Are you buying the new 16" MBP?

[jerryk]

I'm amazed that people would commit themselves to buy something that doesn't exist yet (except in speculation) and of which we have no idea regarding the particulars.

Defines for all in this forum what a "fanbois" is...

Remember the name of the site, MacRumors... speculation is in the title
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yes, Apple can solder also the case and remove all screws, will be easier, if something happened during warranty they need replace whole unit, they can save a lot of money on service

Works for Microsoft

They gave me a new Surface book when I had an issue.

 

[chucker23n1]

I'm amazed that people would commit themselves to buy something that doesn't exist yet (except in speculation) and of which we have no idea regarding the particulars.

Defines for all in this forum what a "fanbois" is...

I need a high-end laptop running macOS. Details are secondary.

 

[ascender]

That is a really strange conclusion. Would you prefer them to increase the display thickness to that of an iPad then?

Not sure why you think that?

The new iPad Pro is the flagship device for the company in terms of showcasing what they can do in terms of power and tech. We all know that iOS devices are the big money makers for the company, but they are also showing us what Apple things is the way forward in terms of the screens, processors, faceid etc. Their laptops are a poor relation to the iPads now.

Why would Apple not want to transfer those things to a redesigned MBP? They've decided FaceID is "better" than touchID, or call it a "Pro" feature, so I'd expect to see that on a new MBP. Of course I don't want the screen to get thicker, but presumably that's a design challenge which they'll overcome in some way or other?

FaceID on an iPad Pro is an amazing experience if you're using it on a desk like you would do with a laptop. Its as seamless a way of unlocking a device and authenticating to websites as it is on the iPhone.

The point I was trying to make is that the iPad Pro is the benchmark computing device for Apple now, its way overtaken their laptops. They have a very cohesive iPad lineup now, so I'm hoping they do the same with the laptops.

If they continue to treat the MacBook Pro as a poor relation to the iPad Pro, then that's going to be a sad day. This next revision is their chance to redress the balance.

 

[chucker23n1]

Not sure why you think that?

Because the MacBook displays are much, much thinner than even the iPad Pro, and putting the assembly inside the display necessary to make Face ID work might require making them thicker.

The new iPad Pro is the flagship device for the company in terms of showcasing what they can do in terms of power and tech. We all know that iOS devices are the big money makers for the company, but they are also showing us what Apple things is the way forward in terms of the screens, processors, faceid etc. Their laptops are a poor relation to the iPads now.

That's not in dispute.

The point I was trying to make is that the iPad Pro is the benchmark computing device for Apple now, its way overtaken their laptops. They have a very cohesive iPad lineup now, so I'm hoping they do the same with the laptops.

If they continue to treat the MacBook Pro as a poor relation to the iPad Pro, then that's going to be a sad day. This next revision is their chance to redress the balance.

I think you're really missing the point that an iPad Pro's bezel is much thicker than a MacBook Pro's, and making the MacBook Pro's thicker would be perceived as weird.

 

[leman]

Why would Apple not want to transfer those things to a redesigned MBP? They've decided FaceID is "better" than touchID, or call it a "Pro" feature, so I'd expect to see that on a new MBP. Of course I don't want the screen to get thicker, but presumably that's a design challenge which they'll overcome in some way or other?

That's exactly the thing, it's not just a design challenge. Currently, the technology to make thin enough cameras with required property simply doesn't exist. They can't even put a high-resolution camera sensor into the MBP, and FaceID is much more demanding. In the Windows world, they solve this by either installing respective modules on 2-in-1 machines, which are have much thicker display assemblies (since they are tablets) or integrate the camera with the main body.

Maybe Apple will surprise us with some radically new camera tech. Personally, I'm rather sceptical. But I don't think that it shows that they don't care about Mac (they put more effort in Mac-specific development than most other vendors put in their machines!), but rather, it gives one the idea about the complexity of the camera issue.

 

[ascender]

I'm not missing the point and I've never said I want them to make a thicker display.

Accommodating the FaceID array, or re-designing it is a design challenge that they need to overcome. FaceID is clearly their preferred authentication method so its up to them to find a way to accommodate it in a laptop.

What I'm saying is that I expect a new design of MacBook Pro to incorporate FaceID in some way. If they just keep TouchID in there, then I think its not a good sign for how they consider the laptop range going forward.
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That's exactly the thing, it's not just a design challenge. Currently, the technology to make thin enough cameras with required property simply doesn't exist. They can't even put a high-resolution camera sensor into the MBP, and FaceID is much more demanding. In the Windows world, they solve this by either installing respective modules on 2-in-1 machines, which are have much thicker display assemblies (since they are tablets) or integrate the camera with the main body.

Maybe Apple will surprise us with some radically new camera tech. Personally, I'm rather sceptical. But I don't think that it shows that they don't care about Mac (they put more effort in Mac-specific development than most other vendors put in their machines!), but rather, it gives one the idea about the complexity of the camera issue.

Design challenge is a simple term for all of that though. Have they come up with some new camera tech? Could they come up with something which sits above the Touch Bar? FaceID didn't just happen overnight so I've no doubt there will be teams who have been working on it for desktops and laptops for a number of years. Will it be ready for the next re-design? Who knows?

I think there's signs that they are re-focusing efforts on the Mac (making a new Mac Pro is a big one), but the current laptop range take on its own merits doesn't give me confidence. I'm hoping that the next re-design is a big statement which reaffirms they realise the importance of the MBP in particular and it gets all the latest tech just like the iPad Pro does.

 

[leman]

I'm hoping that the next re-design is a big statement which reaffirms they realise the importance of the MBP in particular and it gets all the latest tech just like the iPad Pro does.

But that is exactly my point, you are not asking for latest tech that the iPad Pro uses, you are asking for some not yet existing tech that might be not without our capabilities for years or decades to come. As far as I know, Apple relies on camera tech from other companies. I am not aware of anyone being capable of making modules that thin — not even non-commercial research prototypes.

To reiterate, Apple's failure to bring FaceID to Mac is not a sign of their lack of focus, it's just a proof of how difficult the technological challenge it. It might even not be worth tackling at all at this point.

 

[chucker23n1]

That's exactly the thing, it's not just a design challenge. Currently, the technology to make thin enough cameras with required property simply doesn't exist. They can't even put a high-resolution camera sensor into the MBP, and FaceID is much more demanding.

It's not clear to me that they need a better camera sensor for Face ID. They need to add stuff like IR, of course.

In the Windows world, they solve this by either installing respective modules on 2-in-1 machines, which are have much thicker display assemblies (since they are tablets) or integrate the camera with the main body.

I think you're confusing that development with the reduction of bezel. The main reason we have crazy stuff like a nose hair camera now is that the display bezel isn't wide enough to leave room for a decent lens.

It's also why the LG Thunderbolt 3 display has such a weird bezel: they wanted it as narrow as possible, but also wanted to have a camera.

Accommodating the FaceID array, or re-designing it is a design challenge that they need to overcome.

"I don't care; just fix it" isn't a viable engineering task. Maybe they'll find a way. Maybe they won't.

 

[Marconelly]

I have a really good feeling about it too. Just from the screen size, it suggests that the machine will be made more with professional use in mind. However, I don't doubt it will be priced accordingly.

 

[mmomega]

Since there have been butterfly keyboard since the iBook days, I would say they are sticking with that.

I have not had a single issue with any Apple keyboard except my 2009 iMac BT keyboard and they swapped it out on the spot. I have the 2018 MBP, 3 - 2016's, a 2017 MacBook, a 2015 MacBook, a 2014, 3 - 2012 rMBP when they were introduced and more designs prior to that.
Those things travel with me and are my primary devices to type on.
Nor have I personally experienced any of the other gates outside of the "you're holding it wrong" gate.

But there will definitely be no swapping out from my current MBP to a new design model this or next year. I spec'd this one out to last a while. She ain't going anywhere.

 

[Falhófnir]

No. 2019 will see a new 16" MBP that will have thinner bezels and more customizable options. You will see.

For me there would be significant merit for more options at the lower end as well as the upper - currently for the 15" machine you have to get the i7, you have to get 16GB RAM, you have to have a dGPU, all these 'options' on the 13" are baked into the larger model and contribute to it's eye watering starting price. I'd like the option of speccing an i5, 8GB and no dGPU (particularly if Intel start offering 1TFLOP integrated graphics) for ~$500 less, which I could then spend on upgrading to a 1TB drive or something more useful to me. Or at the very least there should be a 15"-16" MacBook option for those who don't want to shell out a lot of money on powerful internals but do prefer a larger screen size to work on.

 

[TSE]

Can’t think of a thread that makes less sense right now.

 

[Jimmy James]

Give me an old style laptop and restyle the price. Or make the current design reliable and lower the price. Unreliable plus expensive is a complete non-starter.

 

[Flabasha]

I think you're confusing that development with the reduction of bezel. The main reason we have crazy stuff like a nose hair camera now is that the display bezel isn't wide enough to leave room for a decent lens.

Sounds like it's time... for a NOTCH.

 

[leman]

I have a really good feeling about it too. Just from the screen size, it suggests that the machine will be made more with professional use in mind. However, I don't doubt it will be priced accordingly.

Some people said something like this, but I am still wondering. Why do you think that a MBP with smaller bezels will be more "pro?". Also, why do you think that such a MBP is going to be more expensive?

 

[pshufd]

Some people said something like this, but I am still wondering. Why do you think that a MBP with smaller bezels will be more "pro?". Also, why do you think that such a MBP is going to be more expensive?

I'm all for additional screen real estate. Whether it's software development or trading, I can always use more screen space. I'd say go with 17 or even 19 inches.

 

[leman]

I'm all for additional screen real estate. Whether it's software development or trading, I can always use more screen space. I'd say go with 17 or even 19 inches.

Sure, but I have this feeling that many people expect a 16" MBP to be a physically larger laptop similar to some larger workstation or gaming machines, and they will be terribly disappointed if Apple simply takes the current chassis and reduces the bezels.

 

[Queen6]

I'll wait and see Apple needs to seriously impress and deliver, no false promises...

Q-6

 

[pshufd]

Sure, but I have this feeling that many people expect a 16" MBP to be a physically larger laptop similar to some larger workstation or gaming machines, and they will be terribly disappointed if Apple simply takes the current chassis and reduces the bezels.

I think that folks will be happy with an extra inch of real estate. A lot of people lugged around the 17 inch MacBook Pros that weighed eight pounds. I'd be happy with a 17 inch - I don't really care about the size of the bezels. It would also be cool if Apple sold external 17 or 18 inch displays that could just be hooked up to a 15 inch MBP.

 

[leman]

I'll wait and see Apple needs to seriously impress and deliver, no false promises...

Impress whom and deliver what? Also, what have they been promising?
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A lot of people lugged around the 17 inch MacBook Pros that weighed eight pounds.

Apparently not enough though for it not to get canned...

 

[Queen6]

Impress whom and deliver what? Also, what have they been promising?

Do you seriously need an answer, some have requirement's beyond yours...

Q-6

 

[maflynn]

I'll wait and see Apple needs to seriously impress and deliver, no false promises...

Q-6

Apple is great at showmanship, but with so many complaints, on the keyboard, the utter failure of the touchbar, flexgate, also the inadequate thermal management, i.e., they run too hot. Apple has its work cut out.

I would love to see a 16" MBP but I fear it will be priced even higher then the current MBP and given Apple's track record, I would be concerned about the long term durability. I rolled the dice on the 2018 model, and I felt I got burned, Apple lost any brand loyalty from me and I'm not willing to take a chance at this point.

 

[pshufd]

Apple is great at showmanship, but with so many complaints, on the keyboard, the utter failure of the touchbar, flexgate, also the inadequate thermal management, i.e., they run too hot. Apple has its work cut out.

I would love to see a 16" MBP but I fear it will be priced even higher then the current MBP and given Apple's track record, I would be concerned about the long term durability. I rolled the dice on the 2018 model, and I felt I got burned, Apple lost any brand loyalty from me and I'm not willing to take a chance at this point.

I will wait a year to see how it is on reliability. I chatted with a coworker yesterday and he said that he waits six months for new Apple products to see if there are problems. I would be happy to buy a used 16 inch or 17 inch model if they are reliable. I don't think that a new 16 or 17 inch model will beat my pair of 2015s anyways.

 

[maflynn]

he said that he waits six months for new Apple products

Sound logic, and something maybe I should have done. I bought the 2018 MBP when it first came out thinking that they fully fixed the keyboard - they hadn't.

 

[Queen6]

Apple is great at showmanship, but with so many complaints, on the keyboard, the utter failure of the touchbar, flexgate, also the inadequate thermal management, i.e., they run too hot. Apple has its work cut out.

I would love to see a 16" MBP but I fear it will be priced even higher then the current MBP and given Apple's track record, I would be concerned about the long term durability. I rolled the dice on the 2018 model, and I felt I got burned, Apple lost any brand loyalty from me and I'm not willing to take a chance at this point.

I'll wait and see, however I expect a lot more than just talk from Apple, a notebook that I will employ professionally needs to deliver.

This being but one aspect, "showmanship" indeed being very apt. "Pro" I expect professional levels of performance...

Q-6