question is, are we, as a society, really helping that person by catering to a disorder. My feeling is when reality becomes anything you want, that society is on the verge of collapse.
Actually I am a Democrat and skew liberal for civil rights. Nice try, but the reason I favor states rights is that I think the changes are more enduring and powerful coming from the people. As we are seeing now with Trump rolling back pretty much everything President Obama put into place, is that executive orders are a bandaid. Like bandaids they fall off after awhile.
Why are liberals and Democrats not seeing this? Why are we freaking out that Trump (who I most definitely did NOT vote for) is acting like King of the hill, but it was okay when President Obama (whom I DID vote for) regulated by executive order and NOT by respecting our time honored system of government. President Obama was doing some wonderful humanitarian things but I knew they were not going to last, except for the few things that the executive branch has always overseen that our legislative and judicial branches normally do not. They aren't meant to. That's not how our government works at its best.
We either believe in our system of government and let it take its course or we succumb to a top-down system prone to tyranny. Yes, it is slow, but when it comes of the people, by the people and for the people bit by painful bit, it will endure. I don't want to live in a country where any president can rule by a constant stream of decrees. Which is what Trump is trying to do most of the rest of the time.
It is refreshing that this time he's actually doing what a president is supposed to, and ceding the power back to the people and to our system. In due time it will become a legitimate federal matter and have the backing of the people to confer more enduring protections for the people as previous civil rights causes have done. It won't be just a presidential whim that can be undone by another president.
Welcome to fact free America. It starts from the top in Washington and is literally the new norm.
So if you are born with a penis you are not a man? What planet are you on?
Technicality? Do you know how presidential elections work? Trump won fair and square. Our system has never been based on popular vote. Hillary didn't focus on the right states.
This is exactly it. Well stated
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It's just amazing the ignorance by so called "intelligent" people in this country. I blame the media of course.
We are a democratic republic - not a true democracy. The smaller states would have never joined the union if popular vote is how things would be decided. Places like Rhode Island and Connecticut would never out-vote what New York wanted. This is how the EC came to be, and why the smaller states agreed to join.
There is also the issue of states rights, which has changed over time. A state used to have the ability to have an established religion - this is why the federal govt. could not establish one - it would be trampling on states rights - that has now been turned on its head along with a bunch of other things. (not saying this to bring up a religion, just pointing out how things have changed).
I'm not saying the EC is perfect, but I know "majority rules" never goes down the road people think it will when you look at history. When 51% decides what 100% get to do, bad things happen.
For all of those complaining about Trump not winning the popular vote, go look up how many times Hillary visited the mid-west / rust belt and that will tell you why she lost the election.
Yes, Trump rebuilt the stock market from epically low 2008 levels in just a matter of days. He's incredible at this Presidenting thing! Obama on the other hand crashed everything just a few days into his first term!
I takes years of policies and turning the ship slowly to build a stock market to record highs or crash it to record lows. Big buisinesses love Trump right now because he's undoing all of the regulations that they so desperatey hate. Will they love him if he destroys the trade agreements that fuel their businesses? Let's give it a few years and see where we're at.
3 million illegals in California.
Thank you for getting it. How the HELL did we end up here as a society? men who feel they are women and vice-versa? HUH? What? How the fu.....? Whats next? How do we prove or know its not being faked to gain an advantage of some sort of to act out some sexual fantasy? We dont and cant. Just great.
I cannot believe the apologists in this thread defending this goofy crap. Its like REALLY?