Apple Vision Pro Could Take Four Generations to Reach 'Ideal Form'

[G5isAlive]

Maybe, yes. I‘m just a person (and many other with me) who do not want to wear a helmet all day long - maybe to look at an avatar who does also wear a helmet.

There are of course some usecases. But the Hololens concept of Microsoft didi it 10 years ago - perfect, no helmet, clear vision of your environment, super useful - but MS never managed to release it as a mass product (there is a military version in development, but also this one struggles).
And I do work on perfect 32“ monitors all day long - never would I switch to wearing heavy googles. But yes maybe with another 10 years and some billion dollars - who knows, maybe Apple releases the next google Glass/Hololens with rendering power of a PS5.

I have two offices, both are three monitor set ups, and I don’t feel tempted at all to wear the AVP when sitting in front of them. So we seem to agree on that.

The gap though is I don’t pack up my monitors and move them with me. And I, and many others like me, travel a lot for our jobs. Or sometimes just aren’t sitting in the office. I use my AVP all the time with my laptop and it’s one small screen (mba 15 m2). I love that no matter where I go I have an office with multiple big windows.

My understanding of the HoloLens is that it had neither the resolution nor the eye tracking gesture control of the AVP.

 

[GrayFlannel]

And this is another reason why I don't want one. I don't want to be constantly reminded of emails and texts. I don't want intrusive tech; I want tech that leaves me alone.

I can definitely appreciate that. As I mentioned, it’s aesthetically unappealing so I only wear it when leaving the house on local errands.

 

[anticipate]

It’s also not hdr. 1080p. 30fps.

You can use 3rd party apps to film spatial at 4k. It looks good. But I’m sure it’s been said here. The 3-D separation is not that great on the iPhone compared with the native AVP camera. Still cool though.

 

[macnomad]

Yaaay and £15k later, people get the product that should be here in the first place. Zzzz. Apple pricing on this is just out of the world crazy.

 

[AndiG]

My understanding of the HoloLens is that it had neither the resolution nor the eye tracking gesture control of the AVP.

Yes, but it has the better concept. Apple was working on something similar, but canceled it since the technology is not available today.

 

[nexusrule]

Bah, in 2023 without updates iPads made almost 30 billions with about 40 millions units sold, saying is a product without an identity or a giant iPhone is really ridiculous, except for my job (product design) I do everything on my iPad Pro, and that’s also because I get my MacBook Pro from my employee, most of my work it’s on Figma and google suite plus remote calls for meetings, I never tried but I could probably do it with the ipad and external display and input devices (same thing I do with my MacBook anyway) because the apps I use are all on iPad too. Ironically what I don’t use is my iPhone, I do as much as possible with my watch, looking at notifications, answering calls, timers, setting up reminders etc, because it’s less distracting. iPad and apple watch for me basically replaced Macs and iPhones. And looking at sales I suspect I am not the only one.

 

[nt5672]

How about me from personal experience? Been using VR heavily for 8 years and my vision is still 20/20.

How did that logic work out for smokers?

 

[ProfessionalFan]

They ran ads for it during the playoffs.

Yeah not exactly the same thing as the Super Bowl in terms of reach and prestige and I assume you know that.

 

[tomtad]

Yeah not exactly the same thing as the Super Bowl in terms of reach and prestige and I assume you know that.

And as you said it's completely intentional. And it's also why it's called the Pro from the off.

Apple doesn't want investors to think this is their big new all dominating product and they'll be, well doomed, if it doesn't pan out.

In fact all the advertising for Vision Pro has been lackluster, essentially just rehashed WWDC clips or some old movie clips spliced together.

 

[stickyd8]

The battery life isn't ideal, but they can introduce an improved, lighter, and longer lasting battery at any time. Personally, I don't want to wear any headset more than a couple of hours. The App Store is so-so at this point, but that will improve shortly. With that said, the device could definitely be much lighter. The weight is my only complaint at this point.

 

[Ron760]

Sounds about right. My first iPhone was a 4S.

I did buy the first iPad since I wanted a bigger iPhone screen and had a lot of cash then.

Apple Watch Series 3 was my first Apple Watch since I busted my Fitbit screen at the time, and the Apple Watch then seemed more mainstream. I did buy an Apple Watch case then to prevent screen damage. Now I am pretty careful with my Series 8 Stainless Steel with no protection.

I think I may purchase the Vision Pro when my MacBook Air M1 retires. I mainly use a MacBook for personal use, emails, and web browsing. I know the Vision Pro has more than enough power for that.

I haven’t demoed the Vision Pro yet. Someday I will.

My VR experience: I have used those cardboard VR boxes for my former Google Pixel and iPhones. I have also tried a “Virtual Boy” at the mall. Hopefully I don’t get dizzy with a Vision Pro like I have with those products.

 

[Ethosik]

remember when everyone said the iPad was just a big iPod touch? Someone said that to me in the apple store at launch when i was buying my OG model.

in a way it is but there is a lot of use for iPad over the touch lmao. I do wish they'd make more use of the hardware and make the OS more advanced.

Yes. To some people just the bigger size is better. So what if it’s just a big iPhone. I want something that is 12.9” thank you. I’ll get another if they come out with a 16” one.

 

[doelcm82]

The apps might get better but still useless for work. Look at the iPad.

Why. I see a lot of people using iPads for work.

 

[doelcm82]

How did that logic work out for smokers?

There are smokers with 20/20 vision.

 

[centauratlas]

Yep, the problem is that we don't know. There are articles about LEDs being hard on the eyes, but there is really no trustworthy independent source that confirms or denies that.

We do know that 100s of scientific studies are retracted monthly. Many from big name institutions. Unfortunately, today no one should be trusting any scientific studies unless they publicly publish all data used in the study and have independent 3rd parties replicate the studies findings.

In some cases (e.g. having a transmitter right by your brain for long periods) I find it preferable to be in the control group vs the experimental group.

 

[jclardy]

Am i the only 1 that thinks its a really bad idea having led screens that close to your eyes?
I don’t think these products will ever truly go mainstream or be good for long term use

It could be, but I don't think any studies have been done yet. AVP users will be the guinea pigs...(me included 🤣)

One thing though - it might actually be beneficial if the issue is related to focal distance. The "screens" in the AVP are focally about 6 feet away, which I feel is actually better than most iPhone/iPad/laptop displays.

 

[jclardy]

[double post]

 

[ifxf]

When Apple releases new hardware will version 1 follow PCs in its depreciation. I doubt it will hold value like an iphone.

 

[lazyrighteye]

Personally I think it will take more than four generations to make this spatial computing vision a reality. Wearing a heavy headset that is disconnecting you from your surroundings is not going be the future. It will require a redesign using more advanced technology for the masses to adopt it.

I guess it depends on the duration between "generations." With this device, 4 generations could easily span a decade.
I'm interested to watch the platform's evolution.

 

[nylonsteel]

i dont have 4 generations to wait for it

 

[anthonymoody]

4 generations could easily span a decade.

Yeah ultimately this is the question, assuming that 4 generations is otherwise accurate. Given the current pricing structure, and the fact that we need more than simply "faster processors" to make meaningful updates to the hardware, it wouldn't surprise me if this product category is indeed a 2-3 year/gen sort of thing.

For my part though, I'll probably pull the trigger when they unleash persistent windows (so I can have a 'work environment' ready whenever, and so that even if the battery dies it saves the set up), and multiple desktop mirroring.

 

[wanha]

Worst, a large iPod.

On one hand, this is true.

On the other hand, the size of the screen fundamentally changes the nature of a device.

A TV is ultimately just a giant display but how you use it and what you use it for changes massively depending on if that display is 10" or 70"

 

[No5tromo]

Sounds about right, my immediate impression was that this is at least 10 years away before it becomes any sort of mainstream consumer product (and that with leaps in hardware, software and design improvements), and given that it looks like there will be a new model release every 2 years, 4 generations is a realistic goal

 

[WarmWinterHat]

The apps might get better but still useless for work. Look at the iPad.

I work for a hospital and we have around 2000 iPads. Every nurse and practitioner carries one, we carry them in the pharmacy and even EVS carries them on their shifts.

That said, the vision pro will never replace these. Bedside manner is out the window if someone walks into a room wearing one of these. We (royal) have zero Macs on the premises.

 

[Realityck]

I work for a hospital and we have around 2000 iPads. Every nurse and practitioner carries one, we carry them in the pharmacy and even EVS carries them on their shifts.

That said, the vision pro will never replace these. Bedside manner is out the window if someone walks into a room wearing one of these. We (royal) have zero Macs on the premises.

I bet you have a few Macs for your IT dept, otherwise how could you service iPads using Apple Configurator 2? Unless your support is externally contracted for all those iPads. AVP is just not a practical solution for roaming support like the iPads are.