Apple Vision Pro Launches in UK, Canada, France, Germany, and Australia

[lilkwarrior]

I’m not sure anyone would admit to this, but I’m wondering if those that are most impressed with it don’t have a lot of previous VR headset experience.

I remember my first VR headset experience and you can get distracted by how impressive that is at first glance before the realities of the experience in

…The Vision Pro meets unmet needs several XR headsets do not fulfill fundamentally (with the Quest Pro failing spectacularly to accommodate prosumers last gen): It’s a prosumer standalone headset on par with several problems hardware at very established desired traits for a headset to match:

- Prosumer HDR and picture quality support to work alongside actual prosumer hardware and create/product premium spatial content on par with non-XR hardware (enabled in place consumption of existing non-XR content at a premium levels other headsets cannot do)

- Integration with established well regarded prosumer hardware/software (iPad Pro, Macbook Pro, iPhone Pro, Mac Pro, Mac Studio)

- Backed by an entity with the clout and ecosystem to have a pleasant dev experience for early adopters and high-end/enterprise app development that will never be in mainstream/public stores.

- A laptop class APU to do meaningful things with not available before; the Meta headsets in comparison have mobile-class APUs.

The Vision Pro provides such things while other headsets aren’t even an option because of their limitations that make sense for their limited scope.

It’s not unlike a happy console player who nonetheless still have a prosumer PC with a 4090+ GPU, 64+GB RAM & etc for far more ideal prosumer tasks such as content production, research, and AI work.

People who want to do me meaningful things with a spatial computing headset had no real option before the Vision Pro unfortunately.

Such needs are fundamentally expensive for any device category; prosumer monitors and other prosumer hardware such as the Mac Studio and 4090 have costed thousands being scoffed at by mainstream users for years.

 

[lilkwarrior]

I just hope there will be demand for healthier displays in the future when major portion of population goes blind before 30. I had a poor vision since school because of accidental self trauma, but only thanks to my old OLED iPhone 11 Pro in just 1.5 years my vision deteriorated TWICE because I worked with this phone (social media). And I have been in front of screens since my childhood, during university days too. And the older LCD displays weren’t as eye-damaging as the new OLED ones

Working with spatial computing headsets with high PPI and nits brightness as much as a Vision Pro are actually better for your eyes in a variety of ways than most panels being less straining and far more fluid to adjust for optimal eye comfort in ways you cannot do as easily with other panels.

Very few have very bright (1000+ sustained nits), and 218+ PPI monitors (5K+ 27” monitor, 6K+ 32” monitord) to rival a Vision Pro and hopefully better prosumer headsets.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Working with spatial computing headsets with high PPI and nits brightness as much as a Vision Pro are actually better for your eyes in a variety of ways than most panels being less straining and far more fluid to adjust for optimal eye comfort in ways you cannot do as easily with other panels.

Very few have very bright (1000+ sustained nits), and 218+ PPI monitors (5K+ 27” monitor, 6K+ 32” monitord) to rival a Vision Pro and hopefully better prosumer headsets.

Fixed focal distance. Not good for your eyes.

 

[mosesvii]

I’m not sure anyone would admit to this, but I’m wondering if those that are most impressed with it don’t have a lot of previous VR headset experience.

I remember my first VR headset experience and you can get distracted by how impressive that is at first glance before the realities of the experience in

I can't speak for everyone, but I've had a lot of experience in VR. I've owned the Oculus Go, Quest 2 and 3, PlayStation VR, and PSVR2.

I've sold everything except the Quest 3. I picked up my Vision Pro yesterday, and I'll be selling my Quest 3 this weekend.

I spent 10 hours in the VP yesterday and loved it. For me, it's on an entirely different level than the other headsets I've owned. It has some limitations, but for my purposes, it's on an entirely different level when compared to the others.

 

[eifelbube]

Apple's Vision Pro spatial computing headset today arrived at Apple Store locations in the United Kingdom, Canada, France, Germany, and Australia. The device was previously only available in Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, mainland China, and the United States.

Consumer interest in the $3,499 headset has slowed at home, and Apple will be hoping its new availability in international markets will provide a shot in the arm for ailing sales. The headset has yet to sell 100,000 units in the quarter since it launched in the U.S. in February, according to market tracker IDC.

Apple's first-ever mixed reality headset offers both augmented and virtual reality features, and it is controlled with a combination of your eyes, hands, and voice. Overall, the feedback on the Vision Pro has been varied. Many users appreciate the device's advanced hardware and technology.

However, there are concerns regarding its functionality, the ease of use of the gesture-based controls, and the device's weight and comfort during extended use. Additionally, the general application of VR technology and the limited content available for the device have drawn criticism.

Apple Stores are offering customers free Vision Pro demos on a first-come, first-served basis. It is also possible to reserve a Vision Pro demo online, with slots available over the course of the next week.

Article Link: Apple Vision Pro Launches in UK, Canada, France, Germany, and Australia

Welcome to the era of facial computing …

 

[lilkwarrior]

Fixed focal distance. Not good for your eyes.

…You have not talked to an eye specialist on the matter have you?

What is the primary concern with spatial computing once high enough picture quality is not forgetting to blink regularly which can result in dry eyes.

Best practices to look away from screens after typical timed intervals such as 20 minutes are easier to ignore with a header naturally than other screens

 

[Surf Monkey]

…You have not talked to an eye specialist on the matter have you?

I’ve read up on the topic.

What is the primary concern with spatial computing once high enough picture quality is not forgetting to blink regularly which can result in dry eyes.

Fixed focal distance is not good for your eyes. It leads to myopia.

Best practices to look away from screens after typical timed intervals such as 20 minutes are easier to ignore with a header naturally than other screens

No one is going to take it off every 20 minutes.

 

[Mr_Ed]

…As a HCI/UX professional that have worked for government, educational, and enterprise entries in Silcon Valley, Zürich, and New York for over a decade I strongly disagree.

The very definition of prosumer has much more to do with other things than where products are sold.

B&H and Apple store itself are very common prosumer retail locations that very much sell prosumer products that are not for most people in addition to pure consumer products.

A prosumer product by the very definition is a product that you can consume and produce with—the things you can consume/product being at a quality ideal or recognized as professional quality.

As a person that have worked on unreleased products and even political campaigns, what you’re saying about need-to-know content is nonsense and arbitrary.

It’s important especially with legal and global-affairs-related need to know content usually ideal and beneficial to make private even amongst co-workers working global multi-national companies.

A spatial computing headset combined with a mobile device manages (MDM) profile enables this within and outside the office for enterprise, educational, and government employees.

The Vision Pro by no coincidence has such things in addition to Apple’s other prosumer hardware.

“Prosumer” is still “consumer”. It is sold through retail channels instead of B2B. I explained this to you in another thread, yet here we are with your usual wall of text claiming “Prosumer” is something other than consumer

You may be working for a very hopelessly conservative and draconian employer, household, or upbringing to think otherwise.

Or more likely, your work to date has not been anywhere near as “sensitive” as you so badly want to believe.

 

[doelcm82]

And again, you’re taking it out of the context of the discussion. I (and several others) asked for examples of what makes Vision unique and revolutionary. What can it do that just can’t be done with any other hardware? The post you’re responding to exists inside that CONTEXT and only makes sense when considered as part of the whole discussion. I’d suggest you read back a few pages before attempting to shame me again without any just cause.

Sorry I didn't pick up on the "unique and revolutionary" part which is a purely judgmental. I was answering THIS comment:

What single function does Vision do BETTER than a Mac?

And I said spatial computing. I could also add eye-tracking, though future Macs might have this feature. I don't know.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Sorry I didn't pick up on the "unique and revolutionary" part which is a purely judgmental. I was answering THIS comment:

And I said spatial computing. I could also add eye-tracking, though future Macs might have this feature. I don't know.

That doesn’t answer the question. Looks like you didn’t read back.

 

[lilkwarrior]

I’ve read up on the topic.



Fixed focal distance is not good for your eyes. It leads to myopia.



No one is going to take it off every 20 minutes.

…Reading about it is not substiute to talking to actual eye specialists on the matter.

Regarding Myopia: Myopia is more correlated to excessive screen time. The Vision Pro enables flexible viewing distnaces of subject matter to increasingly decrease risk of Myopia similar to spatial computing with great pixel density, PPD, and etc enables far less eye strain than typical displays to be overall more benefiical to eyes than a most panels extensive screen time can happen on.

The most concerning problem eye specialists have with screens up close for long lengths of times is people who are prone to not blink when consuming or working on visually stimulating things.

As far as "No one is going to take it off every 20 minutes": That's a personal problem just like those who don't do so excessively for very long screen session with regular monitors for optimal moisturized eyes.

 

[lilkwarrior]

“Prosumer” is still “consumer”. It is sold through retail channels instead of B2B. I explained this to you in another thread, yet here we are with your usual wall of text claiming “Prosumer” is something other than consumer

Or more likely, your work to date has not been anywhere near as “sensitive” as you so badly want to believe.

…I did not argue prosumer isn't consumer (it's in the name); what a strawman. I pointed out correctly there is a distinct and well established difference. Prosumer devices cannot be maximized in value or fully utilized being a pure consumer and/or not using content on them that is of high-end/professional quality–whether that's a 4090, iPad Pro, Mac Pro, Mac Studio, etc.

If you want to continually ignore established business, design, and marketing academia on the matter, that's frankly not my problem nor established hardware companies that conistently provide quality prosumer products/services. You simply cannot rewrite history of what the term originally means and its strategic merit with the design of products today.

As far as work: You can believe what you believe vs. actual reality; we're anonymous computer users at the end of the day that can claim anything and everything about ancedotal experiences increasingly irrelevant to others–especially prosumers.

What's more important and relevant to others is the fact there is absolutely a tangible benfit of a personal computing device being private in the matter spatial computing can be that other devices cannot compete with in ease, convenience, and practicability.

Whether it's

- a teen/partner who want privacy of their computing amongst significant others and peers

- A professional who doesn't want their personal work (or even non-work) isolated from others in place of a cubicle or private office

- Someone who simply doesn't want others seeing their computing in public spaces or being serviced like getting a manicure

There is absolute value in ease of private computing capabilities of a spatial computing headset over other computing hardware.

It's far more convenient and easier than privacy filters and so on.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I spent 10 hours in the VP yesterday and loved it. For me, it's on an entirely different level than the other headsets I've owned. It has some limitations, but for my purposes, it's on an entirely different level when compared to the others.

Nice! Good to hear you've found something you love
Enjoy!

 

[markol]

I can't speak for everyone, but I've had a lot of experience in VR. I've owned the Oculus Go, Quest 2 and 3, PlayStation VR, and PSVR2.

I've sold everything except the Quest 3. I picked up my Vision Pro yesterday, and I'll be selling my Quest 3 this weekend.

I spent 10 hours in the VP yesterday and loved it. For me, it's on an entirely different level than the other headsets I've owned. It has some limitations, but for my purposes, it's on an entirely different level when compared to the others.

Genuinely curious - what purpose are you planning to use the Vision Pro for?

 

[Surf Monkey]

…Reading about it is not substiute to talking to actual eye specialists on the matter.

Sorry. That kind of appeal to authority fallacy isn’t advancing the conversation at all. I don’t have to speak with an “eye specialist” in order to understand the risks of a fixed focal distance. Did you consult an expert in person regarding every assertion you’ve made? No. Of course you haven’t.

Regarding Myopia: Myopia is more correlated to excessive screen time.

Or being in an enclosed space where you can’t focus on something further than 20 feet away.

The Vision Pro enables flexible viewing distnaces of subject matter to increasingly decrease risk of Myopia similar to spatial computing with great pixel density, PPD, and etc enables far less eye strain than typical displays to be overall more benefiical to eyes than a most panels extensive screen time can happen on.

And you’ve consulted with an “eye specialist” about this? Nope. My point stands. A fixed focal distance (which is what Vision has) presents problems for your eyes over an extended period of time (more than 20 minutes at a stretch.)

The most concerning problem eye specialists have with screens up close for long lengths of times is people who are prone to not blink when consuming or working on visually stimulating things.

According to you? Or did you consult an “eye specialist”?

As far as "No one is going to take it off every 20 minutes": That's a personal problem just like those who don't do so excessively for very long screen session with regular monitors for optimal moisturized eyes.

Sure. And Apple doesn’t market it as a media consumption device that you’re going to watch a movie or a sporting event in. Again, point stands. No one is going to take it off every 20 minutes. So your comments regarding that are irrelevant.

 

[Mr_Ed]

…I did not argue prosumer isn't consumer (it's in the name); what a strawman.

So you agree there is nothing special or relevant about whether or not it is a “prosumer” device when discussing its merits as a consumer device? If so, that takes care of one wall of text.

As far as work: You can believe what you believe vs. actual reality; we're anonymous computer users at the end of the day that can claim anything and everything about ancedotal experiences increasingly irrelevant to others–especially prosumers.

What's more important and relevant to others is the fact there is absolutely a tangible benfit of a personal computing device being private in the matter spatial computing can be that other devices cannot compete with in ease, convenience, and practicability.

Whether it's

- a teen/partner who want privacy of their computing amongst significant others and peers

- A professional who doesn't want their personal work (or even non-work) isolated from others in place of a cubicle or private office

- Someone who simply doesn't want others seeing their computing in public spaces or being serviced like getting a manicure

There is absolute value in ease of private computing capabilities of a spatial computing headset over other computing hardware.

It's far more convenient and easier than privacy filters and so on.

Anyone THAT concerned about computing privately would simply not do so around other people. Now THAT is more convenient and easier than spending $4k to wear a computer on their face.

 

[Surf Monkey]

…I did not argue prosumer isn't consumer (it's in the name); what a strawman. I pointed out correctly there is a distinct and well established difference. Prosumer devices cannot be maximized in value or fully utilized being a pure consumer and/or not using content on them that is of high-end/professional quality–whether that's a 4090, iPad Pro, Mac Pro, Mac Studio, etc.

If you want to continually ignore established business, design, and marketing academia on the matter, that's frankly not my problem nor established hardware companies that conistently provide quality prosumer products/services. You simply cannot rewrite history of what the term originally means and its strategic merit with the design of products today.

As far as work: You can believe what you believe vs. actual reality; we're anonymous computer users at the end of the day that can claim anything and everything about ancedotal experiences increasingly irrelevant to others–especially prosumers.

What's more important and relevant to others is the fact there is absolutely a tangible benfit of a personal computing device being private in the matter spatial computing can be that other devices cannot compete with in ease, convenience, and practicability.

Whether it's

- a teen/partner who want privacy of their computing amongst significant others and peers

- A professional who doesn't want their personal work (or even non-work) isolated from others in place of a cubicle or private office

- Someone who simply doesn't want others seeing their computing in public spaces or being serviced like getting a manicure

There is absolute value in ease of private computing capabilities of a spatial computing headset over other computing hardware.

It's far more convenient and easier than privacy filters and so on.

I don’t buy the privacy argument. All you’re taking about is people looking over your shoulder. The solution to that is not to do critical work on confidential documents in a place where people can look over your shoulder. Turning your whole computer into a face mask is a poor security measure that doesn’t really solve a problem. It’a a case of drastic overkill for a made up problem that’s easily solvable with virtually no effort and no face computer.

Also, “prosumer” is a marketing term. Just like “entry-level” or “enthusiast” or “sport model.” While it’s true that many companies use consumer products in a business context that is NOT the distinction under debate. What we’re talking about is the difference between consumer products and enterprise products. Enterprise products do NOT cross over with the consumer market. No one is buying Lenovo servers to play games in their basement for example.

 

[richinaus]

I can't speak for everyone, but I've had a lot of experience in VR. I've owned the Oculus Go, Quest 2 and 3, PlayStation VR, and PSVR2.

I've sold everything except the Quest 3. I picked up my Vision Pro yesterday, and I'll be selling my Quest 3 this weekend.

I spent 10 hours in the VP yesterday and loved it. For me, it's on an entirely different level than the other headsets I've owned. It has some limitations, but for my purposes, it's on an entirely different level when compared to the others.

100% agree. It is on a different level especially if it is right for you.
Having played with one yesterday, my confidence in Apple increased massively to be able to deliver something truly amazing in 3-5 years time that is more aligned in pricing and size for the customers.

 

[svish]

Good to see it launching in more countries. Expecting availability in even more regions in the coming months.

 

[Zest28]

Dangerous move by Apple launching it in the EU because it doesn’t allow you run Meta Horizon OS along with it’s App Store on it.

 

[The Game 161]

£4k as without the applecare, good luck forking the cost out for repair

I can’t imagine any buying this without apple care

 

[The Game 161]

And average is only that high due to a small group of greedy people not paying their staff well. Most people are earning much less than £35k too.

Indeed

the 2 jobs which I have to interview people for the salary is only 25,600 😕

 

[danbalsh]

Wasn’t prepared for how good the demo would be, the immersive video demo is just 🤯

Does anyone know the music track that’s played across the demo, not eh Alicia Keys bit 😂

 

[nebo1ss]

Wow not a single article or tv report about this here in Germany as far as I could see. Where is the buzz? Even the iPhone is still getting acknowledged each fall.

The only report I saw about it I in the UK is there there was a grand total on one person in the line.

 

[Seamaster]

As many as that?