Are you buying the new 16" MBP?

[iTarbuck]

I have a good feeling about this next piece of hardware. I think it's going to be the MBP everyone has been waiting for with all the fixes. I don't think this is speculation since there are a couple of reliable sources. Not to mention, Apple has received so much sh_t regarding performance of late I think this will be a turning point. This 16" is going to happen. Same with new Mac Pros.

Optimism. But do apple always listen to what the consumer wants? Headphone Jack got the chop, the notch stayed, and the iPad pro still doesn't run photoshop or a decent file management application. I personally don't think Apple cares what we want. But hey, why listen to me?

 

[maflynn]

But do apple always listen to what the consumer wants?

I'm going to say that Apple never (or at least rarely) listens to the consumer. I'd even postulate that they purposely tell the consumer what to like and that's in their very DNA. I believe Steve jobs had said that they purposely don't do that and that was one reason why apple is so good at what they do.

I think they has served them well on many occasions but for the MBP it has bitten them. There's many reasons why people are choosing not to buy the MBP and while I'm, not saying apple is doomed, I am saying that many long time apple fans have moved on.

 

[Queen6]

Optimism. But do apple always listen to what the consumer wants? Headphone Jack got the chop, the notch stayed, and the iPad pro still doesn't run photoshop or a decent file management application. I personally don't think Apple cares what we want. But hey, why listen to me?

Very much depends on if your the former or the latter "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower"

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I'm going to say that Apple never (or at least rarely) listens to the consumer. I'd even postulate that they purposely tell the consumer what to like and that's in their very DNA. I believe Steve jobs had said that they purposely don't do that and that was one reason why apple is so good at what they do.

I think they has served them well on many occasions but for the MBP it has bitten them. There's many reasons why people are choosing not to buy the MBP and while I'm, not saying apple is doomed, I am saying that many long time apple fans have moved on.

Hence why Apple has lost my custom both professionally and privately, we don't need purposely gimped hardware...

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[maflynn]

Hence why Apple has lost my custom both professionally and privately, we don't need purposely gimped hardware...

With Steve Jobs, the mentality behind the idea of telling consumers what they wanted, was born out of innovation. Under Cook, its not about innovation but profits. In some ways I don't knock the lack of ports and sticking with USB-C only. Apple has done that in the past and in the past it caused lots of friction in apple fandom.

What I do find troubling is the obsession with thinness when it doesn't make sense, take the iMac that sits on a desk. Why did apple have to make it thin, it introduced all sorts of headaches. With the MBP, we have the very flawed keyboard due to making the laptop thin.

At some point consumers and professionals will find themselves less inclined to spend 3k on a laptop that does less and is less durable then its competition. I believe that process is already occurring with many long time apple users moving on. Is apple doomed, no, and they're still selling millions of laptops but I do believe the bloom is off the rose and the number of people seeing the lack of value for the 3,000 dollars is increasing.

 

[Queen6]

With Steve Jobs, the mentality behind the idea of telling consumers what they wanted, was born out of innovation. Under Cook, its not about innovation but profits. In some ways I don't knock the lack of ports and sticking with USB-C only. Apple has done that in the past and in the past it caused lots of friction in apple fandom.

What I do find troubling is the obsession with thinness when it doesn't make sense, take the iMac that sits on a desk. Why did apple have to make it thin, it introduced all sorts of headaches. With the MBP, we have the very flawed keyboard due to making the laptop thin.

At some point consumers and professionals will find themselves less inclined to spend 3k on a laptop that does less and is less durable then its competition. I believe that process is already occurring with many long time apple users moving on. Is apple doomed, no, and they're still selling millions of laptops but I do believe the bloom is off the rose and the number of people seeing the lack of value for the 3,000 dollars is increasing.

24 $5K MBP's cancelled, Apple wants the $$$$ it needs to play the game...

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[patent10021]

Yes the main reason for 16" is because it's currently too thin. 16" should fix this + possible allow for better keyboard mechanics. There may be thinner bezels at the same time.

I think as long as the glaring issues are fixed including long standing issues like the display coating and (hopefully MagSafe??), this 16" MBP should sell like ladyboys on graduation night.

 

[richinaus]

Yes the main reason for 16" is because it's currently too thin. 16" should fix this + possible allow for better keyboard mechanics. There may be thinner bezels at the same time.

I think as long as the glaring issues are fixed including long standing issues like the display coating and (hopefully MagSafe??), this 16" MBP should sell like ladyboys on graduation night.

I am not sure how a 16" screen makes it thicker? I am simply expecting the same shell with reduced bezel.
There will always be issues with their computers. Nothing is perfect unfortunately, and there will be always something somebody is not happy with. It is up to Apple to make the computers to their specifications and own brief, and if we don't like it, tough. Certainly don't expect your dream computer to be launched at WWDC but if it does, you simply align with Apples way of thinking.

 

[jinnyman]

The thermal solution and keyboard fix are the only things I really care at this point.
If thinness is what Apple thinks as sexy, then incorporate something extreme like vapor chamber to incorporate the high performance chips and market it as a fastest laptop whatever. Apple charges crazy price for all the upgrades, and the chassis is not able to really handle anything above 8850h, and i9 in MBP is plain criminal to market it as viable solution. Don't just do marketing thing and pretend you deliver while you certainly are not delivering. The keyboard issue is joke and totally not acceptable at any price point.

I used to think Apple's design capability is top notch, and although their aesthetic side is always industry leading, their engineering capability is questionable at best at this point. The failure of Mac Pro trash can thermal and reliability and thermal issues of MBP, I've came to think that Apple either lost its engineering capability in PC building or really doesn't care and put no resource in PC design.

Anyone defending Apple on this matter is just defending their poor purchase choice.

 

[maflynn]

I used to think Apple's design capability is top notch, and although their aesthetic side is always industry leading, their engineering capability is questionable at best at this point

My opinion started changing when Apple decided to make the iMac razor thin (with a bulge in the back). To me that made so little sense, we're not talking about a laptop that you carry around with you, the iMac sits on a desk and generally doesn't move. That thin design introduced a number of headaches for the consumer and imo there was no need for the change. I do have a 5k iMac and its a nice machine, so don't get me wrong, but the overall design language is questionable imo.

 

[Dave245]

What I don’t get about this rumoured 16” is it going to replace the current 15”? Because if so does that mean the 13” becomes 14”?

On the spec side of tings, are there even any new processors that could go into such a machine at the moment?

 

[leman]

What I don’t get about this rumoured 16” is it going to replace the current 15”? Because if so does that mean the 13” becomes 14”?

On the spec side of tings, are there even any new processors that could go into such a machine at the moment?

For all we know, the 16" is the 15" — if you reduce the bezels slightly, you can easily fit the 16" display in the current chassis. I do not believe that Apple would release a bigger machine at this point, doesn't make too much sense. As far as processors go, Apple's laptop already come with fastest currently available mobile CPUs on the market.

 

[___joshuaturner]

Like others, keyboard quality will be a big deal for me. But I'm currently using a 15" 2016 MBP, so an upgrade wouldn't be out of the question.

I don't want to see them do too much to be honest, just get back to basics, keep the solid build quality, don't throw in fringe oddities that pros don't really care about (TouchBar), and give us some higher memory options.

I don't know what more they can realistically do with the display, although I guess bringing in FaceID at some point seems the logical step. I exclusively use my MBP with an attached display in clamshell mode, so it'd be useless for me.

New displays would be a great pairing with this.

 

[richinaus]

For all we know, the 16" is the 15" — if you reduce the bezels slightly, you can easily fit the 16" display in the current chassis. I do not believe that Apple would release a bigger machine at this point, doesn't make too much sense. As far as processors go, Apple's laptop already come with fastest currently available mobile CPUs on the market.

Exactly what I expect. No chassis change and simply update the screens.

Re. CPU I thought I read there are going to be some new cpu iterations out ready for May that are suitable? Could be wrong as I read a lot of things.....

 

[OVERTASK]

I doubt it.

I predict that it will have the same butterfly keyboard and the T2 chip 🙁.

Unlikely I'm sure Apple will learn from their mistake and introduce the dragonfly keyboard and T3 chip - now with 200% more failures!

 

[chucker23n1]

On the spec side of tings, are there even any new processors that could go into such a machine at the moment?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13969/intel-details-new-9th-gen-cpus-for-notebooks-9980hk-9300h

Basically, up to eight cores instead of six, and likely coming this quarter. No real architectural improvements or process shrink, so these will run hot.

 

[Dave245]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13969/intel-details-new-9th-gen-cpus-for-notebooks-9980hk-9300h

Basically, up to eight cores instead of six, and likely coming this quarter. No real architectural improvements or process shrink, so these will run hot.

Maybe that’s why there will be a redesign (according to Ming Chi Kuo).

 

[elchorizo]

I agree, them sticking to the idea of super thin and trying to keep re-inventing the keyboard is also what I expect. They have committed and can't back down now that they are the "future". Shame they left the best keyboards available behind, however.

Anyhow, on topic: whether I buy the new model or not is all up to the keyboard. If they are going back (which I do not believe) to their old/classic keyboard, then I will buy a new macbook pro. Otherwise, no. The keyboard is my main interface, and it has to be the best available.

This, completely.

 

[richinaus]

Maybe that’s why there will be a redesign (according to Ming Chi Kuo).

they wouldn't re-design over a minor chip update.

I am pretty certain that the 2019 update will be :

minor CPU update
Vega 20 standard
remove bezels
same chassis [improve cooling if possible],
same keyboard [minor improvement]

it won't be a major redesign. That will wait for the new CPU next year.

 

[alongdingdong]

Hell Ney!

Desktop "replacement" Laptops:

Batteries wearing out, having burning heat vented out next to you, loud fans spinning like a crazy cat woman. Dongles and cables everywhere,

Everyone ends up with a external monitor anyway because who still stares at a 15/16 inches all day long these days from the same stationary position at their "home" office. You think you have a neat setup with a laptop but you end up with the opposite of that and basically have the same situation as your desktop.

Laptops always have been a compromise due their form factor, in my opinion.
They have come a long way to be as compact, powerful and light as they are now in 13 inch form.

13 Inch fit my needs of a portable video edit system that fits in my backpack with other camera gear without inducing back problems or diminishing all hand-carry weight at airplane trips.

That being said, do i use the laptop as my desktop at home from a external monitor, keyboard and mouse?! Yes! because a all-in one device is useful, but if i did not have to travel frequently and made lots of videos to edit, i would never consider replacing a imac with a macbook/laptop.

That being said, there is a market for everyone`s needs, i just hope Apple does not segment too much effords into many different laptop baskets...

I need them to fix their focus on making the best of the best 13 inch laptops on the market, lol yes ik ik selfish 😀

 

[leman]

Re. CPU I thought I read there are going to be some new cpu iterations out ready for May that are suitable? Could be wrong as I read a lot of things.....

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13969/intel-details-new-9th-gen-cpus-for-notebooks-9980hk-9300h

Basically, up to eight cores instead of six, and likely coming this quarter. No real architectural improvements or process shrink, so these will run hot.

Yep, it's almost certain that MBP will be updated with Comet Lake this year. I don't expect much difference from these CPUs, as its still the same Skylake core with tweaked power management. Few percent gains at most. Also, they are adding two cores for some CPUs but disabling hyper threading, so I don't see major changes for multi-threaded code either. The Comet Lake i9s will be similar to the current i9 — insanely powerful on paper, but requiring desktop-class cooling to fulfil the suggested expectations. Although with HT disabled, the i9 might have a real chance to outperform the i7 on multithreaded code.

I am pretty certain that the 2019 update will be :

minor CPU update
Vega 20 standard
remove bezels
same chassis [improve cooling if possible],
same keyboard [minor improvement]

it won't be a major redesign. That will wait for the new CPU next year.

I don't even think we are going any changes to bezels this year. Probably just Comet Lake update + GPU improvements. New chassis (with smaller bezels and larger screen panels) next year.

 

[richinaus]

Yep, it's almost certain that MBP will be updated with Comet Lake this year. I don't expect much difference from these CPUs, as its still the same Skylake core with tweaked power management. Few percent gains at most. Also, they are adding two cores for some CPUs but disabling hyper threading, so I don't see major changes for multi-threaded code either. The Comet Lake i9s will be similar to the current i9 — insanely powerful on paper, but requiring desktop-class cooling to fulfil the suggested expectations. Although with HT disabled, the i9 might have a real chance to outperform the i7 on multithreaded code.




I don't even think we are going any changes to bezels this year. Probably just Comet Lake update + GPU improvements. New chassis (with smaller bezels and larger screen panels) next year.

You could well be very right, as this is the usual thing on an update like this. The reason I say screen updates is that it wouldn’t be too hard to do, if everything else remained the same.

 

[leman]

You could well be very right, as this is the usual thing on an update like this. The reason I say screen updates is that it wouldn’t be too hard to do, if everything else remained the same.

I have to say that I am very exited for a display update. Leaks suggest that Apple is bringing segmented backlight to their displays, which would make it probably the first usable HDR implementation for computers, where image quality matters more than TVs. I hope that they will use this tech in laptops as well.

 

[chucker23n1]

Yep, it's almost certain that MBP will be updated with Comet Lake this year.

AFAICT, it'll be Coffee Lake Refresh for the larger one (H CPU) and Comet Lake for the smaller one (U CPU). Either way, no big deal.

 

[badsimian]

I don't even think we are going any changes to bezels this year. Probably just Comet Lake update + GPU improvements. New chassis (with smaller bezels and larger screen panels) next year.

I just can't see how they could release any more machines with this keyboard. They would get slaughtered in the press surely?

 

[Dave245]

I just can't see how they could release any more machines with this keyboard. They would get slaughtered in the press surely?

Maybe a gen 4 that fixes the issues?