Apple Vision Pro Could Take Four Generations to Reach 'Ideal Form'

[Le0M]

So many comments...
But here's my two cents:
Apple should convert adapt all macOS apps.
Not only. They should gradually introduce more gestures, to the point it's gonna be crazy faster to work with compared to a mac.

Gestures and their combination are limitless, so are commands!

 

[arkmannj]

This will never be glasses so it’s not really realistic.

In my mind we’re probably my looking at something like swimming goggles. A form factor that can be fully immersive by blocking/allowing/projecting light from all conceivable angles to the eyes but without having to consume so much of your face. It’s going to be an interesting ride the next couple of decades regardless.

 

[Abazigal]

You’d need your Mac anyways though. Would you take just an iPad traveling?

I wonder if it would be possible to VNC into your Mac using the vision pro (I assume the app will be released for it one day). So you just need a wireless keyboard, mouse and internet connectivity and you can basically just leave your Mac at home.

 

[Schlotkins]

You’d need your Mac anyways though. Would you take just an iPad traveling?

my point is I don't have an iPad. I wasn't making an iPad vs AVP comment. Just a general comment that if you have to take a Mac, then the value of the AVP goes down a lot.

 

[Tagbert]

Needs 60% longer battery and needs to be 60% smaller. The tech to shrink it doesn’t exist.

Smaller and lighter for sure but I don’t see the battery life as one of the top problems to solve. I would suspect that most of the time you would be able to use it plugged into a USB-C power source. The battery is only a limitation if you are walking or in some place away from power. Home, office, planes, trains, and cars generally have power outlets or you could carry a secondary battery pack if its really important to you.

 

[Tagbert]

Personally I think it will take more than four generations to make this spatial computing vision a reality. Wearing a heavy headset that is disconnecting you from your surroundings is not going be the future. It will require a redesign using more advanced technology for the masses to adopt it.

I’m sure that is the plan and what Gurman is talking about. No one thinks that an opaque set of googles is the end goal.

 

[Jim Lahey]

oAny chance you were a tin foil cap too?

i am not scoffing, just pointing out you are talking without any data. I am a data person myself. Doom and gloom is easy. You might have the last length, but i suspect genetics has a lot more to say about lifetime than any of this meter stuff.

and yep, i am typing this while taking my life in my hands by wearing my AVP. While watching the superbowl. while chatting in discord with a friend about the game. Oh yes, so isolating lol

Change the record aye? I am simply explaining my own position and have repeatedly stated that you’re free to do as you wish. Maybe you should extend the same courtesy. I think you’re taking it a bit too personally.

 

[code-m]

I do wonder this. I imagine it’ll be like 2 or 3 years. think they’ll treat it like AirPods and the Mac Pro.

Apple has had some product flops in the past, is AVP going to be one of them? Apple has about 18 months to release something noteworthy on AVP otherwise it will be a niche product.

What does this product do better and more affordable that something on the market cannot achieve?

4K projectors are going for the same price if not less than AVP, granted you do need the wall space but it’s more flexible as far as content input and it can be shared and viewed by everyone in the room. AVP by contrast is an isolated experience, even an iPhone, iPad, AirPods and Mac can be shared by two or more people.

 

[Tagbert]

And this is another reason why I don't want one. I don't want to be constantly reminded of emails and texts. I don't want intrusive tech; I want tech that leaves me alone.

You do know that you can control what apps can display what kind of notifications. No one needs notices when emails come in. You are not powerless in this. That an easy fix.

 

[Surf Monkey]

If it was that size and a lower price it would catch on like wildfire. I liked those rumors about smaller glasses prototypes Apple was working on that offloaded most of the compute power to your iPhone. Makes total sense. Maybe we will get something like that down the line that’s kind of a watered down vision experience but better for most people

We’re years away from being able to put that much compute power into an iPhone.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Smaller and lighter for sure but I don’t see the battery life as one of the top problems to solve. I would suspect that most of the time you would be able to use it plugged into a USB-C power source. The battery is only a limitation if you are walking or in some place away from power. Home, office, planes, trains, and cars generally have power outlets or you could carry a secondary battery pack if its really important to you.

They need it to be mobile. There’s no real compelling reason to have an AR interface to the world if you’re attached to your desk. So yes, battery is an issue. A big one that isn’t going away.

 

[code-m]

We’re years away from being able to put their much compute power into an iPhone.

Not really, if you take an iPhone size, remove the battery, cameras, display, speakers etc there is a lot of room in the package to put in a M class chip. Considering it’s in the MacBook Air without a fan says something though it has the surface area for cooling a small fan can still fit in the dimensions.

 

[Surf Monkey]

oAny chance you were a tin foil cap too?

i am not scoffing, just pointing out you are talking without any data. I am a data person myself. Doom and gloom is easy. You might have the last length, but i suspect genetics has a lot more to say about lifetime than any of this meter stuff.

and yep, i am typing this while taking my life in my hands by wearing my AVP. While watching the superbowl. while chatting in discord with a friend about the game. Oh yes, so isolating lol

That doesn’t sound fun to me.

 

[code-m]

They need it to be mobile. There’s no real compelling reason to have an AR interface to the world if you’re attached to your desk. So yes, battery is an issue. A big one that isn’t going away.

Batman utility belt with USB-C battery packs for all day usage 😂

 

[Surf Monkey]

Not really, if you take an iPhone size, remove the battery, cameras, display, speakers etc there is a lot of room in the package to put in a M class chip. Considering it’s in the MacBook Air without a fan says something though it has the surface area for cooling a small fan can still fit in the dimensions.

Yes really. You conveniently downplay the heat issue but it’s still central to the problem.

 

[code-m]

I wonder if it would be possible to VNC into your Mac using the vision pro (I assume the app will be released for it one day). So you just need a wireless keyboard, mouse and internet connectivity and you can basically just leave your Mac at home.

Have you seen some of the carry cases for AVP, one is better off with a MBA plus no reliability/stability issues with internet or power being interrupted during a VNC.

 

[code-m]

Yes really. You conveniently downplay the heat issue but it’s still central to the problem.

Hence I mentioned small fans to cool it in an external case is much better than something hugging your face that is adding to the heat envelope.

 

[Macalway]

Now they tell us. Jeez

 

[Tagbert]

Is the spatial video from the iPhone really that good on the Vision Pro? As someone who is a photographer, it seemed gimmicky because the spatial separation between the lenses is much lower than human eyes (which would, to my understanding, limit the 3D effect vs. recording with the Vision Pro) and it’s cropping in on the wide angle lens for one side which is typically grainier, especially in low light conditions such as indoors.

From what I’ve heard, no the iPhone’s spacial video does suffer somewhat from lack of separation but it is still more impactful than just 2D video. if Apple changes the layout of the cameras on a future iPhone to space the cameras out that will make for better spatial videos.

 

[Abazigal]

Have you seen some of the carry cases for AVP, one is better off with a MBA plus no reliability/stability issues with internet or power being interrupted during a VNC.

I don't deny that this setup has numerous moving parts and it's all too easy for something to go wrong. But think about how cool it would be to have a Mac Studio running at home that you could remote into from abroad, and it would just be one of several windows you could have open in the vision pro.

It also makes me wonder why the vision pro doesn't come with with inbuilt cellular, forcing someone to tether to his phone. 🤔

 

[code-m]

I don't deny that this setup has numerous moving parts and it's all too easy for something to go wrong. But think about how cool it would be to have a Mac Studio running at home that you could remote into from abroad, and it would just be one of several windows you could have open in the vision pro.

It also makes me wonder why the vision pro doesn't come with with inbuilt cellular, forcing someone to tether to his phone. 🤔

Probably due to antenna design complexity, people thinking wifi will not be needed or think the battery life will be similar as on wifi.

Does the idea sound neat?; sure I guess but there are MBP with powerful enough chips that the use for an accessory VNC solution is just a nice to have but not resolving any issues that what is available now cannot be done.

If that AVP glass breaks it one expensive bill.

 

[gleepskip]

Change the record aye? I am simply explaining my own position and have repeatedly stated that you’re free to do as you wish. Maybe you should extend the same courtesy. I think you’re taking it a bit too personally.

He's a VP of a company; haughtiness is a primary qualification.

 

[doelcm82]

It's not about generations per se for me - it's all about form factor and functionality. Until it becomes like "glasses" I have no interest - like not even thinking about it. And I got the first iPhone in September 2007 - was fantastic from the get go.

I got the first iPhone at the same time. I lost or damaged it and I bought another one, because I liked it so much.

And I got the first Vision Pro.

We're both 13+ years older than we were and we both have 1st Gen iPhone cred. But I think the Vision Pro is fantastic from the get go. It's not what it's going to be, but then neither was the iPhone. One major difference is that the iPhone was pretty much what it was. It didn't get new functionality throughout its first year. I had to buy the iPhone 3G to get any real updates.

Vision Pro will steadily get more useful, even on this initial hardware. The apps will get more plentiful and they'll get better than they are now.

 

[JosephAW]

Didn’t see anyone wearing the VP at the big game 🏈

 

[CrysisDeu]

This will never be glasses so it’s not really realistic.

Yeah, but all the functionality I mentioned didn’t really need a whole vision pro to support.

A light weight vision pro glasses is impossible. But a light weight AR glass is.

The original post asked what can be achieved if apple built a glass that could be wore 24/7 and be around $500. I described exactly that.

The point is Vision Pro is on a wrong direction