I have several USB fans that I bought from Radio Shack around 2004 and I have used them with MacBook Pros and other laptops in the past. I bought a number of two inch spools (as in thread spools) from AC Moore or Michaels and put the laptop on top of the spools so that there is two inches from the laptop to the table and then put the USB fan underneath and it helps to keep the laptop cool. These days I use nnun hydration tubes for this purpose. I haven't had to do this with the 2014 and 2015 Macs but I did sometimes use it on the 2008 when I was doing video editing. Is that Pro? It shouldn't be. But it works. I was thinking of building an AC-powered cooling structure for Macs. It would use six desktop cooling fans under the MacBook and the MBP would sit inside the structure. I'm a bit surprised that something like this doesn't already exist as a product.
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Are you buying the new 16" MBP?
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Oh I don’t doubt that, but I find it a bit surprising that they could successfully go 15 years without ever satisfying any of those requirements and now - even though they have the most powerful laptops they have ever built - it’s suddenly “pressure to deliver”.
Are you even remotely connected to reality?
The latest 15" notebooks are on the heels of this, "most powerful my arse" you'd need Photoshop for the MBP to deliver this level or performance...
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Are you even remotely connected to reality?
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The latest 15" notebooks are on the heels of this, "most powerful my arse" you'd need Photoshop for the MBP to deliver this level or performance...
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The main difference between than and now is that back than, the fastest MBP was about two times slower than some of the faster laptops on the market, now it’s just approx 30% slower. So yes, I’m not sure what kind of point you are making. Even before the touchbar models, one could also buy a dell XPS with same CPU and faster GPU for less money. Or one could buy a Zbook with a CPU that had double the cores.
That was a scissor keyboard. Different mechanism.
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I don’t believe Apple will put an $5890.00, 205 W CPU in a laptop any time soon.
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Maybe?
I don't believe Apple is capable, well barring the price point...
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Disappointingly so...
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Think I'll ride out my current 15" MBP until the Intel era is over.
Not jazzed about buying any more Apple laptops until they do something interesting, i.e. in-house Apple processors and graphics.
Not jazzed about buying any more Apple laptops until they do something interesting, i.e. in-house Apple processors and graphics.
I don't get it, are you asking for a desktop replacement laptop from Apple?
Not being aligned with a companies design philosophy does not make one incapable of engineering such a thing. The question is why in the world would they want to?
Queen, as always, you manage to completely confuse me. You used to be an Apple user, so obviously there was a time where you are satisfied with their offerings. Let me ask you this: what was the MBP year/model that you though was competitive and suitable for you needs?
In a word "balance" The 2012 design made sense, the 2016 design, only served to cripple the MBP for many. The MBP needs to have reliability, performance and port versatility to be taken seriously as a professional product. There's no confusion, we just want a powerful MBP with a sensible port solution, not a "gimped" Ultrabook running OS X.
Over two decades with the Mac, Apple's current trajectory is beyond disappointing, nor am I in isolation, as I've stated "never seen so many drop the platform" Apple firmly owns that one.
Going, going, gone...
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What 16” MacBook Pro?
It’s a little hard to evaluate a purchase of something that doesn’t exist
It’s a little hard to evaluate a purchase of something that doesn’t exist
So in the end, it's just about the USB-C ports... I have to admit that I'm a bit disappointed.
The 2012 model neither had a more powerful CPU, nor a more powerful GPU, relative to its time. It didn't have better thermal performance nor did it have any other throttling behaviour. There were still laptops on the market that performed better with the same CPU, and there were certainly cheaper laptops in comparable weight category with a better GPU. In fact, there is nothing at all that the 2012 could do better than the 2018 model. Unless of course all you care about is plugging your USB-A mouse without needing a new cable.
Actually, there are a few things. Ports are already mentioned, so no need to go into that again.
But how about upgrades? Now, if your SSD or one RAM module fails, you will be without your device for a while. And you will loose time bringing it in to Apple store, waiting to be serviced, and in a week+, you will do that all over again. In the time between dropping off your device and receiving it repaired, you are without that device.
Now, pre-rMBP (2012 and downwards), if your ram module fails, just swap it out. 1min job. Same goes for SSD. And battery.
Not to mention that some companies have policies about dropping off your data to another company while the device is being repaired. And if RAM fails, you can't simply log in and format your hard drive.
As for the 'bold' statement that newer MBPs are better in other ways, of course they are. Technology moved forward. Drives are faster, CPU/GPU is faster, heck, even RAM is faster. But isn't that just normal progression? Same would happen if Apple actually cared about their customers and didn't solder in everything just to get more $$$ in on really pricey upgrades.
Laughable my 2in1 $650 USD has a more practicable port solution. 2019 Apple's premier notebook is a joke in comparison to serious hardware...
Going, going Gone...
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I doubt it.
I predict that it will have the same butterfly keyboard and the T2 chip
If they DON'T redesign, I'm sure they will tweak the keyboard more like they did with every year. If they do redesign the whole laptop, I believe the keyboard will be redesigned.
There's too high of a failure rate with these keyboards..
Indeed. But what's even worse is the upgrade pricing. I bought a 1TB 970 EVO for 230$ on sale. And it's speed is comparable to MBP SSD. Apple charges 400$ to go from 500GB to 1000GB. So basically, a nice margin for Apple, and a big middle finger to the customer.
A significant factor that precludes the MBP from being considered as a professional tool. The cost of the hardware is irrelevant in this context, the content of the drive very much a different matter...
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Every single work day, I benefit from using a laptop that is just as powerful than its predecessors, but is thinner and lighter, and can be charged via the display connection, which simplifies my setup. I would gladly take these significant daily comforts over the minuscule risk that my SSD or RAM fails. I've maintained hundreds of Macs over the last 8+ years. I don't recall a single SSD or RAM failure with post retina models. Of course they can happen. But avoiding improvements to form factor in order to minimise a downtime that will never occur for the overwhelming majority of users sounds a bit drastic.
Yes, its the normal progression. But I was talking about relative terms, not absolute ones. Today's MBP is much closer to fastest laptops on the market than say, 8 years ago. Its all in the context of claims that "MBP lacks performance to be considered a professional tool".
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Yes, exactly all this talk about "lack of performance" and "Apple has to impress" and in the end its really just the "I can't deal with the modern USB standard". I was expecting a more consistent stance. Oh well...
Maybe Jony can design a nice little travel bag for the iMac Pro, as the MBP will never see this level of performance. This notebook even has USB C, same as the 2 in 1 as some OEM's actually listen to their customers and don't gimp their hardware...
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That's all Apple cares about now $$$$ hence why it deliberately screws the customer at every possible opportunity...
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If RAM and SSD weren't soldered on, you wouldn't get to enjoy a thinner and lighter laptop, and it wouldn't charge over display connection?
You really think if Apple didn't solder everything on that you wouldn't get those benefits?
Actually, even the keyboard is soldered on. Now none of us have the figures of failures, and I highly doubt majority of people suffer from kb issue, but it seems that a lot of people do. Now if just on key fails, you're out of luck. At least a week without your laptop (in my case two weeks, multiple times), just because a single key can't be changed without changing entire top case, battery, entire keyboard, trackpad and touchpad included.
Please explain to me the benefits of this approach.
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At the moment, I'm using more powerful laptop then MBP, with better screen, best keyboard by far out there, and I have 2 nvme SSD in there, with 32GB of RAM. And I have that wonderful 'display connection' for everything, two of them actually. But I also have loads of other useful ports. Keyboard is even spill proof.
And it's lighter then a MBP.
Only reason Apple solders everything is $$$. They like to grossly overprice SSD/RAM upgrades to the point where it's just a pure insult to the customer.
Totally agree, it's sheer greed little else, as ever monopolies never serve the customer...
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