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Today's MDN Take:

Verizon's wiseassery is going to backfire. The general public was unaware that Verizon's network was incapable of allowing simultaneous voice and data communication; now, with Apple in the equation, everyone and their mother will soon know.

Spot on.

Puts a whole new spin on "Can you hear me now?" doesn't it. ;)
 
Verizon's Entire Network on Island of Misfit Toys

Apple and AT&T have just started to tell the rest of the world what only a few techies knew: Verizon can not support simultaneous voice and data. OUCH.

I use this feature all the time. Imagine if Apple went with Verizon? How pitiful would the iPhone be? For many business users, like myself, having voice and data access at the same time is essential to our jobs. I can dial into conference calls AND share data/presentations at the same time (check out Cisco's WEBEX App).

No wonder AT&T has the most smart phones.
 
You know what else? You can still use EDGE speeds when you're outside of a 3G area. What happens when you're outside of a Verizon 3G area? You get NOTHING.

no, you get CDMA 1x coverage (about ISDN speeds, but it works)

Just because Verizon has 3G out in the middle of nowhere (where nobody is trying to use cell phones), doesn't mean Verizon is better. AT&T has 3G coverage where it matters and EDGE coverage everywhere else.

3G/2G argument aside, Verizon still has quantifiably better coverage overall. BUT, that doesn't mean they have better coverage in all areas, and it's up to people to decide for themselves which carrier has the coverage they need in their given region.

Which is why I'm really sick and tired of these coverage arguments. We all live in different areas, and with different lifestyles (it also depends on how mobile you are, and if the coverage is tight enough to ensure no dropped calls when on the move). Ignore the stupid commercials, do your research, be a smart consumer, make a choice based on your own needs. It's your decision, not Verizon's, AT&T's and especially not Apple's.
 
:eek: Fail.

Protip: this discussion is irrelevent to people living in a state that's entirely outside of the Awesome 3G Network. :rolleyes:

but outside of Verizon 3G is NO coverage. the point that's trying to be made here is that outside of ATT 3G is Edge and ultimately more coverage in more areas.

as i mentioned in another post. a person making a voice call would see/hear no difference between being on an Edge or 3G network. the verizon ads were depicting people slapping their phones as if they had NO coverage at all.
 
Until Verizon has the iPhone, or until people actually care about the Android, it's just another loser carrier. The device makes the carrier.

There are millions of Blackberry users who would vehemently disagree with you here. The iPhone is great, but it doesn't magically improve AT&T's image, even amongst iPhone users. And that image is pretty bad right now. There are a lot of people who would drop their current carriers in a heartbeat to pick up the iPhone if anyone other than AT&T had the deal.
 
Apple and AT&T have just started to tell the rest of the world what only a few techies knew: Verizon can not support simultaneous voice and data. OUCH.

I use this feature all the time. Imagine if Apple went with Verizon? How pitiful would the iPhone be? For many business users, like myself, having voice and data access at the same time is essential to our jobs. I can dial into conference calls AND share data/presentations at the same time (check out Cisco's WEBEX App).

No wonder AT&T has the most smart phones.

A lot of business users have separate data cards for their laptop, and use that as their mobile office, so it doesn't matter. Some people depend on the ability to do both, some don't. Most casual consumers (the people the iphone really marketed to first), don't care. This is why it hasn't come up until now, and why no one knew -- because most people didn't need it to begin with.

"Imagine if Apple went with Verizon?"

They would sell a lot of phones. Period.


Also, keep in mind that LTE (4G) is coming to both networks in just a few short years, which is going to put Verizon and AT&T on equal footing in the major cities for data features and speed. Then this will all seem stupid, and just go back to a coverage argument.
 
Not possible. You might be picking up wifi, but if the EDGE connection is in use for a voice call, then it isn't available for internet.

If you want to test this, start a call, then go check your email. It won't work. It's also why visual voicemail (which uses some form of an EDGE connection) won't notify you of a voicemail until after you end a call.

Note, this does not impact SMS, so you can text to your hearts content while on a call using EDGE. You just can't do anything that uses the internet connection.
Very possible.
EDGE is capable of simultaneous voice/data connections.
AT&T chose to limit its EDGE implementation in the US.

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[FONT=arial, helvetica]Mobile Device Classes
-Class A – Simultaneous Voice and Data
-Class B – Automatic Transfer of Voice and Data
-Class C – Single System Selection
-Dual Transfer Mode (DTM)
-Multi-slot Class
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Haha, so Verizon really thought they could compete toe-to-toe with Apple when it comes to advertising? This is just the beginning.

In addition, I never thought of this as a big selling point. But now that I have watched the commercial and pondered this for a few minutes, it really is. I actually use this feature several times a week. Being able to send maps, look up movie times, and browse the web while on a call to check something--like flight status--really is convenient and great when you're trying to relay information to the person on the other end. It's even more necessary when I'm talking to my wife and she needs some sort of information on the go since she just has a standard Sony slider phone. Or when my mom calls, I can keep playing ngmoco's Eliminate Pro online multiplayer FPS to pass the time while also receiving notifications about how well Brett Favre is doing. Who says the iPhone can't multitask?
 
"Wanna Grab Sushi Afterwards?"

Quote from 2nd ad....

Why oh why does Apple continue to use statements like this that just reinforce the worst stereotypes about users of Apple products?

SUSHI!!!!! Geez, how wimpy is that!!!
 
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