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Rolex and other high end watches have that dial (crown) too and they are water resistant.

If the Apple watch were constructed like a Rolex, you would end up with a far larger, heavier and more expensive device. Also, a Rolex has no external moving parts to seal. The crown alone is o-ring sealed and must be screwed down tight to maintain that seal.
 
I think they're pretty ******. Millennials will be buying this and since you can only have one watch on a wrist the Swiss will lose.

Can only have one watch? According to whom? I have two wrists, I'll wear two if I get the Apple watch. Keep the Rollie for street cred.
 
Sure it would. You can swim in a swimming pool.. Not every one swims to ~30 feet deep!

You misunderstand water resistance ratings. You can't go scuba diving to 100 feet with a watch that's rated water resistant to 100 ft. Any movement or shock to the watch applies additional pressure equivalent to being submerged considerably deeper.
 
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Of course for some the non-round display is a non-starter so anything else is ugly.

A round display makes little sense for a smart watch. While it's fine for displaying a round interface like a clock, it's a very inefficient shape for displaying text and images. You're generally wasting about 20% of the screen, along with the battery and processing power to drive that wasted screen space.
 
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Ive got a Garmin watch for triathlon stuff, would be interesting to see how accurate the calorie counts are against Garmin v apple. But using the :apple: watch to track a marathon distance run & having to take your phone with you too. hmm i'd stick with the garmin unless the gpx files from gps tracking can be read by Garmin & also :apple: watch.
Not too sure on the design, 2nd-3rd Gen should be much thinner. hopefully design more like iPhone 5 & not original iPhone blob !
love the drawing feature, should be very amusing during boring work meetings.
early Jan i'll still throw my money at them tho !! here take it !
 
How can it do Apple Pay offline using bluetooth? The bluetooth is connecting it to the iPhone which is online.

The watch itself never has any direct connection to the internet. With "Offline" I think they mean that the Iphone doesn't have any internet connection. They didn't demonstrate how Apple Pay will function with the watch. Maybe it is considered secured enough that the watch is paired with your iphone and you just hold the watch in front of the NFC-reader.
 
I forgot for a second that the 6 isn't water resistant =/

I know that's crackers. Samsung is going to hammer them on this in their advertising especially in a wet and rainy country like the UK. Maybe it never rains in California.
 
Could you explain why something that is water resistant to 33 feet isn't suitable for swimming? And yes, I read your previous post. It doesn't answer this question.

My childhood watches were often waterproof to 30 feet and I swam with them all the time without issue. Unless you DROP the thing so it drifts to the bottom of a very deep pool it won't even get close to 33 feet. Most pools aren't even much deeper than 10 feet!

http://deloachwatchservice.com/other_stuff/water_resistancy.htm

"According to guidelines issued by the Federal Trade Commission, since the 1960's, watch marketers are not allowed to label their watches "water-proof". This aided us to achieve truthfulness and accuracy of product labeling and advertising. Even watches designed for deep-sea diving cannot claim to be waterproof. The seals that keep water out are not completely impervious and their effectiveness can be reduced over time with age, deterioration, and exposure to chemicals."

"Although they may withstand this condition for a while, if continually subjected to this situation, they will eventually leak."

"if you need a watch to be water resistant enough to be able to submerge it below the surface of the water, be sure to get one that is designed with a screw-down crown and a screw-down case back."

"water resistancy is measured in a static condition, under the pressure of a certain depth in the water, and velocity is a function of that pressure. The faster the watch travels against or through the water - like getting sprayed with a garden hose, plunging your arm in the water while swimming, or even taking a shower - the greater the pressure against the watch and could exceed the degree of water resistancy engineered for that timepiece. So, even for a watch that is water resistant to 100 feet, or approximately 30 meters, water can force it's way passed the crystal seal, case-back gasket, the setting crown, or push buttons."

"10 Meters - 33 Feet - 1 ATM - A watch with this resistance level is protected against accidental exposure to water; for example, splashes, perspiration or accidental immersion. It should not be exposed to any water pressure."

"50 Meters - 165 Feet - 5 ATM - A watch with this level of resistance is wearable around household sinks, while playing sports and while swimming in shallow water. Do not wear it while bathing, snorkeling or scuba diving."

As you can see, water resistance ratings are not intuitive and are generally misunderstood by the general public. Unlike Samsung, who I'm sure are happy to hide behind some legalese allowing them to claim water resistance, Apple doesn't want to touch this with a ten foot pole. More than likely the Apple Watch is resistant to 1ATM but they will not advertise this because uninformed consumers will inevitably take it down to 33 feet and then complain when it leaks.
 
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I have had this watch for 24 years. Worn every day for work. I have dived with it. Dug holes, its had 1 new strap (after 24 years i can still get it repaired with original parts IE the Strap) and 5 batteries. It tells the time. I keeps very good time and requires no software update. I do not need to charge it every day or so, Worry that i left the charger at home. It also has Sapphire Crystal Glass. I also have other Swiss Timepieces which require no batteries and are pure works of art in mechanical terms. Somethings are meant to last. I will not be getting into this as its not needed. It won't be long before in the UK they are banned whilst driving . Banned on construction sites due to the distractions they can cause. Apple please concentrate on other things. Can we have a new cinema display. A Macbook air without the huge bezel.

Oh, lord. Save us the Luddite nonsense.

I'm sure when the first mp3 players came out, people ranted about how it was completely unnecessary to buy one since they already own an entire CD collection and can play them at home, in a discman, or in their car. Who would EVER want something silly like an MP3 player?

We're on probably the 50th round of this "who would ever want this?" debate. Gets old already.
 
We're talking about swimming, not diving.

99% of swimmers on earth have never come close to 33 feet below the water.

You probably don't know this, but it is the worst case of traditional false advertising: A watch that claims to be waterproof up to ten meters _will_ fail when you go swimming. And if you complain because you didn't go even two meters deep, they will laugh at you.

If you want a watch that survives normal swimming, it needs to be at least waterproof up to 50 meters.
 
how scratch resistant is it?

For models with steel case and sapphire crystal, as scratch resistant as a high end ($1000+) watch.

For models with aluminum case and Ion-X glass, as scratch resistant as your iPhone.

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Doubt the watch will ever work with anything outside the iOS/OSX ecosystem.

Most of us are quire alright with that "limitation."

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It would have been wonderful if it kept changing (the UI) but it stood still and everyone else just stood on its shoulders/out innovated IMO

"More" and "Bigger" do not equal innovation.

Apple prefers to focus on "Best" and "solving actual problems."
 
This is the crap they come out with when steve is not around....

I know that you are just trying to be facetious. Here's the reality:

This watch comes in a huge variety of different designs, and there are some that I like enough that I would consider buying one just as a watch. Other people have different tastes, and I'm sure they would find a watch they like as well. Compared to Samsung's "stalker watch", which most people wouldn't want to be seen dead with, and which is basically impossible to sell to half the population (women).

Watches are first of all fashion items. Apple has realised this and created a watch that works as a fashion item. That alone will make them outsell every other smart watch in the market by a mile.

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However, as I watched the live stream I immediately changed my mind and thought, "I'd love one of those." I think the design is very striking and quite beautiful - a proper jewellery-level design - albeit not in the "round" form-factor but reminiscent of the Bell & Ross, Richard Mille and even some Baume & Mercier styles. The idea of easily interchangeable straps appeals, and the functionality is more than enough for me. Being honest, apart from telling me the time and day/date all my other watches do very little else anyway:)

I hope the crown is also interchangeable. If you look at the images, the crown comes in different designs matching the wrist bands.
 
Don't know if this has been answered but how is the Watch supposed to work with Pay if there is no TouchID on the Watch?

It has to be paired via Bluetooth with the iPhone and pre-authorized. As soon as the watch gets out of range of the iPhone it loses connection and you can't pay anymore.
 
Let's see, all the major Apple media outlets reported the same story.

Have you seen any articles refuting those claims? Thought so.

Also, how do you know he didn't say that? You seem so sure.

Cite any article that has a direct quote.
 
I can't get over how many people want to shower with a watch on. Lmfao. Your in the shower to clean, not tell the time

I'm worried about heavy workouts. What's the purpose of the fitness crap if you might damage the watch with salty sweat? I know that all the Android Wear watches are IP67 water and dust resistant. With the Apple Watch no such claim was made yesterday at any established industry standard.
 
Sex in the shower? :p

And you are looking at your watch? :rolleyes:

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I thought they just said in this post it was water resistant? You shouldn't have to take it off in the shower.

"Water resistant" means: No need to panic if it starts raining a bit. If you can stand the rain without a coat, so will the watch. It means taking off the watch in the shower, unless you want to pay for a new one.
 
So I could have a heart rate detecting watch while swimming, since as far as I'm aware, none exists. I'm a swimmer and I have no clue about my max or average heart rate when I do my laps because when you stop after a lap and count your heart rate, it has already slowed down.

Not as I understand it, since the Apple Watch appears not to be water resistant enough to take swimming. I've heard you can do it with a suitable Garmin and HRM strap, but I've also heard some mixed results from people who've tried.
 
If we're getting offline apple pay - don't suppose anyone knows how it's secured on the apple watch? I can't find that out anywhere and I don't think it's said that the watch has touch ID
 
The watch itself never has any direct connection to the internet. With "Offline" I think they mean that the Iphone doesn't have any internet connection. They didn't demonstrate how Apple Pay will function with the watch. Maybe it is considered secured enough that the watch is paired with your iphone and you just hold the watch in front of the NFC-reader.

Watch has NFC. Using NFC does not need a WIFI. You just wave it in front of the reader like a card (you never seen credit card use WIFI, right?).
 
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