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I don't know where most people live when they post on here (on every thread) that "there's free WiFi everywhere!" but I've found that to be a total myth. Most places I go have no free WiFi -- or, if they do have WiFi, it's over an unsecured network and/or so slow as to be completely unusable. I've lost count of the number of times I connected to WiFi and was unable to even refresh twitter because of some issue.


Exactly. These people must think everyone lives in a big city or some college school.

Btw watching video or listening to music will chew through data faster than you think.
 
Thanks. One more question - is 3Mbps good or bad?

It's horrible, I get 40mbps right now on the at&t family share plan

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The family plan actually seems like a lot better deal.

The family plan has no free calls to Canada / Mexico, and neither does it have no-roaming unlimited service in Canada or Mexico. I've just had to make a business trip to Canada, and I had to get the T-Mobile's One plan. I made a family vacation out of the business trip, so I got two lines from T-Mobile for $100 with unlimited calling, texting, and data (up to 28 GB) as well as 10 GB of tethering. The tethering really saved my bacon as in the most crucial moment, I couldn't VPN via the corporate network to the network devices from Canada. So, I used the T-Mobile's tethering and was able to achieve everything I needed. The project turned out to be a success.

T-Mobile really surprised me. In Ontario, they partner with Bell and Telus. I actually had a choice of which provider to choose manually, or I could set it to automatic and let my cell phone choose the provider. I was blown away by the speeds of data in Canada. I was consistently getting close to 100 Mbps down and over 20 Mbps up. On many an occasion, my download speed was over 100 Mbps and my upload speed was over 30 Mbps, and that is from within concrete office buildings as well as on the street. The fact that I was able to get all of this for $100 also blew me away.

Now that I'm back in the US, I'm using the bandwidth meter app (Ookla) on my iPhone 7 as well as on my wife's iPhone 6s Plus and measuring bandwidth everywhere I go. I am getting amazing speeds on T-Mobile in the US. From my house, I get over 100 Mbps down and over 30 Mbps up on T-Mobile LTE. I go on a forest trail for a 4-mile walk and get over 60 Mbps down and about 20 Mbps up. I popped in the AT&T SIM (family share plan) in to my iPhone 7 on the same forest trail, and the bandwidth I got from the same spot was 6 Mbps down by 1.2 Mbps up. Currently, I have 30 MB of data on my family share plan (I jumped on every promotion AT&T had in the past few years to upgrade my data allowance), and this 30 MB of data includes tethering.

I have two more weeks left in my AT&T billing cycle, and I'm now seriously considering switching to T-Mobile especially with the T-Mobile One plan costing $100 for two lines for unlimited (up to 28 GB) data as well as unlimited voice and texting and 10 Mbps of 4G LTE tethered data. If I need more tethered data, I can upgrade to T-Mobile One Plus plan that gives me up to 28 GB of tethered data (same amount as on-device data) before T-Mobile would start throttling me, which is only 2 GB of data a month less than what I have with AT&T, but the 28 GB of tethered data with T-Mobile is per line (not shared). I believe T-Mobile One Plus costs $25 more per line, but my wife won't need it. So, even with T-Mobile One Plus at $125 per two lines (with the other line being on T-Mobile One), I'm still much better off with T-Mobile than these AT&T plans, especially considering that the $125 price is all inclusive (no additional fees or taxes). Additionally, if I want to travel, T-Mobile has free voice and texting in something like 140 countries, which is really unbelievable. In all foreign countries besides Canada and Mexico, T-Mobile doesn't have LTE data speeds, but they still provide unlimited data on 2G, which is better than nothing, and it costs nothing additional even though you may be half the way across the world.

I always thought T-Mobile was a crappy carrier, but the last two weeks made a believer out of me, and I now think T-Mobile has made an unbelievable comeback and is definitely worth considering switching to from AT&T or Verizon.
 
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Actually, the US is ever so slightly smaller than the EU (9.8 million square km vs 10.2 million square km). The amount of people living there is also larger (300 million vs 500 million) and because every country has its own providers, you would expect rates to be higher. Instead, you can get rates of about 1/3 that of the US that include unlimited data over the entire EU without roaming chargers.
Add to that that some networks give you zero cost roaming in the USA, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and some other places.
By zero cost, you make a call from the USA to say Germany and the call comes out of your plan minutes.
Oh and don't forget that when we Europeans quote a figure, it includes at least 20% VAT.
 
When I saw the "choice" plan at first glance I thought, finally, a good deal for individual users that don't need a family plan. Then I saw that it's limited to 3 Mbps and no tethering whatsoever. :rolleyes: Always a catch. They just can't get over themselves and offer a reasonably priced plan that is not crippled to the point where it's useless ...
 
Mobile Share Value 20GB w/ rollover for 2 lines one on NEXT and we pay $150/month - that's after all fees and taxes with discount. don't even go near 20GB anyways so i think we're staying though att needs to up their game on these plans. i'd have to think they would roll out something new once the new iPhone gets released.
 
Thanks. One more question - is 3Mbps good or bad?

Compared to LTE speed? I'd say it's bad but useable.

I feel like 3mbps is the speed your data drops down to after you someone goes ever 22gbs of Lte data. It'll make you appreciate high speed wifi that's for sure.
 
The only thing that seems truly unlimited is the number of these plans that get named 'Unlimited' which then stipulate various limitations within the terms of the plan.
 
3mbps makes it a no brainer to use cricket if you are considering that plan. It is unlimited for $65 (after $5 Autopay credit) and caps speeds at 8mbps.
 
Lol, I never thought I would ever say this but when did the US get such expensive data plans? I live in Canada I have unlimited LTE for $45/mth. It may not be as fast as the services offered in the US, but at home I have 1 gigabit internet and WiFi at work so I really don't care. After 5 gb of downloads is slows down, but for streaming music, checking emails and websites between hone and work I hardly know any difference.

In fact in total I am spending < $150 a month for Gigabit Internet, Fibe TV including HBO and unlimited Cell Phone, in Canada even, when did this all change? I used to envy the US for their cheap telecommunications plans but not anymore if $145/mth just for a phone is considered a DEAL!?

Are we going to start seeing telecommunication refugees coming up to Canada because they can't afford to Tweet in the US anymore?
 
WTH is with those prices? What are people doing with their iPad's that spending $2K+ for a data plan (plus $30/mo) is somehow a good financial decision???

Not 100% sure, but the iPad unlimited plan, unlike the iPhone, does not have data caps. It's 100% 4G unlimited data. So my guess would be that people are jail braking their iPad and using it as a hotspot. In that instance, one could break even pretty quick.

But even if they are not jailbreaking data-only plans for 20GB of data are $100/mo. So that would be $70 saved per month. It would only take a bit over 2 years to break even.
 
Finally. I wonder how many customers they lost in the last couple weeks to make them get competitive. I am a long time AT&T grandfathered unlimited customer and was in the process of moving to Verizon. Might just stick with AT&T now.
 
So, they raised the initial cost, lowered the per line charge, but it is still not worth it for me to switch, not to add $60 to my bill to go from 30GB to unlimited. Sorry, not happening.
 
Well, they're headed in the right direction now, at least.

As someone with a 24% FAN discount, the new "plus" plan includes hotspot and is ~$5.00 per month cheaper than the existing unlimited plan that does not include hotspot. Something to consider.
 
What about Grandfathered that still have the subsidies? Are those gone?


Long gone. ATT cut out subsidies a year or more ago. The original ATT grandfathered unlimited plan makes 0 economic sense anymore with the $5 increase and this current crop of unlimited offers. Grandfathered plans do not include texts or unlimited talk and no tethering. So anyone who still has a grandfathered plan is actually paying more for less. I dumped my grandfathered plan a couple weeks ago for TMob. Pretty happy so far with their service and saving $100 a year. But if something happens to the quality I can switch to VZW tomorrow.
 
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U.S. hotels no longer charge for WiFi -- since at least 2015. Some require you to book the reservation on the hotel's site or register for their frequent traveler program - but doing so is free too. Personally, having traveled around the world, I don't mind the price of US cell phone plans because I know everything else is relatively less expensive in the U.S. than any other industrialized city - cars, housing, food, electronics. How many threads are there here of Europeans traveling to the US asking where to buy an Apple product here b/c they want to save $. So it's amusing they find one area where a service is more expensive than Europe and run with it like they it's for an Olympic medal.
What's really funny is when I was in Europe (2010), nearly all the hotels charged for wifi and I thought it was ridiculous because I don't remember being charged at any US hotels.
 
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Long gone. ATT cut out subsidies a year or more ago. The original ATT grandfathered unlimited plan makes 0 economic sense anymore with the $5 increase and this current crop of unlimited offers. Grandfathered plans do not include texts or unlimited talk and no tethering. So anyone who still has a grandfathered plan is actually paying more for less. I dumped my grandfathered plan a couple weeks ago for TMob. Pretty happy so far with their service and saving $100 a year. But if something happens to the quality I can switch to VZW tomorrow.

I'm on a grandfathered plan and get unlimited text and unlimited mobile to mobile. I guess that's actually different but I have over 7k rollover minutes and calls over wifi so I guess it's a non issue lol for unlimited talk.

Yeah no tethering either.
 
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