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It really has me thinking. I fall into one of the categories of "high risk" individuals. I've been self-isolating for eight weeks now, I think. So in a couple of weeks I have my regular appointment with my specialist. We'll be doing it virtually, so far so good...but there is a lab test I get every time, to get an important number to discuss. Now I've got to go somewhere to have this done. It certainly does make me worry. But if I don't continue to treat my existing issues effectively, it's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Are you aware of what rules this "somewhere" has in place? There are a LOT of places right now that won't let you come in if you have any symptoms. If they have a rule like that, you may feel at least a little bit more comfortable/confident going to this place, because is would hopefully give you some peace of mind that there wasn't a sick person there. (Symptomatic, at least). We've got a few doctor's office buildings on my campus and one in particular will NOT see anyone who's showing symptoms. They have this rule so that people who aren't sick (that they know of) can still come in for certain tests that they may need. Personally, if I were a high risk...it would make me feel a little more comfortable walking into a place with a rule like that.

If you aren't sure...don't hesitate to give them a call and ask questions about what precautions this place is taking. Seriously! Never hurts to ask and make sure!
 
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Really immaterial. Once you lose someone you love to the virus your attitude will change 180˚

Maybe if you lose someone because they are poor and can't get access to the level of healthcare they need your opinion will change
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Got you. All the unemployed will starve. You have really put lots of thought into that one.

No one said that
 
Maybe if you lose someone because they are poor and can't get access to the level of healthcare they need your opinion will change
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No one said that

The person I quoted was hinting at exactly that.
 
Good news for people who had their devices for in-store repair. I feel bad for them to not getting their devices back especially they didn't have a secondary device.
 
signed in for the first time in a long time to agree with you. Fauci’s plandemic is just about over , we can only hope.

hey if you wanna be a scaredy cat and think wearing a blankie on your nose is gonna keep you safe, be my guest. But I won’t be stepping foot in any store that requires me to do so!

Sure, the 26,000 Spanish, and 60,000 Brits and Italians all died because Dr Fauci is a fake.

And as for the 75,000 Americans, well, it's just so fake news, isn't it?
 
Nope. Social distancing was taken into account. Read the initial reports.
Source? I cannot find an early projection of 2M deaths assuming significant mitigation.
No that isn't the argument. The argument is how many deaths are worth it? Do you believe they should shut down the economies of the world every winter? If your answer is no then that means you don't feel 250,000 to 600,000 deaths per year are worth that financial cost?
I don’t agree that’s the right question. The right question is, how many deaths would there be if NOT for the “shut down” (which means different things in different places), and is THAT number of deaths worth it.

I just think we (collectively) really need to get away from these flu comparisons. I realize that a lot of prominent people used that comparison early on, but it’s not helpful, and it’s not relevant. This is a good starting point as to why:

Also, even if you believe the (very inflated) flu death numbers, let’s take the number cited by the president (as reported in the above link) of 25k - 69k flu deaths/year. That’s over a whole flu season, or 4+ months. COVID-19 has killed 77k Americans (as of today) in two months. With dramatic social distancing.

So two months of COVID-19 with severe mitigation has produced more deaths than 4 months of the flu in a really bad year. It’s produced more deaths than three years of low-death flu seasons.

We cannot shut down the operation of the world for everything that kills people, and that includes the flu. But COVID-19 is much, MUCH worse, and it needs to be dealt with on its own terms, not in comparison to the flu.
 
Yaaay! Second (huge) wave!!! (this is the people at the top playing with the people down below btw, if that's not clear...)
 
Sure... and that's a completely separate argument. And I don't have a strong enough opinion about it to argue it. But that's completely separate debate from the "is coronavirus real or serious" debate that seems to happen in these threads.

I believe it's objectively serious (based on number of all-cause deaths with a lockdown).

Serious enough to wash your hands regularly? I think most people agree with that
Serious enough to shut down the economy for 5 years? I think most people don't agree with that

What we're arguing is what's the inbetween point.

arn

The in-between point for who? I assume business is booming for this site. I don't mean that to attack you personally, however consider many people will be running out of food soon. There seems to be a divide in opinions between those that are doing okay and thriving through this and those who risk food security soon. FWIW I also have a set up that my income isn't in jeopardy. In fact the company I owe my living to thrives in this.

For those that aren't that fortunate too soon is becoming a more pressing question.
 
I'm wary of opening things up this early, but as long as people continue to practice the public social distancing rules we've been engaging in for the last couple of months it can likely be contained without much of a spike.

Now, if people go about like nothing happened, then there's gonna be a spike for real.
 
I'm wary of opening things up this early, but as long as people continue to practice the public social distancing rules we've been engaging in for the last couple of months it can likely be contained without much of a spike.

Now, if people go about like nothing happened, then there's gonna be a spike for real.

The social distancing is a farce. I was in Home Depot the other day. They had the marks on the floor and controlled entry. The thing is the lines were so long you had to walk between the marks and between the people in line. You were literally almost brushing against each other to go past.

Next look at a place like NYC. If they want to open bars and restaurants and stick to social distancing, you are going to have to be assigned your day(s) of the week to go out. Run it like snowplowing odd and even days and ID required.

This is not the new normal. This can only go on for a very limited amount of time before the $1,200 check and the canned goods run out. I would like to see the politicians saying it could go on for several months forfeit their pay and take a pro-rated check of around $600 to live on. Also that pay isn't suspended but gone forever.
 
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The in-between point for who? I assume business is booming for this site. I don't mean that to attack you personally, however consider many people will be running out of food soon. There seems to be a divide in opinions between those that are doing okay and thriving through this and those who risk food security soon. FWIW I also have a set up that my income isn't in jeopardy. In fact the company I owe my living to thrives in this.

I wasn't advocating for anything one way or the other, or minimizing anyone's experience.

If you or anyone feels everything should open up due to economic concerns or food concerns -- that's 100% valid. However, I don't believe "it's a hoax" is a good reason for wanting everything to open up.

Unrelated, business isn't really booming for digital publishers. I'm not claiming any hardship or anything... just addressing the state of the industry since you mentioned it


arn
 
I wasn't advocating for anything one way or the other, or minimizing anyone's experience.

If you or anyone feels everything should open up due to economic concerns or food concerns -- that's 100% valid. However, I don't believe "it's a hoax" is a good reason for wanting everything to open it.

Unrelated, business isn't really booming for digital publishers. I'm not claiming any hardship or anything... just addressing the state of the industry since you mentioned it


arn

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. It could be said opening an Apple store is a bit ridiculous. I only worry for the people deprived of their income. I guess digital ads are down now that you mention it. FB and Google mentioned this in their earnings. Thanks for informing me of that.
 
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