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Apple Speaks Out Against Trump Order to Rescind Protections for Transgender Students

robbyx said:
Meaningless. Trump won fair and square. Our system has never been based on popular vote.
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It's not meaningless at all. In fact it's very significant. The winner of the popular vote has only lost 5 times in US history. The fact that it's happening more often lately is a sign that: 1) Our country is deeply divided; 2) Our democracy is in danger.

For how long do you imagine that NY, California, Illinois, etc.--the most populous and economically productive states in the union--will stand by while their votes are devalued? It's not sustainable.
 
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Like Obama said elections have consequences and the libs lost.

I am sick and tired of Apple and Cook speaking out on everything Trump does.

Time to start buying from a different company.
 
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unobtainium said:
It's not meaningless at all. In fact it's very, very significant.

The winner of the popular vote has only lost 5 times in US history. The fact that it's happening relatively frequently now (the last was George W. Bush) is a sign of two things: 1) Our country is deeply divided politically; 2) Our democracy is in danger.

For how long do you imagine that NYC, California, etc.--the most populous and economically productive states in the union--will stand by while their votes are devalued? It's not sustainable.
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How are their votes devalued? Those states were awarded to HILLARY, she WON them end of story.

Why should THOSE NY and CA votes trump others?

I can't believe people are STILL arguing over the electoral college. It's the best system.
 
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Mtmspa said:
Like Obama said elections have consequences and the libs lost.

I am sick and tired of Apple and Cook speaking out on everything Trump does.

Time to start buying from a different company.
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Cook is an American and has every right to speak out against ignorance especially if it hurts his employees. If you don't like his opinion, too bad. Snowflaking works both ways.
 
dannyyankou said:
I would be for using just the popular vote moving forward, but he won fairly under the current system. It's not the first time a president lost the popular vote and got elected, it's happened with other presidents even before Gore.
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Never going to happen. If that was the case CA and New York would just ABOUT elect every president ever from then on.
Go figure those are both very much liberal places.
 
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Another example of everyone up in arms about the silliest of issues when the world has so many greater problems to worry about rather than what door t use to go to the bathroom.

Trump simply stated his consistent message on this that he made all along, this will not be done at the federal level, he will leave it up to individual states to decide. Oh the horror.
 
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magicschoolbus said:
For all of those complaining about Trump not winning the popular vote, go look up how many times Hillary visited the mid-west / rust belt and that will tell you why she lost the election.
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I think there's a misunderstanding about why a few people have quoted the data from the popular vote. The point is not to say that Trump was elected illegitimately or complain about the system. I understand how the system works and why he won. I am not challenging any of that.

What I am challenging is the false narrative that "everyone in America wanted this guy." Regardless of the side you're on, surely we can agree that at least 50% of voters did not vote for him, right? It is a simple data point. I see no reason why that's a debate.
 
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Boston007 said:
How are their votes devalued? Those states were awarded to HILLARY, she WON them end of story.

Why should THOSE NY and CA votes trump others?

I can't believe people are STILL arguing over the electoral college. It's the best system.
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How does it beat a simple one person one vote system? Everyone votes, person with most votes wins. The US presidential vote is as weird as our constituency based voting in the UK
 
Proof the TC needs to go.
The new administration is returning bathroom rights to the states and local government, in lieu of an illegal federal bathroom directive. It's now up to local governments to decide what they want to do about dicks in girls' bathrooms.

Apparently TC isn't happy with that and wants a dictator telling everyone how a bathroom should be used across the entire country so long as it agrees with his view.

Wow.
 
dannyyankou said:
Glad trump is focusing on the important issues :rolleyes:

At the same time I'm getting a little tired of Apple giving their input on issues like this.
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Uninformed comment.

Even the White House said it wasn't a top priority but due to the timing of court cases something had to be done ASAP, meaning it was urgent.

The move was procedural, because the Obama rule was already enjoined, and it faced lawsuits by women's rights groups against gay rights groups. Maybe that's a battle you wanted to play out?
 
magicschoolbus said:
Thats fine - So then how do you feel about Islam?
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I feel the same about all religions. One cannot use religion as an excuse for hate. If you want to peacefully practice your religion and not infringe or deny my rights then I have no issue with you. Didn't the pope say catholics needed to make amends to the atrocities committed against the LGBT community - This is not making amends. your point is what?
 
martint235 said:
How does it beat a simple one person one vote system? Everyone votes, person with most votes wins. The US presidential vote is as weird as our constituency based voting in the UK
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Go read up on the Electoral College system.

The Founding Founders didn't want 1 segment of the country to the ones to decide the Presidency. It makes a HUGE difference.
 
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Mtmspa said:
3 million illegals in California.
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And yet there been no actual evidence provided that corroborates the narrative.

People love to say, "Trump won fair and square, just accept it", but he himself has not accepted it. He's the one pushing the voter fraud narrative. Why does he get a pass on making this an issue, but people responding to it are labeled complainers?

When there's actual data/facts/evidence then we can talk about it. Right now it is all just words being thrown around. I'd rather he govern than worry about the margin of victory.
 
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Boston007 said:
How are their votes devalued? Those states were awarded to HILLARY, she WON them end of story.

Why should THOSE NY and CA votes trump others?

I can't believe people are STILL arguing over the electoral college. It's the best system.
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The electoral college devalued basically everyone. If you voted for Trump in NY or California, your vote didn't matter. No Elector represented you. You merely wasted your time. Not to mention many states with very little population than others get more say in the country, which doesn't make any sense. Everyone's vote should count regardless.
 
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Thank you for getting it. How the HELL did we end up here as a society? men who feel they are women and vice-versa? HUH? What? How the fu.....? Whats next? How do we prove or know its not being faked to gain an advantage of some sort of to act out some sexual fantasy? We dont and cant. Just great.

I cannot believe the apologists in this thread defending this goofy crap. Its like REALLY?
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What's even worse -- we've ended up at the point where young children who think they're actually the opposite gender are celebrated and showcased on television.

Reality TV sucks. The whole premise behind the vast majority of reality TV is to take people that have bonafide psychological and physiological disorders and shove a camera in their face and pay them. The TV execs are all for this, of course, because they see an opportunity to make more money for their networks and themselves by "giving the people what they want". It's disgusting.
 
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shk718 said:
I feel the same about all religions. One cannot use religion as an excuse for hate. If you want to peacefully practice your religion and not infringe or deny my rights then I have no issue with you. Didn't the pope say catholics needed to make amends to the atrocities committed against the LGBT community - This is not making amends. your point is what?
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And Islam is so welcoming to the LGBT community?

You are proving his point, hilarious.

My God the hypocrisy is astounding.

This forum will be shutdown within an hour I foresee
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TMRJIJ said:
The electoral college devalued basically everyone. If you voted for Trump in NY or California, your vote didn't matter. No Elector represented you. You merely wasted your time. Not to mention many states with very little population than others get more say in the country, which doesn't make any sense. Everyone's vote should count regardless.
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BS!!!!

Those states Hillary won!

Devalued, hilarious
 
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The headline is ridiculous. The Obama administration took a local issue (how do we help this child use a bathroom privately without exposing them to trouble and making careful arrangements) and clumsily nationalized it.
 
As a man born as a man, I just don't know what so many of you are afraid of really. I think forcing people who identify as one gender to behave as another is cruel. So it should stop. Personally, and without a lot of reading on the subject (so anyone with more knowledge on the subject please feel to educate me and possibly(?!) others here), I think it is a medical, biological matter, where your gender is determined by genes, and your external organs are determined by genes, and they usually match up in a certain way, but sometimes they don't. A little like the popular vote and the electoral college usually match up, but sometimes don't! I guess that makes Trump 'trans-elected' :eek::D

I am glad Apple have taken a position on this, as is their right to, and to some degree their responsibility to. I don't agree with the notion that any company should be exclusively concerned with financial issues and whatever products or services their business sells. We are all emotional, living breathing human beings, and companies are made of people, and impact people. The bigger the company, the larger the social responsibility. And the odd press release here and there really isn't diverting them from making products anyway.
 
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DougFNJ said:
Trump simply stated his consistent message on this that he made all along, this will not be done at the federal level, he will leave it up to individual states to decide. Oh the horror.
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Can we agree that when a politician of any party says that they're going to leave important issues to the state to decide that it is generally their way of punting? They either don't want to deal with the issue, want to transfer the weight of making the decision to the states, or are using it as a convenient excuse to defend what is generally indefensible.

Do we honestly believe that human rights issues shouldn't be ruled on at the highest levels of government? We seem fairly keen to have other issues like abortion decided by the Supreme Court, but transgender rights are a state isssue?

Let's not argue our opinions on the issue for a moment and agree that punting to states is not the appropriate corse of action here.
 
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