Apple's iPad-Centric Event to Take Place on October 22

[tillsbury]

So much for Haswell MacBook Pros this month?

I bet they do the MBP upgrade at the same time... they probably don't think it's a big deal just putting Halswell, ac, and pcie ssd's in them enough to call it a major announcement. The imacs just slipped out...

 

[willcapellaro]

Could be, but I think Apple wants to ditch the A5 asap.

We'll see.

Oh, and my guess is Apple would rather increase the margins than fixate them to lower the price. But that's just my guess.

Makes sense if they want to consolidate their silicon footprint... not sure if they want to spend developmental bandwidth on that. There will be old minis out there anyways.

As to margins... Wouldn't it be great if they could just break even? They make plenty of dough on apps and media (from some people at least... might need to be a rewards program with limited supply per user so people don't take advantage).

Also, storage space upgrades should definitely be subsidized or free. Again, I'm buying media from Apple here. Why not give me space which entices me to fill it up? If you're going to have a walled garden with one concession stand, wouldn't you want me to have the largest picnic table as possible?

You'll get all my money somehow Apple, don't worry.

(end of thread hijacking)

 

[ISanych]

I don't know about A7 or 8MP camera but why would it not have retina? It was a total surprise the first one didn't have it. If the 2nd still doesn't, it will flop and flop huge. Just look how many people on MR are wanting, no, DEMANDING, it have retina. Apple knows it would be an epic fail if it released a mini without it. They may be having manufacturing constraints and it may come out with very limited supply but it will have it.

Yep, apple always listen to users. Just look how many people on MR are wanting, no, DEMANDING, bigger screen in iPhone. But in the end most people will be happy with anything, even colored plastics

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

iPad mini 2. Let's go.

This will be my first iPad. I said once they released the mini "i'm getting this as soon as it goes retina"

 

[ActionableMango]

All it needs is retina display and better camera for 120fps video. No reason to put A7 chip in a mini while A6 can do a perfect job.

If iPad Mini gets retina, (1) the number of pixels will quadruple and (2) the power consumption goes up. So I for one would like a CPU that's as fast as possible, and the A7 is 20% more power efficient. So yes, there is every reason to want an A7 on a retina iPad Mini.

Also, the A7 uses ARM64, which handles object creation and destruction in half the time, and encodes and decodes twice as fast. That means faster games, applications, less dropped frames on video players, and ability to handle 64-bit-only apps when some day they start to appear.

Yeah, nobody would want an A7 with retina.

 

[lpoulain]

It performs poorly and is buggy; it was a rush release

Really? Buggy how?

IOS 7 has run perfectly on my iPad3, without issues or problems since the release date.

 

[giantfan1224]

Yep, apple always listen to users. Just look how many people on MR are wanting, no, DEMANDING, bigger screen in iPhone. But in the end most people will be happy with anything, even colored plastics

I would venture to guess that a larger percentage of mini users (current and future) are demanding retina screen than iPhone users demanding a larger screen. I personally don't want a larger iPhone because the current size fits so perfectly in my pocket. If I want something larger, that's what my iPad (and soon to be iPad mini) are for. I wouldn't have a problem whatsoever with Apple making a larger screen iPhone but I'm in no way DEMANDING a larger one. I'm sure more than a few agree with me...

 

[Jacquesass]

I just don't understand why people are going ******* over Haswell processors -- the only thing they offer is slightly better energy efficiency on portables. The performance increase is negligible, heck their Ivy Bridge counterparts even bested the Haswells on over 70% of the benchmarks. For the most part the Ivy Bridge is a faster processor than the Haswell. It is nothing to phone home about....not in the slightest.

I think you're pretty off-base here. Haswell offers - at the same clock speed - somewhat faster processing that requires somewhat less power. That gives manufacturers three choices:

1) Increase clock speed, noticeably faster processing, same power draw
2) Same clock speed, marginally faster processing, slightly improved power draw
3) Slightly decreased clock speed, roughly same processing speed, much improved power draw

Apple chose #3 for the MBA - they dropped the base clock speed, kept the same processing speed and had a huge increase in battery-life. They chose #1 and #2 for the iMac, depending on how you configure the processor (but the numbers are a little less clear when talking about the Iris Pro in the base 21"). Apple is likely to choose #3 for the MBP - and most people are excited about the same processing power with a big jump in battery life.

The wildcard for the rMBP is the display (IGZO?) and whether it becomes more efficient as well (and whether that influences Apple to be more or less aggressive on Haswell clock speed).

 

[eXan]

I just don't understand why people are going ******* over Haswell processors -- the only thing they offer is slightly better energy efficiency on portables. The performance increase is negligible, heck their Ivy Bridge counterparts even bested the Haswells on over 70% of the benchmarks. For the most part the Ivy Bridge is a faster processor than the Haswell. It is nothing to phone home about....not in the slightest.

I could care less about about difference in cpu speed, its the whole package I'm interested in (graphics, RAM, storage, etc, plus promise of better battery life).

Buying a 2000$ laptop that is more than 1 year old (480 days since last update) is not a sensible option.

 

[ka-spot]

So... a new mac mini with retina display is coming ?

Anyway.. can't wait for Mavericks, the OS X

 

[topmounter]

First gen? That must be crazy slow.

No, mine still works just as good as it did the day I bought it.

 

[brdeveloper]

iPad Pro with rMBP 13" specs would be nice... maybe someday.

 

[koban4max]

First gen? That must be crazy slow.

Hey, hey, hey! first gen was the classic..REGARDLESS of slowness.

 

[WardC]

I think you're pretty off-base here. Haswell offers - at the same clock speed - somewhat faster processing that requires somewhat less power. That gives manufacturers three choices:

1) Increase clock speed, noticeably faster processing, same power draw
2) Same clock speed, marginally faster processing, slightly improved power draw
3) Slightly decreased clock speed, roughly same processing speed, much improved power draw

Apple chose #3 for the MBA - they dropped the base clock speed, kept the same processing speed and had a huge increase in battery-life. They chose #1 and #2 for the iMac, depending on how you configure the processor (but the numbers are a little less clear when talking about the Iris Pro in the base 21"). Apple is likely to choose #3 for the MBP - and most people are excited about the same processing power with a big jump in battery life.

The wildcard for the rMBP is the display (IGZO?) and whether it becomes more efficient as well (and whether that influences Apple to be more or less aggressive on Haswell clock speed).

Thank you for the clarification. Now I am upset that I purchased a new MacBook Pro 2 days ago. Not even been shipped to me yet, but on the way. Couldn't beat the deal though....got a $2499 laptop for $1750 new sealed in the box on eBay. Non-Retina 15" 2.6GHz 8GB RAM 256GB SSD *SEALED*

So I don't know how upset I am now that I jumped and did not wait. I am sure this thing will be fine for me though. Sold my 17" because I decided it was too bulky for me.

 

[Ieo]

Don't get me wrong, the more the better but I can't see these 2 devices being identical and just the size to differentiate. If that's the case, then I'll definitely grab a mini

They'll likely differentiate with capacity (32,64, and 128 for the iPad 5 and the standard 16,32, and 64 for the mini) as well as processor (same A7 from the 5s for the mini since it has pretty much the same performance as the A6x from the iPad 4 but uses less power, and a new A7x for the iPad 5).

I think the mini will get retina, they'll both get touch ID, and they'll both use a new IGZO screen that they'll make a giant fuss about.

Now pay me. I'm an analyst.

 

[koban4max]

uh...macbook pro?

 

[Bubba Satori]

This is a blessed day

Hallelujah.

 

[RMo]

Will they replace the iPad 5 with the iPad 6 only seven months after its release???

Who cares if they do? They used to update their iMacs (and other comptuers) several times a year. Hard to imagine now, isn't it? Your iPad 5 will continue functioning just fine if an iPad 6 happens to be released* before the yearly cycle that some people seem to think they're on, even if it's generally the pattern.

*Just like how the iPad 3 still works.

 

[MWPULSE]

Will there be new Retina MacBook Pros!? I've been waiting since June! Haswell chips would be ANAZING.

right with ya, been waiting since this time last year I reckon, actively saving since Feb

 

[bkribbs]

• 
  Mavericks to be released at this event.

• 
  New iPads

• 
  New Mac Pro, either released or we'll be given a date with further info about the machine.

• New MacBook Pros, possibly Airs.

That... just... no.

I'm not sure what you mean by $300+ difference. The difference between the entry level mini and the entry full size is only $170.

Not to mention the fact apple may choose to bump the price on the retina mini...

how on earth woudl you know? youve never even been in the same room as the man, let alone know what hed do. he released Ping, Final Cut Pro X, ipod socks, etc...

so sick of that dumb phrase brought out by people who have no idea.

iPod socks! I forgot about those! I actually liked mine for my nano.

 

[surfnode]

Mac Mini Haswell I wonder???

 

[Cyloncat]

he released Ping, Final Cut Pro X, ipod socks, etc...

When the ipod socks first came out, I laughed. Now I use them for my iPod classic (older, thick model) because there isn't any other choice!

 

[MWPULSE]

You can roll your eyes all you want, his point is well taken. Apple absolutely is not as focused on their computer line than they are the iToys. And, as you rightly point out, that while they spend and MAKE billions off of their Mac line, Apple is obviously more concentrated on the more profitable iToy line of consumer products.

For those of us who have been Mac users for a long time, we can only hope that Apple spins off the Mac division as a separate entity. PC's are far from dead, but Apple doesn't believe that and I fear the day is coming when they announce "in 2 weeks we're going to quit making Macs 'cause hardly anyone is buying them"....

After-all, they've done it before.

being a bit melodramatic duncha think?

They just invested years in making the Mac Pro upto date, if you need to see a reassurance that should be it, couple that with the great inroads they are making in the portable market of laptops. The Macbook Air in particular, but also the Macbook Pro retina. I can't see laptops going away anytime soon, much less macs.

:Apple:

 

[Lazy]

I'm also still using a 1st gen and it's not too slow. It's not like it gets slower by time ^^ The problem is, more and more apps require iOS6+ and lots of games run much smoother with at least dual core. The app store does crash quite often due to the iPad not having enough ram, and so do a few games.

So yeah, it's time to upgrade since software is making it tough for the iPad to function properly.

What you described as your experience is exactly what was meant by "on its last legs" and "crazy slow".

 

[ghsDUDE]

So the only difference between both iPads will be the size?

I hope this is true because I hate how they gave the Mini a less powerful processor.