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Apple Vision Pro Could Take Four Generations to Reach 'Ideal Form'
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So true. The iPad is gimped on purpose to protect the mac. Do a full computer and swap between tablet and computer it would be a killer device
This argument has nothing to do with cannibalizing Mac sales. MacOS was never intended to be a touch based OS. If you felt that way, you should've bought a Windows tablet. We all know how that turned out.
Hopefully. I don’t know if you read the article on Apple Watches’s design. Ive wanted it to be a fashion item which people likes to wear.
And now he designed the humane ai pin, which on the idea itself, is another fashion item people can wear everyday.
A light weight glass is something on the same line. I have to guess him leaving means there is a strong internal opposition to that direction. A lead will not leave a company if he can still project his influence
These are logical deductions
I don't think AVP needs to or will replace the iPad. It feels like another sub product for computing, a complimentary product. Choose the tool/s and input methods that best fit your life or workflow best.
* iPad (Pencil / Creative / Digital Art / Reading / Video Consumption / Presentations / Document Signing / PDFs & Forms / Specialist Applications)
* Mac (Advanced Productivity / Coding / Documents / Creative Arts / Music & 100s more)
* Vision Pro (Large Mac Display / Video Consumption / Interactive & Experiential Media / Telepresence / Presentation Creation & Rehersal + New & Developing Use Cases in AR)
Each of these products has the potential for refinement and to double down in their respective roles with greater interplay and unique positive attributes. A folding/expanding iPad for example being a key milestone for that product line IMO (to achieve a finer blend of portability + real estate).
* iPad (Pencil / Creative / Digital Art / Reading / Video Consumption / Presentations / Document Signing / PDFs & Forms / Specialist Applications)
* Mac (Advanced Productivity / Coding / Documents / Creative Arts / Music & 100s more)
* Vision Pro (Large Mac Display / Video Consumption / Interactive & Experiential Media / Telepresence / Presentation Creation & Rehersal + New & Developing Use Cases in AR)
Each of these products has the potential for refinement and to double down in their respective roles with greater interplay and unique positive attributes. A folding/expanding iPad for example being a key milestone for that product line IMO (to achieve a finer blend of portability + real estate).
Or look at AirPods Max that hasn’t been updated in like 4 years. I’d guess something in the 3-4 year range
Why is nothing ever good enough. We wait for the next model, the next upgrade. Then we’re forever waiting. Maybe Vision Pro isn’t an iPhone level product, but it’s not in the same league as the iPad. This device is definitely going to push an industry forward. And as it stands it’s already a great device. Every time something launches, we’re already talking about what it could be like 6 years into the future.
I had this same thought when people were showing how “cool” it was to put timers over stuff they’re cooking. I’m like how is that easier than just setting a timer on my iPhone called pasta? Another called sauce. And in that case, I have to be looking AT that specific area to see the timer. A timer on my phone I can see anywhere
But I don’t buy iPads anymore. And no more iPad apps. Ever. Lost because they couldn’t put macOS on it as well.
Apple has shown with avp that the native input doesn’t have to work with macOS. Eye tracking/hands don’t work with macOS on avp. Multitouch on iPad wouldn’t have to work either. Use a kb and mouse.
The Current Screens on the M1 MacBook Pro hurt my eyes. Too much radiation. Even the Kardis Mobile does not want to work on the same desk. I have to turn away to stop the interference.
I am not a screen expert by any means, but I know what feels bood to my eyes and what does not feel good. The Old Screen Technology on the 13" MacBook Air M1 and the Screen Technoloty on the now obsolete Intel MacBook Pros is better for my eyesight. I just cannot tone down the radiation coming from the newer screens. It hurts.
Also, the keyboards on the old Silver Intel MacBook Pros are superior in every way to the new keyboards on the Macs. The new Keyboards are slightly smaller and that is a problem to a touch typist. I learned to type 50 years ago in 2 weeks during 1 summer in high school. On a typewriter , I might add.
At somewhere along the way , it seems Apple has lost its way. And my major stock holding is Apple. I am disappointed. They need to get it together. The new keyboards are so far the same on all Macs. iMac, Mac, Mac Airs, etc. It costs less to use the same parts , keyboards. trackpads, etc.
John Gruber once said, it's the heaviness of the Mac that allows the iPad to be light (paraphrasing). The iPad (and iPhone) have replaced the Mac as the "computer for the rest of us" in Apple's lineup.
Exactly. The locking out of side loading, no true admin mode for installing and accessing things kills it from being a lot of things. The iPad is a great tool for a lot of things but the lack of true multi tasking or going to a full computer hurts. Big time now with using basically same chip as the Macs.
To me the single very lock down view of the vision hurts. I can not say show something to my wife while using it or share with my wife.
Using it puts me in my own world. Can not cook while using it as need to reference a recipe and so on.
It is super limited. The vision pro is cool but still generations to go to be great.
This is exactly why I will never ever purchase or use one. I spend enough time staring at glowing rectangles. The idea of strapping them directly to my face has zero appeal to me. No matter how "cool" it may be, Actual Reality >> Augmented Reality.
I obviously have no inside knowledge, but I think Ive had a foot out the door after Jobs’ passing. I don’t think glasses vs headset was the straw that broke the camels back as it were.
I don’t think the goal of glasses is about fashion as much as utility. I think Apple definitely wants to get there, because that’s more likely to see mass adoption than the headset, and that means more money for them. And, again, I think AR is more their goal. Cook has expressed that many times in the past. I think they see this as a first step.
Glasses will also have to come eventually because Facebook is already doing it. And Apple is not about to cede this market. Not a chance. They are just waiting to do it at a level and quality they are satisfied with.
Thank you! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with how silly this thing is.
Mac and MacOS ain’t going no where. It is THE dev machine. Apple vision won’t replace that. It’s a replacement for phones and monitors.Yes but Vision OS proves that Apple doesn't care about that anymore. Neither macOS nor anything like it will ever run on new hardware from an existing company ever again.
What is far, FAR more important to Apple than usability, is control of the platform. iPadOS is locked down in a way the Mac can't be, and that is what Apple wants. To the point of limiting the usability of VisionOS just to keep it locked down.
The day of general purpose, programmable, open operating systems is dead. They have come as far as they are going. There's Linux and BSD and that family, and that's it.
It makes me really sad to say that but until there is a company with incredibly deep pockets that cares more about software freedom than money, it's over. Google was that, for a while. Then Larry and Sergei made more money than god and moved to Singapore and stopped caring about the affairs of mortal men. Apple too, for a while, in a way. And we know what happened there.
Seriously dude.... NO it won't. And not for $3500 currently.
The Vision Pro will never be a mainstream device, at least not in the next decade+. It just won't be. People don't want to put stuff on their head, just like no one wants to sit down and put on 3D glasses to watch a movie at home. We've been through this before. The coolness factor of this will wear off after a few months of use, and it will just sit on shelves.
In fact, people get contact lenses JUST so they don't have to wear glasses!
And as as far as other comments, I agree:
- Windows 11 has turned to crap, which is a huge opportunity for Apple.
- The iPad is still crippled after all these years. And it's a M1 device! Missed opportunity by Apple, and it's no wonder the sales have gone down for it.
And I'm not saying Vision is dead... it's just a niche product. MORE niche than the Watch, iPad, and Mac. Apple has a looooong way to go to make it mainstream, if ever.
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For me, it's not necessarily that it's not running macOS. I don't mind the iOS-style interface at all. It's that it can't run programs that I need, as I can on my Mac. For example, R and RStudio. There's an RStudio cloud option, but it's not what I'm looking for - I'm often in areas with little reception so cloud services don't work well for me.
There are a bunch of other programs that are only available on Mac. If the iPad did run macOS, then I'd have a lot more options and it would be more of a replacement for me. Instead, these are simply not allowed on the iPad. Lift that restriction and I'm far more interested in the iPad as a Mac replacement. That said, I'd probably stick to Mac, at least for a while.
Right now, I use iPad more for my hobbies. Editing photos on it is mostly very good, and I really enjoy being able to directly touch them for edits. Not sure I'd want to edit video, at least, not just with a touch interface.
Anything trying to replace the Mac is doomed to fail. If the intent of the iPad was for it to replace the Mac, it was never going to happen. If the VP is intended as a Mac replacement it will also fail. The Mac has a physical keyboard and mouse with a full file system. These virtual touch inputs are no substitute for any of this. If anything, the VP is even less suitable with its floating keyboard. It’s way less anccurate than both the iPad and iPhone in this regard. And if the solution is using it with a physical keyboard as many people are doing, then what is the point? The iPad with a physical keyboard is basically a neutered Mac laptop that accomplished nothing particularly well.
I mean this isn’t even debatable. The VP, an accessory product, is more expensive than the devices it is an accessory to by a wide margin. I can’t even think of something more niche than this in the tech world.
By the time we add in all the physical accessories like keyboards and mice needed to make an iPad or, even more so, the VP, suitable Mac replacements, we might as well just use a Mac. I don’t see how the VP is useful as anything other than a simulated large-screen monitor for another device to use as screen real estate. If I need to use a physical keyboard and mouse and carry those around on top of a huge headset and multiple battery packs to keep the thing running, in addition to carrying a Mac around that can run actual desktop apps to use with the VP, how does this VP even justify its existence? It is a cool tech demo with little practical use. A Mac or an iPhone does everything people need tech to do better than this does.
Appreciate you sharing that with me… but dang does that look like something you want on your eye?
the consequence of a battery pack exploding on your eye, is big. But who knows, maybe. I would love to be wrong on this!