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Apple's Dan Riccio Says 2018 iPad Pro 'Meets or Exceeds' Quality Standards of Design and Precision, More Info to Come
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I hope this particular sub-subject is considered closed by all involved.
Remember, Apple is our common factor - our friend and sometimes tyrannical enemy.
You only show a Lack of production understanding. Perfection is possible for years, it’s just a question of money. Apple can set their limit, Foxconn will shred every device which doesn’t meet. Hence apple just wasn’t willing to take the higher cost, I only say cook!
My iPhone 7 was replaced 3 times now - it’s pure crap compared to my 4s ... apple was willing to take the cost here, but it was a gamble by them ... they could have just produced a better phone
I never needed a screen protector until Generation 6 ... now without the glass is scratched always.
I really wonder for the consumer who buys this stuff and pays for repairs, ...
Your sarcasm doesn’t work. This 2 guys should really be fired.
Ive is completely nuts and Tim pure greed.
If You are interested I can tell You exactly what would be right and better.
Take the new iPad design, hard edges should be used on iPhone for better handling. Rounded edges would be perfect for the iPad, looks beautiful and handling is not the problem for the bigger device.
First pro generation and pencil was a joke, still wondering why I bought that crap. New generation was easily possible back then, they just decided to deliver crap and pay no attention. Huge fault from both of them
The watch, was a mess when starting and developed by this forum and the consumer. Now they place it as a health device, nonsense, it should be placed as an iPhone replacement, independent, and more expensive.
The MacBook is just a joke nowadays, we could manufacture keyboards 30 years ago. if You can’t do better don’t do it. And Ives can’t do better he’s just sacrificing everything on the altar of his weird design ego! Usbc only on a pro device our consultants cant even connect their notebooks to any infrastructure without dongles a complete joke. The MacBook with usbc only is ok, but never a pro device!
This started with bug riddled iOS rollouts and hardware design issues on various models like the iPhone 5 (remember the grip of death?) etc, it's a vicious spiral going down into a dark hole that is making you lose ground Apple. For this reason and also a very bad feeling when you rolled out the iPhone X, I decided not to upgrade to any new Apple models of any kind. My iPhone 8 and iWatch series 3 regularly get updates for "bugs" on other models - who knows what you "secretly" add in your "bug" fixes? Although I am happy with the Apple eco system (hence why I am still using it), paying a premium for a device that costs you almost nothing to make and then ending up with design issues as well as software issues is the quickest way for any tech company to go down the drain. Sorry Apple - I am saying this with tears in my eyes, you are no longer the "golden boy company" that made my heart pound with excitement at every WWDC event... To date, I've had 2 iPhones with design defects under recall (that had to be fixed by an iStore) and one iWatch series 1. Bad track record Apple. This? a bent iPad (and new for that matter) and you passing it off as within acceptable operating parameters?? Sorry Apple, you need to go back to the drawing board and ensure you can come back from an incident like this with your chin held high saying, "sorry, we made a mistake - we will replace all your iPads for free" as nothing else will suffice...
I have the 1st gen iPad Pro and when I look down the side of it I’d say it has a slight curve, but it’s kind of masked by the curve of the edge and general design. The problem with the new ones is that they are designed to look like this perfect slab of aluminium so the slightest bend is very evident. Someone obviously had it in their head that it had to have these perfect lines, but it comes across that no one actually tested it thoroughly.
Allow me to go a little precise here. (aka, scientific, nerdish or geek-like)
All of the specs below are for the boxed product at purchase.
400 microns across 25 cm is not visible to the naked eye - no matter at which point of the length of the iPad the deviation starts. Typically midpoint.
Shine a light and examine it when the iPad is placed on a "real" flat surface, preferably glass, maybe we can see it.
These are college physics lab conditions, Black Mirror precise. This Dan guy is B.S - Apple stores don't have the capability to verify this.
Is it 401microns or 399 microns - how will they prove/decide? If it is 400 microns, what happens?
I 4-wheel align my 10+ year old cars annually - the regular mechanic refers me to a different shop to get the alignment done. They provide the exact angles pre and post adjustment. No nonsensical fractions of inches that mean nothing - like this 400 microns.
Apple can say 40 nanometers - I will be equally unimpressed! We all should.
"The bend is the result of a cooling process involving the iPad Pro’s metal and plastic components during manufacturing, according to Apple. Both sizes of the new iPad Pro can exhibit it." Apple said this in The Verge. (Proof waits the holidays)
Apple measures these dimensions at the production level with laser. They should do such measurement after the cooling process, the final metal frame.
My physics professor will send this metal frame back to the kiln.
Okay, now I am packing up the far away college days - this is more business and commerce, ultimately. Reality.
All of the specs below are for the boxed product at purchase.
400 microns across 25 cm is not visible to the naked eye - no matter at which point of the length of the iPad the deviation starts. Typically midpoint.
Shine a light and examine it when the iPad is placed on a "real" flat surface, preferably glass, maybe we can see it.
These are college physics lab conditions, Black Mirror precise. This Dan guy is B.S - Apple stores don't have the capability to verify this.
Is it 401microns or 399 microns - how will they prove/decide? If it is 400 microns, what happens?
I 4-wheel align my 10+ year old cars annually - the regular mechanic refers me to a different shop to get the alignment done. They provide the exact angles pre and post adjustment. No nonsensical fractions of inches that mean nothing - like this 400 microns.
Apple can say 40 nanometers - I will be equally unimpressed! We all should.
"The bend is the result of a cooling process involving the iPad Pro’s metal and plastic components during manufacturing, according to Apple. Both sizes of the new iPad Pro can exhibit it." Apple said this in The Verge. (Proof waits the holidays)
Apple measures these dimensions at the production level with laser. They should do such measurement after the cooling process, the final metal frame.
My physics professor will send this metal frame back to the kiln.
Okay, now I am packing up the far away college days - this is more business and commerce, ultimately. Reality.
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That’s what I was worried about. I have the 12.9 cellular pro and luckily mine is ok. But how on earth is it meant to stay in the magnetic folio case if it’s bent? The magnets can’t hold something that’s bent. Love Apple but sometimes I think they live in another world. I’ve just paid £1269 plus £100 for the folio case and I’m literally scared to use the thing. I’ve missed my 2 week return window so not happy. Do you think Tim Cook would live with a bent pro? I highly doubt it.
Had I been you, I would have spent my money on a 13 inch base level MacBook Pro, or MacBook Air. Similar price, way more functionality (IMO) and no worries about it bending.
Pity there is no 11" MacBook Pro or MacBook Air anymore.
The iPads should switch to macOS now - they seem capable. No more phone OS for pads.
Wow... I cannot believe you using Consumer Report as evidence. I still remember when Apple fans bashing CR when they said some bad word about MacBooks....
Don't be surprised. It's the Modus Operandi here. If one source doesn't fit the agenda, it's not credible. And if it does fit, then it's going to be quoted.
Just enjoy Christmas and don't waste your time with the usual suspects. There is more to life than debating overpriced consumer electronics.
We could take this one step further. Anyone who is happy with their apple products and happy with apple doesn’t even have to post. Would save a lot of bandwidth.
Right. I’m sure one or two examples is enough to close the book on all of the pros that is needed.
The ceasefire was broken. There is no ceasefire as the original poster broke it and then compounded by the those who couldn’t wait to get a snarky response in.
Maybe or maybe not. I don’t know how Many people take a lot of stock in what goes on in online forums. I know I don’t. I bought the max even hanging read the threads on poor connectivity.
I don’t see arrogance. If I were apple I would attempt to understand the issue and then act appropriately.
So that’s it. As an apple fan this person bashed CR and then turned around and used it to support an internet point. Surely you have proof of this internet hypocrisy.
MS may do some quasi-sneaky stuff in Windows (you have to know where to turn it off) but my Yoga Hybrid is running smoother and with far less issues than my rMB 2015.
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you just criticized positive anecdotal evidence only to defend and give more negative anecdotal evidence.
I posted CR evidence Apple leads the industry in reliability. Ultimately, all tech will have problems, particularly if you’re shipping 300M devices annually.
There is data showing Apple has industry leading reliability and many examples of Apple supporting their products (hardware especially) far longer than the usual 1 year.
Your assertion Apple devices are “flimsy” is just wrong.
The main reason (more data) that Apple devices have higher values (look at iPhone as an example) is because they have longer usable lifespans than competitors.
But don’t let reality get in the way of your Apple bashing and doom and gloom.
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Totally wrong. All the money in the world isn’t going to mean perfection and the incremental benefit would not even be worth the incremental cost of it were possible.
Airplanes still crash. You can only strive for perfection and Apple is industry leading in reliability according to Consumer Reports for one.
All of your data is anecdotal and irrelevant to the story.
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Original comment deleted - Decided to not bite back at the high horse brigade. At this point only an official statement from Apple will do regarding customers who are receiving very bent ipads and what their going to do about it.
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I think the press is hyping up an issue that is not nearly as widespread as they make it out to be.
Apparently you don’t understand the nature and cause of the bend Apple considers within tolerance. You should read what they said. There is no “weak spot.”
That by definition is why it's a stereotype (generality vs the outliers).
FYI, I’m a software (formerly mechanical) engineer with a MacBook Pro. If I was mechanical and had to run 3D CAD software, I’d run either PC or Windows on Mac. If I had to run Windows, I would do it in a VM as oppose to Bootcamping.
Materials engineer here. I use both PCs and macs at work. Both are tools, but the macs are much more enjoyable to use. Also very happy with my new iPad Pro - if I squint I can see a bend, but it doesn’t in any way impact functionality. My old iPad Pro 9.7 was way more bent and it worked fine for years.
Calm down people!