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Better Call Saul (AMC - Potential Spoilers)

Well, last night's season finale was interesting. All that setup and Mike doesn't fire a shot at anyone. I was also a bit surprised that Jimmy fell for Chuck's set up at the end, though he really does love his brother to the extent that he'll risk everything for him.

Those of you who watched Talking Saul know about the episode titles easter egg - the first letters from season 2 are an anagram for "Fring's back." Vince Gilligan acknowledged this, and I don't think he was purposely being misleading. So if it was Gus or one of his people who left the note on Mike's windshield, maybe that's where the connection begins.

Now we have to wait until next year to see what happens...
 
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Was disappointed to see Mike wasn't able to get the shot he wanted, but that's Murphy's Law for you.

Also saw it coming that Chuck set up Jimmy up in his space blanket Faraday Cage scene. Finally Chuck used a little cunning to his advantage. Too bad he had to do it against his brother.
 
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It's just too bad Chuck used the sympathy and love of his brother to set him m up. Though I sense Jimmy is not gong to get disbarred anytime soon. ;)
 
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What do y'all think of season 3? The pace is a bit slower than I'd like, but the acting is as great as ever. I also like what the directors do visually, as in last night's episode showing Kim getting ready for her day, the road level shots, and the scene with Kim and Jimmy silhouetted against the backlight as they smoked.
 
Roller said:
What do y'all think of season 3? The pace is a bit slower than I'd like, but the acting is as great as ever. I also like what the directors do visually, as in last night's episode showing Kim getting ready for her day, the road level shots, and the scene with Kim and Jimmy silhouetted against the backlight as they smoked.
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So far so good.

The tension between Jimmy and Kim's legal practices under one roof is palpable. I loved Cinnabon Jimmy's outburst "don't say anything, get a lawyer!"

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The Mike stuff is awesome but the Jimmy stuff just isn't anymore. The legal drama stuff just isn't interesting. Saul Goodman is a lawyer who commits schemes to keep himself out of court. This is just getting a little meh.
 
If Better Call Saul runs for five seasons, as Breaking Bad did, it will reach the halfway point in about two episodes from now. At some point we'll have to see how Jimmy McGill transitions to Saul Goodman while remaining in practice in Albuquerque. Does he reach a deal with Chuck to drop charges if he changes his name, thus no longer sullying the McGill family in Chuck's eyes? I don't know.

I also don't know precisely where Better Call Saul falls in the Breaking Bad timeline. Clearly, the current episodes take place before Walter White discovers better living through chemistry because he hires Saul in season 2 in Breaking Bad. But when the timelines converge, will we see more about what Saul, Mike, Gus, and others did during the Breaking Bad years?

The other thing the show runners are facing is that the actors aren't getting any younger. Jonathan Banks, in particular, looks quite a bit older. Not surprising—eight years have passed since he first appeared on Breaking Bad. Even Giancarlo Esposito looks somewhat different. Not that this has anything to do with their acting ability—I think both are excellent—but it does affect my perception of the characters somewhat.
 
Roller said:
If Better Call Saul runs for five seasons, as Breaking Bad did, it will reach the halfway point in about two episodes from now. At some point we'll have to see how Jimmy McGill transitions to Saul Goodman while remaining in practice in Albuquerque. Does he reach a deal with Chuck to drop charges if he changes his name, thus no longer sullying the McGill family in Chuck's eyes? I don't know.

I also don't know precisely where Better Call Saul falls in the Breaking Bad timeline. Clearly, the current episodes take place before Walter White discovers better living through chemistry because he hires Saul in season 2 in Breaking Bad. But when the timelines converge, will we see more about what Saul, Mike, Gus, and others did during the Breaking Bad years?

The other thing the show runners are facing is that the actors aren't getting any younger. Jonathan Banks, in particular, looks quite a bit older. Not surprising—eight years have passed since he first appeared on Breaking Bad. Even Giancarlo Esposito looks somewhat different. Not that this has anything to do with their acting ability—I think both are excellent—but it does affect my perception of the characters somewhat.
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Interesting enough, I gave BB a chance and abandoned it as being too depressing of a story. Despite knowing this is the same kind of story, and know Jimmy McGill is headed down, not up, part of me moronically keeps rooting for him. I think his brother Chuck is a big ****** who instead of encouraging his brother, convinced of his immorality, has spent his life putting up roadblocks. There was a chance of a happy ending for Jimmy, but not by Chuck's hand. And Chuck is screwed up himself, but as evidenced by the last episode, I think he'll be happy as long as Jimmy is no longer a lawyer. Regarding the final fate of Jimmy McGill, I'd be very amused if AMC entered into an alternate reality to surprise us, but I'm not counting on it. :D
 
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Huntn said:
I'm looking forward to next week's episode! :)
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Last night was unusual. The first half seemed much more like a Breaking Bad episode, showing more of the backstory of Hector and Gustavo. Both are great characters, so I enjoyed that part. But it was also good to see Jimmy and Kim scheming against Chuck, who never misses an opportunity to turn the screw a bit more, as when he upped the amount due to account for the damaged cassette. I still haven't figured out exactly what Jimmy and Kim are up to, especially
how Mike's photos fit in. Also looking forward to next week.
 
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Roller said:
Last night was unusual. The first half seemed much more like a Breaking Bad episode, showing more of the backstory of Hector and Gustavo. Both are great characters, so I enjoyed that part. But it was also good to see Jimmy and Kim scheming against Chuck, who never misses an opportunity to turn the screw a bit more, as when he upped the amount due to account for the damaged cassette. I still haven't figured out exactly what Jimmy and Kim are up to, especially
how Mike's photos fit in. Also looking forward to next week.
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I'm wondering if there is an angle to get Chuck disbarred or undermine his argument for Jimmy's disbarment because of his phobia? There is also the possibility that Mike located the original tape.
 
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Huntn said:
I'm wondering if there is an angle to get Chuck disbarred or undermine his argument for Jimmy's disbarment because of his phobia? There is also the possibility that Mike located the original tape.
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My thoughts exactly. Or as Kim said: "Bingo!"

Something about what Chuck said in the hallway fit their plans.

I loved both halves of this episode. The Hector/Gus/Mike story and the Jimmy/Kim/Mike/Chuck story. Filling in gaps from Breaking Bad and adding new stories leading up to it.

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My thoughts exactly. Or as Kim said: "Bingo!"

Something about what Chuck said in the hallway fit their plans.

I loved both halves of this episode. The Hector/Gus/Mike story and the Jimmy/Kim/Mike/Chuck story. Filling in gaps from Breaking Bad and adding new stories leading up to it.

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Kim got Chuck to admit there were only two tapes, an original and a duplicate. That's the only part of the conversation that struck me as strange.

I'm wondering if Mike ruined the (original) tape when he was in the house.
 
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The series is awesome as ever, just frustrating that we get one episode a week. Even though I seem to remember Netflix saying they'd never release things weekly and would always make everything available in one go, when they first started up. o_O
 
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Kim got Chuck to admit there were only two tapes, an original and a duplicate. That's the only part of the conversation that struck me as strange.

I'm wondering if Mike ruined the (original) tape when he was in the house.
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Yes, Kim got Chuck to admit that he has the original tape, which shows that he was trying to trap Jimmy.

The part I didn't understand was the pictures Jimmy had Mike take. But I just re-watched the preview of episode 5, and based on the clips of the bar hearing, I think that the goal is to prove that Chuck has significant problems. If Chuck is going to put Jimmy out of business as a lawyer, Jimmy is going to try to do the same to Chuck.
 
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Yes, Kim got Chuck to admit that he has the original tape, which shows that he was trying to trap Jimmy.

The part I didn't understand was the pictures Jimmy had Mike take. But I just re-watched the preview of episode 5, and based on the clips of the bar hearing, I think that the goal is to prove that Chuck has significant problems. If Chuck is going to put Jimmy out of business as a lawyer, Jimmy is going to try to do the same to Chuck.
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That's the primary reason that strikes me (for taking pictures) that Chuck has issues, that provide Jimmy an out to claim Chuck is unstable, imagining things, or that Jimmy's confession was to soothe Chuck. Interesting that the last angle was already discussed by someone, Jimmy or Howard (I forget :oops:).

What's most interesting is the empathy I have for Jimmy although he did undermine HH&M illegally although they did screw over Kim legally. ;)
 
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That's the primary reason that strikes me (for taking pictures) that Chuck has issues, that provide Jimmy an out to claim Chuck is unstable, imagining things, or that Jimmy's confession was to soothe Chuck. Interesting that the last angle was already discussed by someone, Jimmy or Howard (I forget :oops:).

What's most interesting is the empathy I have for Jimmy although he did undermine HH&M illegally although they did screw over Kim legally. ;)
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Continuing with my theory on what's going to happen...

We know from Breaking Bad that Jimmy will eventually continue to work as an attorney under the name Saul Goodman, but it's doubtful that he could do that without the state bar's approval. So I wonder if Jimmy and Kim will try to show that Chuck is unfit to serve as an attorney using the pictures that Mike took and then will reach a deal to let Jimmy keep his practice, but only if he changes his name. I think that Chuck is more interested in preventing his brother from practicing law under the McGill name than in ruining him completely.
 
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Or maybe she's just able to walk away...?

i doubt it though. i've been thinking for a while not that she gets killed. :(
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Just because Kim's character wasn't in Breaking Bad doesn't mean that she couldn't continue in BCS in some form. Although I can't imagine her giving up her role as a legitimate attorney to follow Jimmy when he becomes Saul, they could maintain some sort of connection.
 
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Or maybe she's just able to walk away...?

i doubt it though. i've been thinking for a while not that she gets killed. :(
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No way she just walks away. That would arguably destroy the show. Whatever happens to her shapes who Saul Goodman is in Breaking Bad.

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Just because Kim's character wasn't in Breaking Bad doesn't mean that she couldn't continue in BCS in some form. Although I can't imagine her giving up her role as a legitimate attorney to follow Jimmy when he becomes Saul, they could maintain some sort of connection.
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They won't. Something will happen to her. She would have been in Breaking Bad if she were still alive.
 
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