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Apple to Start Reopening U.S. Stores Next Week
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We will never know the true fatality rate or the true number of those who have had this virus.
That doesn’t fit their agenda though. The nutjobs will run with this until you are 100% safe.
The Covid antibody test I took this week was a blood draw. Have your doc add it to your order so you can see if you’ve already had it or not.
Medical offices seem to be good at making the facilities clean, as are Quest's testing facilities. I'd expect that you'd go in a specific entrance, into an area that's been wiped down. Everyone will be wearing masks and gloves. Boom, you're in, you're out, you're done.
How do you calculate the fatality rate when the fatalities are increasing daily by over 1,000?
In NYC, there are still refrigerator trailers parked outside of morgues and crematoria with thousands of frozen corpses because those facilities are overwhelmed and can’t process all the dead bodies.
Easy. Hospitals have records on the fly for mortalities as do other agencies. IMO I believe some deaths are getting classified as Covid related that likely aren't but the data on deaths is not that far off. Where you can't calculate the rate is on the denominator side since the actual amount of cases is extremely far off. A single hospital is not losing thousands of people per day. University hospital had 61 deaths (which is a ton) compared to others in NYC that had 20-30. It isn't that hard for someone to figure out causes of deaths for those 61 people. Now if it were 600 then you would have a valid point.
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The deaths are only accelerating in the US. How are you going to calculate the death rate even if you test everyone?
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If you have complete data it is simple math. BY the end of 2020 you will be able to calculate the number of deaths due to Covid. The hard part is the denominator of how many people had it. For that we need to test about 300 million people which isn't likely. In the end we will definitely see the number go down from what is being reported today. How much down is the million dollar question. If you could test everyone it would be really easy to calculate the death rate. Deaths are decreasing in places where it was introduced early. In another week or two most states should be declining.
For most Americans, not eating for a couple days only does Good.
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But we are not even at the middle of the year yet. How can anyone claim that the death rate is 0.001% or 0.01% or 0.1% or 1%?
Well it is two fold. You can take the deaths today and report the deaths divided by confirmed cases. This is what they currently do. That number is the absolute highest it can be. We won't know the more accurate death rate until tens of millions of antibody tests are done.
Having said that you can take a sample of random people and test them to see how many people had Covid and did not know it. If you find out that it is 10 fold or 20 fold then you can take known cases and multiply that number by 10 fold or 20 fold. This is a math equation. The argument is always going to be on the denominator of how many people had it.
We don't know if it is 1%, .1%. .01% or .001%, etc. Based on everything I have read I believe it will approach .05 to .2%.
It’s about 4% so far in America. It was over 10% in Italy, Spain, and the U.K. it was 3.5% in China.
We won’t know until we have tested everyone several times and have counted all the deaths from Coronavirus for 2020.
However, if there’s no vaccine, it’s safe to assume that 75% of Americans will be infected. Even if the death rate is 0.5%, we are taking over a million dead from this virus. That’s more Americans than died in all of the wars that Americans participated in since the founding of this country.
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I believe we will find out it isn't close to 4%.
Also it is at 1.3% FOR DETECTED CASES ONLY
U.S. COVID-19 death rate is 1.3%, study finds
(HealthDay)—Among detected cases of COVID-19 in the United States, 1.3% of patients will die from the illness, according to a new calculation. But that rate could increase if current precautions and health care capacities change, the study's author said.
Multiple Studies Suggest COVID-19 Mortality Rate May Be Lower Than Expected
The actual death toll for COVID-19 won’t be calculable for some time, but there are early indications that it may be significantly lower than calculations of deaths per confirmed cases lead one to believe.
www.biospace.com
I believe we will find out it isn't close to 4%.
Also it is at 1.3% FOR DETECTED CASES ONLY
U.S. COVID-19 death rate is 1.3%, study finds
(HealthDay)—Among detected cases of COVID-19 in the United States, 1.3% of patients will die from the illness, according to a new calculation. But that rate could increase if current precautions and health care capacities change, the study's author said.medicalxpress.com
Multiple Studies Suggest COVID-19 Mortality Rate May Be Lower Than Expected
The actual death toll for COVID-19 won’t be calculable for some time, but there are early indications that it may be significantly lower than calculations of deaths per confirmed cases lead one to believe.
Even if it’s a 1.3% mortality rate, rather than 2% like Dr. Fauci suggests, that’s still 13x the mortality rate of the flu.
For the 3rd time you need to understand the data. Dr Fauci (understandably so) will only talk about confirmed cases. He will never discuss unconfirmed cases. Had you read what I just posted you would see that number is off from 5x to 70x.
To put its more clearly, it isn't even 1.3%. That is DETECTED CASES ONLY.
It would be like asking how many red cars drive down your street per day and you look out your window for 10 minutes and see 2 red cars and come to the conclusion that only 2 red cars drive down your street every day.
This virus is highly contagious. Much more contagious than the flu. It can infect via contact with the eyes and is 40 times more contagious than SARS according to a study released yesterday in Hong Kong. Read the report in SCMP.
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Is it worth shutting down the economy over 1.5 million dead Americans? Many don’t believe it’s worth it. That is until the death comes into your household and wipes out several of your close ones. Trust me, with 1.5 million dead Americans, death from Coronavirus will be all around us. We will personally know people who will die from it.
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For the Nth time. Even 0.5% of mortality rate translates to 1.5 milllion of dead Americans.
Is it worth shutting down the economy over 1.5 million dead Americans? Many don’t believe it’s worth it. That is until the death comes into your household and wipes out several of your close ones. Trust me, with 1.5 million dead Americans, death from Coronavirus will be all around us. We will personally know people who will die from it.
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Whew. It would only translate to 1.5 million dead Americans if every single person got it. That is a tall order.
Second if it is highly contagious (and I agree with you there) you think only 330,000 people in NYC with 20 million people got it? You can't have it both ways. If you think it is highly contagious then it is likely millions got it in NYC our you have to believe it is not highly contagious. Which is it? And if you believe it is highly contagious and millions did indeed get it in NYC then the mortality rate is far far less than 1.3%.
4-6 million people have died from the flu over the last 10 years. Is that worth keeping the economy open for the last 10 years?
Did you see the streets in NYC? The city was completely shut down for 6 weeks. When the country reopens, the virus will start spreading so fast that we won’t be able to stop it. Instead of keeping the country shut down until the end of May and starving the virus to death, we jumped the gun and we will have the second wave that will be much worse than the first one.
We have not yet seen the economic disaster that this virus will have caused. By trying to reopen the economy too soon, the government have secured a real economic collapse that is coming within the next few months, not to mention the human casualties that this decision will cause.
Again the disease was there before they shut down the streets. If it was highly contagious then you would have to believe more than 330,000 people got it. Tens of millions of live have already been financially ruined. I find it ironic you have no problem keeping the economy open when 40-50,000 people die per year from flu, etc but when you hit some arbitrary number that seems to be above that you want to shut the whole thing down and ruin tens of millions of lives.
You need to at least do a little research if you want to make these claims. If this thing is a highly contagious and deadly as you seem to think there is no way less than ten million have gotten this thing. You need to learn about the % of people that they say are asymptomatic. In a study in Miami they say 16.5x more people were asymptomatic. That would mean in NYC using that number 5.5 million people had it. They have had 21,000 deaths. That is under .1% mortality rate.
BTW this thing would not have been gone by the end of May. You likely would have needed to keep it shut down through the summer which wood ruin about 150 million plus live financially.
Oh and to answer your question where most won't yes 1.5 million people dying is worth not ruining 50-100 million lives financially.
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Unfortunately you’re using logic and sense here at MacRumors, where most of the posters prefer to stare at their COVID exposure phone alerts and relegate economic security and privacy concerns to the ether.
It’s amazing that people like you reject science. Neither one of us is an epidemiologist. The difference between us is that I believe the scientists, and you believe the politicians. The scientists tell is what to do to stop this virus and how bad this virus will be if we don’t starve it by sheltering in place. The numbers between 1.6 million and 2.2 million were announced by the most prominent American epidemiologists. Those are not my numbers.
Comparing Coronavirus to the common flu is ignorant. The flu mortality rate is highly overstated. I get the flu every year even though I get vaccinated. I have never seen a doctor for the flu. I’m sure tens of millions of Americans never see a doctor for the flu. So, the official flu death rate is much lower than 0.1% because a lot more people get the flu annually than those who get tested for the flu and test positive.
The Coronavirus is at least 10 times as deadly as the flu. It’s very likely the Coronavirus is 50 times as deadly, and it’s dozens of times more contagious than the flu. Without mitigation, the Coronavirushas a potential to kill 100 times as many Americans as the flu. Additionally, the Coronavirus is already mutating, so having been infected today, may not provide any immunity in a year or two. This means that we may have millions of people dying from Coronavirus every year in the US alone.
The only way to defeat the Coronavirus is to starve it to death. This is exactly what the Chinese did by shutting down Wuhan (over 60 million people) for 3 months. China has completely reopened their economy now, and there haven’t been any deaths from Coronavirus in China in the past three weeks.
Wow I can’t believe we can’t even have a news story about Apple stores reopening without invoking bitter fights about the virus. No one even bothered to ask or mention how Apple is going to handle disinfecting the devices. The BIGGEST spread of germs are in places like Apple stores where everyone is touching the devices on display. I’m assuming when they reopen they will no longer have devices out for people to touch and play with...
What might be a better idea is if they require everyone to sanitize their hands before entering the store (with provided hand sanitizer) and people in the store can check out a sanitized device to play with and then when they are done they hand it back to a store associate who sends it to the back room get disinfected again for the next guest to use.
I suspect, however, what will really happen is NONE of the display models will be available for people to touch and play with, and Apple will be focusing their store efforts on exactly what the article mentions, repairs.. And pickups.
Sad because I want to play with the new iPad case and see if it’s worth $300. I already have the Logitech one which was $150, but it only has ONE angle which is tilted up 30 degrees and it drives me nuts.. ok now I’m going off topic, but seriously can we get back to talking about Apple devices and rumors and leave politics out of all this?!
What might be a better idea is if they require everyone to sanitize their hands before entering the store (with provided hand sanitizer) and people in the store can check out a sanitized device to play with and then when they are done they hand it back to a store associate who sends it to the back room get disinfected again for the next guest to use.
I suspect, however, what will really happen is NONE of the display models will be available for people to touch and play with, and Apple will be focusing their store efforts on exactly what the article mentions, repairs.. And pickups.
Sad because I want to play with the new iPad case and see if it’s worth $300. I already have the Logitech one which was $150, but it only has ONE angle which is tilted up 30 degrees and it drives me nuts.. ok now I’m going off topic, but seriously can we get back to talking about Apple devices and rumors and leave politics out of all this?!
It would seem Bolander is more scientific about this than you credit. The argument made is logical and cites actual evidence rather than referencing "rent a docs", outdated models, and misleading news reports.