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Better Call Saul (AMC - Potential Spoilers)

Huntn said:
Lol, that's not a spoiler. So we know Chuck's problem is psychosomatic. You'd think this would have been easy to test prior to now, but I did not write the episode. :p Still trying to figure our what Kim's comment, bingo meant.

I forgot to mention thumbs up, skillfully written episode.
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i didn't want to risk giving anything away
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Huntn said:
Lol, that's not a spoiler. So we know Chuck's problem is psychosomatic. You'd think this would have been easy to test prior to now, but I did not write the episode. :p Still trying to figure our what Kim's comment, bingo meant.

I forgot to mention thumbs up, skillfully written episode.
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Same here. The only thing Kim learned from her conversation with Chuck and Howard was that Jimmy didn't destroy the only copy. In threatening to move to suppress entering the tape into evidence, Kim was trying to make Chuck think that she didn't wanted it played. In fact, Jimmy and Kim wanted that to support the contention that Chuck was trying to entrap his brother, culminating in his rant where he admitted that he hated Jimmy.

Of the many things I liked about Breaking Bad, one was the clever use of camera angles, a practice that continues in Better Call Saul. The closing shot in the last episode was a case in point. It framed Chuck on the witness stand, diminished in stature, and the red exit sign in the foreground, to emphasize that the effect of electricity wasn't real and symbolize Jimmy's exit strategy.
 
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pachyderm said:
your mother dresses you funny
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Lol, ok the gloves are off, you mother wears COMBAT BOOTS and it's out here for everyone to see!! :p
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Roller said:
Same here. The only thing Kim learned from her conversation with Chuck and Howard was that Jimmy didn't destroy the only copy. In threatening to move to suppress entering the tape into evidence, Kim was trying to make Chuck think that she didn't wanted it played. In fact, Jimmy and Kim wanted that to support the contention that Chuck was trying to entrap his brother, culminating in his rant where he admitted that he hated Jimmy.

Of the many things I liked about Breaking Bad, one was the clever use of camera angles, a practice that continues in Better Call Saul. The closing shot in the last episode was a case in point. It framed Chuck on the witness stand, diminished in stature, and the red exit sign in the foreground, to emphasize that the effect of electricity wasn't real and symbolize Jimmy's exit strategy.
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You explained it! :) Bingo meant they verified there was a tape so they could plan their strategy, although that was slightly overblown imo. Jimmy and Kim could assume this anyway and make the same plan, because there is no way, Chuck would not have played that tape. And from Jimmy and Kim's perspective it was entrapment and I kind of agree.

As far as the character of Chuck, regarding Jimmy, it's love hate. He loves his brother but is convinced he is a **** (maybe he is) and to some degree he pushed, and is turning Jimmy into what he is becoming. Although looking at Jimmy's background, he is a natural scammer, where it might have been possible if he had been embraced by his brother, to have turned out differently. We'll never know. :)
 
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I'm looking forward to learning under what grounds the disciplinary board lets Jimmy continue to practice law. Chuck may be amenable to letting his brother hang a new shingle as Saul Goodman, but the panel has evidence that he committed a felony. I wonder if after Chuck's confession they'll rule that Jimmy was entrapped. I guess we'll find out soon.

Meanwhile, it'll be interesting to watch what Vince and co. do with the Gus-Hector-Mike storyline. There's a lot of potential to show what happened in the couple of years before Breaking Bad. I especially want to find out how Hector becomes ill. I have a feeling that his stroke wasn't accidental.
 
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Roller said:
I'm looking forward to learning under what grounds the disciplinary board lets Jimmy continue to practice law. Chuck may be amenable to letting his brother hang a new shingle as Saul Goodman, but the panel has evidence that he committed a felony. I wonder if after Chuck's confession they'll rule that Jimmy was entrapped. I guess we'll find out soon.

Meanwhile, it'll be interesting to watch what Vince and co. do with the Gus-Hector-Mike storyline. There's a lot of potential to show what happened in the couple of years before Breaking Bad. I especially want to find out how Hector becomes ill. I have a feeling that his stroke wasn't accidental.
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Although we all know he's guilty, the evidence of Jimmy committing a felony was diminished by Chuck's illness, his apparent vendetta against Jimmy, and the possibility/doubt from the Board's perspective that Jimmy's confession purpose was trying to sooth his ill brother.
 
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Roller said:
I'm looking forward to learning under what grounds the disciplinary board lets Jimmy continue to practice law. Chuck may be amenable to letting his brother hang a new shingle as Saul Goodman, but the panel has evidence that he committed a felony. I wonder if after Chuck's confession they'll rule that Jimmy was entrapped. I guess we'll find out soon.

Meanwhile, it'll be interesting to watch what Vince and co. do with the Gus-Hector-Mike storyline. There's a lot of potential to show what happened in the couple of years before Breaking Bad. I especially want to find out how Hector becomes ill. I have a feeling that his stroke wasn't accidental.
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i think last night's ep answered the first part of your post...

And the second past as well...
 
pachyderm said:
i think last night's ep answered the first part of your post...

And the second past as well...
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Sort of. We know that he's become Saul Goodman as a TV pitchman (which, IIRC, contradicts the reason for the name that Jimmy provided in Breaking Bad), but we don't know when he officially becomes Saul Goodman the attorney. I assume that would have to be officially sanctioned by the bar.

I thought Hector was having his stroke, but the pills saved him. However, as soon as one of them hit the floor, I said that Nacho would save it and use it against him. I wonder if Gus will be involved somehow.
 
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This might have been the worst episode in a while. I don't care about Lydia, she was a weak character in BB. All she does is weaken Fring's strength and turn a powerful character into a puppet.

The Jimmy making deals stuff is old. I'm done with these small scale antics. BB got better every season as the stakes got higher and higher. It's too late in the series for BCS to take this big of a step backwards.
 
AustinIllini said:
This might have been the worst episode in a while. I don't care about Lydia, she was a weak character in BB. All she does is weaken Fring's strength and turn a powerful character into a puppet.

The Jimmy making deals stuff is old. I'm done with these small scale antics. BB got better every season as the stakes got higher and higher. It's too late in the series for BCS to take this big of a step backwards.
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i disagree. i enjoyed it. i BB was way too slow more often than not.
 
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AustinIllini said:
This might have been the worst episode in a while. I don't care about Lydia, she was a weak character in BB. All she does is weaken Fring's strength and turn a powerful character into a puppet.

The Jimmy making deals stuff is old. I'm done with these small scale antics. BB got better every season as the stakes got higher and higher. It's too late in the series for BCS to take this big of a step backwards.
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If the series is planned to run five seasons, we're only about halfway through, so I don't consider it late in the series.

Remember how Gus reacted when Hector killed his partner at Don Eladio's place? We're seeing him change from that into the schemer in Better Call Saul, but still giving in to Hector's demands, such as letting Nacho take the extra bag of drugs. Lydia is just part of the sequence of events on Gus's way to becoming the ruthless character we know from Breaking Bad.

At this point I think that Jimmy still thinks he can get through his one year suspension and go back to his practice with Kim. He's done some shady stuff, but like Gus, he's on a journey to turning into the Saul Goodman we know.

Admittedly, this might not be fun to watch with lesser actors. But Bob Odenkirk and Giancarlo Esposito are so good that I, at least, find it very entertaining. Jonathan Banks is excellent, too, but his character isn't too far from Breaking Bad - he just needs partners.
 
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balamw said:
Only one left this season. Loved last night's episode.

Things are well set up for the finale.

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I liked it, too. It's been fascinating to watch the continued transformation from Jimmy to Saul over the last two episodes, especially his shameless manipulation of Irene to get the settlement payoff. His facial expressions as he sat next to her after her bingo win were priceless. Bob Odenkirk deserves an Emmy.

I thought that Kim was going to get into an accident when she got into the car after Jimmy called attention to her all-nighter preparing for her Gatwood Oil meeting. The shot of her wrecked car with papers strewn around it was a metaphor for her career at that point. Does she try to resurrect it or follow Jimmy down the rabbit hole?

And, now that Hector's taken the bait, will we see him suffer his hemorrhagic stroke?
 
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Roller said:
I liked it, too. It's been fascinating to watch the continued transformation from Jimmy to Saul over the last two episodes, especially his shameless manipulation of Irene to get the settlement payoff. His facial expressions as he sat next to her after her bingo win were priceless. Bob Odenkirk deserves an Emmy.

I thought that Kim was going to get into an accident when she got into the car after Jimmy called attention to her all-nighter preparing for her Gatwood Oil meeting. The shot of her wrecked car with papers strewn around it was a metaphor for her career at that point. Does she try to resurrect it or follow Jimmy down the rabbit hole?

And, now that Hector's taken the bait, will we see him suffer his hemorrhagic stroke?
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Just watched this, looking forward to next week. :)
 
AustinIllini said:
Finally a good episode for the finale. Chuck's performance blew any of Jimmy's out of the water this episode. Is Chuck dead?
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On Talking Saul, which aired after the finale last night, Peter Gould strongly implied that Chuck is dead. He was also quoted in Variety: "This is a guy that’s in this house that’s filled with these lanterns with flammable fuel. And he’s got stacks of newspaper and books all around him. So, really, it doesn’t look too good."

But that doesn't mean that we won't see Chuck in flashbacks, which happen a lot in this series. I hope so—Michael McKean is a very good actor.

Gould also hinted that Kim will disappear at some point. Something to the effect "We know that Kim isn't in Breaking Bad so we'll have to figure out what to do with her." But there are presumably two more years to go, so she'll be around for awhile. When Jimmy finds out about Chuck next season I'm sure Kim will be the one who helps him deal with it.
 
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Finally finished the season on the DVR. I really enjoyed it and think the show is a fascinating character study. It was hilarious seeing Kim binge in Blockbuster. That really brought back some memories.
 
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mscriv said:
Finally finished the season on the DVR. I really enjoyed it and think the show is a fascinating character study. It was hilarious seeing Kim binge in Blockbuster. That really brought back some memories.
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Agreed, although I don't like all these series with short seasons that are separated by a yer or more. The next episodes of Game of Thrones and Westworld, which I both like, may not air until 2019.
 
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