Apple to 'Vigorously' Defend Itself in Nokia Lawsuit

[Thex1138]

Simulacra

You know... When all these other companies fail in their innovation and research strategy, then litigate their own failures against other's success in order to 'attain lost revenues' due to their own failings... they kind of remind me of these lil guys...Yeah they survived but living off scavenging and scraps of others is very unbecoming really....

 

[ddrueckhammer]

There is codec for GSM voice and data. They are specially developed for GSM standard. Same goes for the switching etc. Nokia, Ericsson and Qualcomm have spent billions on developing the GSM standard and they have patents protecting their IP. I'll bet Apple will loose the lawsuit or they will settle it.

I know this but the whole point is that software patents are ridiculous. Most of what goes on in the background to make phone calls and transmit data with cell phones is done via software. Nokia isn't claiming that Apple infringed on the design of a cellular radio or some other hardware.

 

[Stately]

If practically everyone else is already paying up, I really don't see how Apple think they have a leg to stand on.

I can't stand how they think they're so "special".

C'mon . . they are. You know they are lol. Honestly I have to back down on this one. Right is right. If Apple is infringing, then hey, they need to pay up. I'm surprised they have made it this far though, if true.

 

[Stately]

Hmm . . I have to ask though. Doesn't Apple have a patent on the iphone design and layout of OS etc.. Why is it that they aren't getting paid big from all these biters.

 

[ddrueckhammer]

Here is an interesting little article about the suit with some speculation:

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2009/10/22/nokia-files-patent-lawsuit-against-apple

Also, if you google "patenting industry standards" there are lots of law articles on this very subject mainly discussing the fact that if a company doesn't offer reasonable and fair terms for licensing then they could be subject to anti-competative suits in context with industry standard or interface patents.

However, I can still see Apple trying to leverage some property of theirs to get special terms rather than Nokia trying to extract unreasonable fees. Either way, its a stupid game that will cost them both millions.

 

[kdarling]

Here is an interesting little article about the suit with some speculation:

Umm. Not so interesting article with bogus speculation.

Typically, he hadn't read the complaint or the patents before commenting. Then he makes up the "fact" that Nokia "waited three years".

In the actual complaint, Nokia says that they had tried for some time to get Apple to pay fair and reasonable terms as laid out by the consortium of companies involved.

 

[Bafflefish]

Here is an interesting little article about the suit with some speculation:

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2009/10/22/nokia-files-patent-lawsuit-against-apple

My problem with that article is this:

I haven't seen the 10 patents in question in this case, so I can't speak to how valid Nokia's claim of patent infringement is.

Then he goes on to provide "some theories" behind why Nokia is is suing Apple. I like how he listed only "theories" that paint Nokia as the bad corporation, and didn't even bother to mention that perhaps Nokia tried negotiating with Apple for some time before resorting to litigation.

Umm. Not so interesting article with bogus speculation.

Typically, he hadn't read the complaint or the patents before commenting. Then he makes up the "fact" that Nokia "waited three years".

In the actual complaint, Nokia says that they had tried for some time to get Apple to pay fair and reasonable terms as laid out by the consortium of companies involved.

Bah, you beat me to it

 

[Goona]

Quite true. For FY08, Apple had roughly US $30 billion in revenue. Nokia had something like US $70 billion in revenue. Nokia is much, much larger than Apple.

So what Apple has more cash than them.

I agree there are WAAAY too many trolls. I hate coming here anymore. You can't even say anything good about apple without a troll jumping in trying to disguise their jabs as "being realistic".

I wont point names to the most common trolls but its usually something like "My windows 7 machine never had a single problem but the 15 macs I have all have blue screen errors and wont boot up and blah blah". Which everyone knows is ********.

Ok enough on that tangent.

Well said, you can't even say anything positive about Apple without them jumping on your back and when you hit back, they run to the mods and get you banned.

Or, as has been speculated by analysts, Apple figured it could go a few years not paying for the technology it uses, thus lowering the price of the device while it carves out a market share with an artificially low price.

Rightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!

 

[charlituna]

Except for the fact that Apple and Cisco ultimately settled, Apple obtained permission to use the iPhone trademark, and to this day Cisco owns the trademark still.

this Cisco phone that was allegedly cobbled together right on the eve of the end the of the renewal grace period so that they could claim use, despite not having an iphone product on the market for several years (which is why legal analysts say they 'gave up' the trademark). so they found out that Apple was about to announce an iphone. attempted to renew their trademark on the term, despite a lack of product with the name (a condition of claim) for close to 7 years and then 7 months later, right as the Apple iphone was released, put their new phone on the market and sued.

Cisco probably knew their case was weak cause the renewal info, lack of product etc was all public knowledge so they agreed to share the use of the trademark with Apple. so in fact they don't actually 'own' the trademark exclusively but allow Apple to use it. the mark is more of a joint custody agreement.

 

[Goona]

Nokia sells ~400 million phones a year. Some joke

90 percent are 20 dollar phones in 3rd world countries.

 

[cumanzor]

90 percent are 20 dollar phones in 3rd world countries.

[citation needed]

Goona stop acting like if you know everything in the universe. You clearly don't. You are completely allowed to express your opinions but they are just that.... opinions.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Vigorously is an understatement.

 

[rjohnstone]

90 percent are 20 dollar phones in 3rd world countries.

Now look who's blowing sunshine up peoples skirts.
If that claim were to even be remotely true, Nokia would not have earned any where near $70 billion in revenue.
Get a calculator and do the math. And yes, I know they have products other than mobile phones.

Apple doesn't have a lot of "cash" on hand. They have a lot of market value which can disappear like a fart in the wind if investors decide to cash out.
It can happen to any company that has an over inflated stock price.

Also, the GSM tech that sits in a low-end Nokia cell phone is the same thing sitting in an iPhone.
A phones retail price means squat.

 

[MorphingDragon]

[citation needed]

Goona stop acting like if you know everything in the universe. You clearly don't. You are completely allowed to express your opinions but they are just that.... opinions.

No, they're $2 phones from China... duhr. /Sarcasm

 

[ChazUK]

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Nokia sells ~400 million phones a year. Some joke

90 percent are 20 dollar phones in 3rd world countries.

Is that a fact eh Goona?

I bet most of the population of 3rd world countries are more concerned with feeding themselves than a pathetic phone, you insensitive little ****.

 

[ddrueckhammer]

^
Everyone knows third world kids need $100 laptops (like these) more than anything else. Forget textbooks, teachers, doctors, medicine, food, shelter, and clothing they are overrated!

 

[dejo]

Apple doesn't have a lot of "cash" on hand

$34 billion is not a lot?

- Cash and short-term marketable securities total $34 billion

Apple Reports $1.67 Billion Profit for Q4 2009, Most Profitable Quarter Ever

 

[rjohnstone]

$34 billion is not a lot?


Apple Reports $1.67 Billion Profit for Q4 2009, Most Profitable Quarter Ever

A little over $5 billion of that is actual cash.

Source: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/10/19results.html

 

[wbaetz]

Why is it that so many people who obviously hate Apple Inc. spend their time posting on a site that describes itself as a "mac community discussion forum"?

Do members of the "mac community" hate Apple, and if they do, why are they members?

 

[Nuvi]

Why is it that so many people who obviously hate Apple Inc. spend their time posting on a site that describes itself as a "mac community discussion forum"?

Do members of the "mac community" hate Apple, and if they do, why are they members?

I definitely don't hate Apple. I've been Mac user since day one but this doesn't make a mindless fanboy accepting everything they do. I believe Apple dropped the ball on this one so they need to pay up. Its simple as that.

 

[edesignuk]

Why is it that so many people who obviously hate Apple Inc. spend their time posting on a site that describes itself as a "mac community discussion forum"?

Do members of the "mac community" hate Apple, and if they do, why are they members?

Why is it people think a corporate giant can do no wrong?

 

[gnasher729]

I bet most of the population of 3rd world countries are more concerned with feeding themselves than a pathetic phone, you insensitive little ****.

Now imagine you live in a really poor third world country, and your village has a mobile phone, which lets you find out which of the two markets nearby has food and at which price, instead of walking twenty miles to find out. There are people who actually use mobile phones for useful communication instead of an excuse for shouting loudly in public.

 

[gnasher729]

Where did you get the idea that Nokia had different terms for Apple then it did for other manufacturers? The terms are the same. If Apple wants to license after they have released a product terms are always different. Naturally the terms are very strict if you first rip of the IP and only after that start negotiating. Licenses are no more then $ 2-10 per phone when negotiated prior the product release.

I didn't say "Nokia had different terms for Apple", I said "Apple claims...". So far we only have "Nokia claims..." and "Apple claims...".

You on the other hand do actually claim that terms for Apple were the same. So how do you know that? Any basis for that apart from pure conjecture? Even Nokia hasn't made this claim in public, so I have no idea where you get it from.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

All I can say is Steve must have the patience of an angel because I know what I'd say as part of an official press release: "Nokia are a pack of tossers sitting around doing sweet f*ck all and when we hand their ass to them on a plater they whine, whinge and sue. Nokia, do us all a favour and curl up in the corner and die - for all our sake".

 

[Goona]

Now look who's blowing sunshine up peoples skirts.
If that claim were to even be remotely true, Nokia would not have earned any where near $70 billion in revenue.
Get a calculator and do the math. And yes, I know they have products other than mobile phones.

Apple doesn't have a lot of "cash" on hand. They have a lot of market value which can disappear like a fart in the wind if investors decide to cash out.
It can happen to any company that has an over inflated stock price.

Also, the GSM tech that sits in a low-end Nokia cell phone is the same thing sitting in an iPhone.
A phones retail price means squat.

So the 34 billion that Apple just reported is reported as having is false?