It seems right now, Nokia is not trying to compete with the iPhone. The N900 is out, and while expensive, it's a hell of a mobile platform. (Debian based OS, looks sweet!).
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Apple to 'Vigorously' Defend Itself in Nokia Lawsuit
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It seems right now, Nokia is not trying to compete with the iPhone. The N900 is out, and while expensive, it's a hell of a mobile platform. (Debian based OS, looks sweet!).
Woops, I didn't realize that market cap is the defining aspect of a company. My bad.
If you look at my post, you'll see I was specifically addressing the line saying Nokia is "much, much larger than Apple." This is simply not the case. While you can use number of employees, revenue or whatever other number you wish to compare companies, market capitalization is generally used to classify how large a company is. This is right from the dictionary:
"The investment community uses this figure to determining a company's size, as opposed to sales or total asset figures."
If you look at the original thread on the Nokia patent issue, I was one of the biggest supporters of Nokia, and I still am. I was simply correcting a factual error.
Both Nokia and Apple are successful...don't kid yourself.
If Nokia has a patent that every other cell phone manufacturer in the cell phone marketspace licensed...yet Apple chose not to AND THEN IMPLEMENTED THE PATENT WITHOUT PAYING, Apple surely deserves to be sued as I'm sure the other 40 companies (out of 41) that licensed the patent did extensive research before paying Apple. Very likely the suit will hold up in court.
I see Apple settling for a hefty amount.
Patent lawsuits like this (not the trolls) are very important to keep businesses and Intellectual Property fair. Don't think Apple wouldn't sue if someone started stealing their patents.
Although we know very little about this case, the fact that every other manufacturer licensed it while Apple ignored it (and the article implies Apple knew of the patent but decided to ignore the demands of payment) is a very ugly opening chapter.
-Eric
Their complaint (like all legal complaints) is one sided and doesn't give Apple's reasons for rejecting their offers.
My guess (and it is just blind speculation) is that Apple wanted a special deal because they hold tons of patents involving data transmission on mobile devices. Nokia's complaint goes out of it's way to point out that Apple just entered the cell phone market which makes me think that they want to argue that any patents Apple holds in regards to data transmission on a portable device are irrelavent to phones. Apple may be trying to make a case that transmitting data on a phone is no different than on a PDA or laptop or desktop. Or they may believe that their implementation of 3G technologies for data transmission is different enough from Nokia's patent to be considered unique.
The N900 is a cool phone but even despite the price, it isn't a mass market smart phone like the iPhone and some RIM, HTC, and Palm products.
Nokia will continue to do well in the low end, and niche technophile high end market but it is just crazy that that they still don't have anything in this space. Why is it so easy for Apple to drive market trends even when they are new comers to a market? I think it's because companies like Nokia have the perpetual "one less olive" attitude that has stagnated American innovation in the last 20 years rather than taking risks in product development and innovating.
You mean like what Pepsi did recently?
I see the outcome of this being a "settlement" on Apple's part.
Apple doesn't have patents on voice encoding GSM networks, GSM data security, GSM switching etc. Why should Nokia give Apple a special treatment?
Yes but if Apple manage to pull it off the other handset makers will try their luck too.
I don't know how much revenue the licencing fee makes for Nokia, but it is likely a lot.
Sounds a bilt like Palm and iTunes syncing doesn't it.
Because despite the superficial hardware differences between GSM devices and other mobile computing devices, GSM switches, security, and voice transmission are mainly based around PC softwares that may bear alot of resemblance to software patents Apple holds for other mobile computing platforms. It could be argued that the fact that data is tranmitted over a different bandwidth in phones is trivial. Also, voice is just another form of data.
Well Apple will loose
I'm sorry Nokia has developed and patented their stuff and
must pay.
Make them a deal, Get your Iphone cheaper, Unlock it, and let people buy it without a plan. That will be boooooommmmm Christmas present.
If not go to court, and loose billion or two, and we get poor customers will have a crap from it.
I'm sorry Nokia has developed and patented their stuff and
must pay.Make them a deal, Get your Iphone cheaper, Unlock it, and let people buy it without a plan. That will be boooooommmmm Christmas present.
If not go to court, and loose billion or two, and we get poor customers will have a crap from it.
Or, as has been speculated by analysts, Apple figured it could go a few years not paying for the technology it uses, thus lowering the price of the device while it carves out a market share with an artificially low price.
Really???
How about I go to the link in your sig and steal your music.
I'll put it on my own CD and sell it as my own.
I'll give you no credit or any royalties.
Because as you state... "intellectual property is an effin joke."
Edit: And then when you try and sue me for damages, I'll use your post as written permission (because hey "intellectual property is an effin joke.") and counter sue you for legal fees. Sounds cool huh?
Apple is getting sued, a new article gets posted that they are now going to vigorously defend themselves AS THEY SHOULD, but the article currently has more negatives than positives. Sometimes I wonder are these negatives from Windows fans or is it that people just want Apple to fail?
you hate the trolls? i hate the blind fanboy'ism seen in this thread
Apple is not abiding by the law and they are getting sued
serves them right
funny how when other companies infringe on apple patents its not ok but when apple does the infringing, its ok
There is codec for GSM voice and data. They are specially developed for GSM standard. Same goes for the switching etc. Nokia, Ericsson and Qualcomm have spent billions on developing the GSM standard and they have patents protecting their IP. I'll bet Apple will loose the lawsuit or they will settle it.
Disparaging good Wikipedia articles' validity is getting pretty old. Check the sources/references list for that article. Good Wikipedia articles have references to any fact presented in the article. Checking the references should probably debunk your claim. I agree though that facts without proper references in Wikipedia should be taken with a grain of salt.
For those interested, the "father" of GSM is actually considered a Norwegian engineer. Bet he's upset he didn't patent it himself
(http://www.ntnu.no/gemini/2005-01e/gsm.htm)Fanboys again?
It always ends up this way, with everyone defending their honor or position solely to bash the other side based on ZERO facts. This place looks like our government.
The fact is that we don't have all the facts. We have bits and pieces that we are trying to put together like a puzzle. Thing is, we don't even know what the picture is yet. There are many scenarios...
Apple just doesn't want to pay up.
Nokia is gouging Apple compared to the other 40 companies.
The patents are stupid.
The other 40 companies were just too chicken to fight the big dog.
etc. etc. etc.
Who knows at this point?
Apple could be wrong or they could be right, an opinion might be worth a s%^t if only we had more to go on, but we don't.
So basically this is just a fanboy/anti-apple war. Ridiculous
It always ends up this way, with everyone defending their honor or position solely to bash the other side based on ZERO facts. This place looks like our government.
The fact is that we don't have all the facts. We have bits and pieces that we are trying to put together like a puzzle. Thing is, we don't even know what the picture is yet. There are many scenarios...
Apple just doesn't want to pay up.
Nokia is gouging Apple compared to the other 40 companies.
The patents are stupid.
The other 40 companies were just too chicken to fight the big dog.
etc. etc. etc.
Who knows at this point?
Apple could be wrong or they could be right, an opinion might be worth a s%^t if only we had more to go on, but we don't.
So basically this is just a fanboy/anti-apple war. Ridiculous
Exactly.
The whole saga might linger on like bleeding ulcer for years, but Apple's going to lose this one. They may of course spin it as a "settlement" etc
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International Cut
Really???
How about I go to the link in your sig and steal your music.
I'll put it on my own CD and sell it as my own.
I'll give you no credit or any royalties.
Because as you state... "intellectual property is an effin joke."
Edit: And then when you try and sue me for damages, I'll use your post as written permission (because hey "intellectual property is an effin joke.") and counter sue you for legal fees. Sounds cool huh?
amen!
It does if your IP is used in making that product happen.
Stop it. Apple is the only company who has ever innovated anything!
Apple claims that Nokia had a legal obligation to license these patents under "fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory" terms and failed to do so. If that is the case, then Nokia can have all the patents (which Apple doesn't refute) and will still lose.
It's like a bank has been robbed and the police saw you leaving the bank with $10,000. Looks like pretty "hardcore" evidence. Until you show that you just emptied your own bank account, ten minutes before the robbers arrived.
That wouldn't be analysts, that would be people quoting Nokia's press release about the case.
Where did you get the idea that Nokia had different terms for Apple then it did for other manufacturers? The terms are the same. If Apple wants to license after they have released a product terms are always different. Naturally the terms are very strict if you first rip of the IP and only after that start negotiating. Licenses are no more then $ 2-10 per phone when negotiated prior the product release.