Apparently none. Heart attacks and strokes are mysteriously almost non-existent. Or, maybe people are waiting to have a heart attack when the hospitals aren't full of Covid patients, right?
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It's especially bad for local media. Despite more interest/traffic for local news, all their ad buys are from local businesses such as restaurants and events... which are obviously out of commission.
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Thanks for confirming it’s not a hoax.
And yes things will likely have been much worse without any lockdown.
Yeah... but the higher part of the Red lines correspond to March-April-ish and a little of May. Red line = 2020. Blue line = historical average.
Wow, not very good at math are you. 0.3 is THREE TIMES more than 0.1. When you’re dealing with big numbers, that’s nothing to sneeze at. Excuse the pun.
On top of that, there are post-recovery consequences with COVID-19 that we aren’t seeing with flu. Like PERMANENT lung damage.
No matter what your politics are, this is absolutely nothing to joke about.
Will the Apple stores be giving away or selingl Apple logo'd masks? Maybe even old school ones with the rainbow apple?
It's a bit different here I guess. Aside from the self-centred twenty-something condo crowd, people have been fairly good at obeying the rules. People in Toronto habitually line up for things anyway, now we just have to do it a bit further apart. Also, there's a C$2000/month benefit you can apply for if you've lost work or your work has lessened to a certain degree.
My greatest concern with current policy is that it prolongs the “wave” and potentially leaves large pockets of unexposed population. This could have a few major downsides. It leaves viral targets unless it is eradicated and the more targets/time the virus is around, the greater the chance it can significantly mutate. If the virus mutates, this whole thing starts over again. I personally dislike the moving goal-posts that policy makers have been using. Restrictive measures were never intended to, or could, eradicate this virus. Now there are many people claiming stepwise easing of restrictive measures is “too soon“ even with data suggesting easing is justified for many regions.
First, flu deaths are likely very overstated. See the link I posted in post 163.
Second, these are the numbers with the whole world undertaking dramatically more social distancing than has happened in any of our lifetimes. Comparing to flu deaths that occur with zero social distancing makes no sense.
Third, that COVID death toll is a very long way from final, especially in the US.
If everyone was suddenly tested, there would be a .001% fatality rate
Another forecast by Neil Ferguson? It seems he always gets over stimulated by Staats!
In this thread: people who think they’re scientists because they read an article online telling them what to think
Source? I cannot find an early projection of 2M deaths assuming significant mitigation.
I don’t agree that’s the right question. The right question is, how many deaths would there be if NOT for the “shut down” (which means different things in different places), and is THAT number of deaths worth it.
I just think we (collectively) really need to get away from these flu comparisons. I realize that a lot of prominent people used that comparison early on, but it’s not helpful, and it’s not relevant. This is a good starting point as to why:
Comparing COVID-19 Deaths to Flu Deaths Is like Comparing Apples to Oranges
The former are actual numbers; the latter are inflated statistical estimatesblogs.scientificamerican.com
Also, even if you believe the (very inflated) flu death numbers, let’s take the number cited by the president (as reported in the above link) of 25k - 69k flu deaths/year. That’s over a whole flu season, or 4+ months. COVID-19 has killed 77k Americans (as of today) in two months. With dramatic social distancing.
So two months of COVID-19 with severe mitigation has produced more deaths than 4 months of the flu in a really bad year. It’s produced more deaths than three years of low-death flu seasons.
We cannot shut down the operation of the world for everything that kills people, and that includes the flu. But COVID-19 is much, MUCH worse, and it needs to be dealt with on its own terms, not in comparison to the flu.
1. I guess my point or question is where is the cutoff point. If we say 50,000 people a year dying from the flu is acceptable what is the number where it is not acceptable. A few years ago 70,000 people died from the flu in the US. That was acceptable obviously. What is the number where it become unacceptable? is 100,000 people dying if 30 million peoples lives are ruined financially? Would 300,000 people dying be acceptable if only 10 million people's lives were ruined financially? Would only 10,000 people dying be better but caused 100 million lives being ruined financially?
2. This whole socials distancing thing and stay at home is completely done half assed. If they really wanted to do this right then everything would be closed except maybe grocery stores. There are so many truly unnecessary things open. Either do it right or don't do it at all.
I think peoples point about the flu is over the last 10 years worldwide around 3 million to 6 million people have died from the flu and every winter we just act as if it is no big deal and move along. I am willing to bet this will not come close to killing 3 million-6 million people in the next 10 years.
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I hope California opens up soon. I've been wanting to test out the MacBook Airs with scissor-switch keyboards!
But you have no clue if it is .3%. As I posted earlier conservative estimates that 20 million people have had this. Liberal estimates that the number is 150,000,000. Middle of the road about 30 million. Take the number of deaths and divide it into those 3 numbers and what is the death rate?
I agree that COVID-19 is more fatal than the flu, however, we simply do not have the denominator therefore we don’t actually know infection rate or death rate. Without a known number of infected individuals, speculation on fatality rate is anyone’s guess.
On topic, I am happy to see Apple reopening stores. These stay at home until this goes away policies are going wreck countless lives.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the lockdown to flatten the curve so hospitals weren’t overloaded? It was never to stay home so you don’t get sick. You could get sick anyway right? At some point you gotta leave your house even to go to the store and fight someone for toilet paper. I heard a lot of people are even getting sick at home
Yeah and I agreed with that policy initially. My brother is a Critical Care/Pulmonologist so he has been on the literal front lines and he hasn’t seen a new COVID patient in couple weeks. At one point he had 5 COVID patients in his ICU. I think we are seeing it flatten some. The problem is, we are in dire straights economically. Opening up retail is exactly what needs to happen, but people also need to spend money or else it’s all for nought. This is why I’m happy to see more and more places reopening, and glad to see Apple starting to reopen in the US. We can do this smartly and in the right markets first.
Speaking of Darwin, this virus will certainly select for those genes conveying resistance to CV-19.
I hope your right. I just hope at the first sign on increase they slam the door shut again.
All you people screaming it’s a hoax. Come work with us in the Covid units. just watched a 32 year old woman go from “I feel fine”, but tested positive to icu in 4 hours time.