Eh? I've just said that specs wont reveal what the panel is actually doing in 1080p24hz mode. Everyone here is assuming it doesn't actually refresh at 24hz, based on their own opinion thats impossible, but as the spec sheet nor the display says anything other than its in 24hz mode you'd never know what its operating at. The only spec you're interested in is if it can do natively 1080p24.
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Biggest ATV4 disappointment. No 1080p24
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Eh? I've just said that specs wont reveal what the panel is actually doing in 1080p24hz mode. Everyone here is assuming it doesn't actually refresh at 24hz, based on their own opinion thats impossible, but as the spec sheet nor the display says anything other than its in 24hz mode you'd never know what its operating at. The only spec you're interested in is if it can do natively 1080p24.
Yes, that was the point of my post, research. How do you find out exactly what is going on with your television? Well, You can either buy the gear and test it yourself, or do your research. There are plenty of websites that get right into the nitty gritty of HDTVs, steer clear of Cnet and Engadget and the like, go to a proper HDTV/AV enthusiast website and you'll find out all you need to know.
But I don't really care how my set does 1080p24 mode as long as it does it. It makes no difference to me if it does it 24hz, 48hz, 96hz - so long as it does it.
That my friend is probably one of the best statements I've read in this thread.
That's all that really matters, or should be all that matters, to anyone. When you sit down to watch your TV, if it looks good to you then the screen is perfect. No matter what any spec, or technical detail, or other person thinks.
I like to know the tech bits of my stuff, but if I didn't like the look of the picture, I wouldn't buy it no matter what the numbers say.
It looks like according to this site and their tests, that Samsungs dont seem to support this feature at all on inputs of 60 frames per second
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/24p
Yea, it's not perfect, the processor has to detect and treat the frames accordingly. Actually I believe the reverse telecine process has always worked well, I remember a lot of computer based dvd players doing it. It was never really an option on a TV until LCD displays and the like came and basically became small computers. I believe older tube TVs had to play at 29.97 because of the AC current feeding the tube.
I agree with the lack of 24p support being a huge disappoint, but why aren't too many people also complaining about the lack of DTS, DTS-HD, and Dolby True-HD passthrough support? 
I agree with the lack of 24p support being a huge disappoint, but why aren't too many people also complaining about the lack of DTS, DTS-HD, and Dolby True-HD passthrough support?
This is actually a bigger deal for me than 24p. Both are disappointing though.
Ah, the classic, my football boots are better than yours because they've got Ronaldo's face on them. Who cares if my feet don't fit in them. Or something like that
Spec wars are pointless at the best of times, something will do what it does and that's that. But if you can't even make use of the thing your complaining about missing you might as well complain that the sky isn't purple with yellow spots. Make your choice and enjoy what you have, all the whinging in the world won't change it.
Which is why I tell my friends that say "the new Apple TV doesn't support 4K, it's crap...", yeah because those 4K movies will stream so well on your 10mb internet connection. I probably need to wait another 2-3 years to get Internet speeds to even consider watching something in 4K.
I've got the Internet connection for it, but not the tv
I'm in no hurry to jump in to 4K though, played that game enough to have learned to wait. I've watched a bit on friends TVs though and honestly, to me, yes there is a definite difference between streaming 1080p and streaming 4K. There's a real improvement.
But the difference between streaming 4K and a really good 1080p Blu-Ray. Not so much. I think it'll be a while yet before streaming 4K really comes into its own and 4K Blu-Ray is going to blow it out of the water.
Ah yes, limited to 1080i sources. I was afraid that might be the case. Sorry, it's been a while since I owned a Samsung television.
No television operates at 24hz, because a refresh rate of only 24 x per second makes it unwatchable. My plasma offers a 48hz option, and even at double 24hz the flicker makes it unwatchable for most people. The best options available for a "true" 24p playback experience were those higher end Panasonic Plasmas which could do 96hz. I'm not aware of any other displays which did so. And I abandoned the 48hz mode for 24p playback because testing by others discovered that the television's handling of taking a 24p signal and turning it into 60hz was good enough that making your eyes bleed at 48hz wasn't worth it.
I'm not saying your television doesn't play 1080p24 content back smoothly, but it's not doing it at 24hz. To actually be watchable, it'd need to be some higher value divisible by 24. Maybe you've got a 120hz or 240hz LCD, although having one of those doesn't inherently mean a television plays a judder-free 1080p24 signal. When places like CNET and HDGuru review displays, they typically check to see how well they handle judder, reverse telecine, inverse telecine, etc.
I would be complaining about that but I'm still not clear what exactly the Apple TV is doing with those DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD tracks. They're obviously not passing through to the receiver that way (as the receiver gives no indication that it's receiving said track), but I'm also not certain there's any loss of quality, either.I agree with the lack of 24p support being a huge disappoint, but why aren't too many people also complaining about the lack of DTS, DTS-HD, and Dolby True-HD passthrough support?
I've got the Internet connection for it, but not the tv
I've watched a bit on friends TVs though and honestly, to me, yes there is a definite difference between streaming 1080p and streaming 4K. There's a real improvement.
But the difference between streaming 4K and a really good 1080p Blu-Ray. Not so much. I think it'll be a while yet before streaming 4K really comes into its own and 4K Blu-Ray is going to blow it out of the water.
Yeah i believe you, I want 4K too eventually. I am so jealous when I see people on YouTube saying things like man this ISP is terrible, I only get 60mb now instead of 80. Makes me cry haha.
Literally my 8-10mb Internet, in one of wealthiest area in England, is barely enough to stream 1080p stuff without buffering, it's so bad.
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Good god, what provider do you use? I'm with Virgin Media and I get a constant, stable 159Mbps and that's getting increased to 200 sometime over the next couple of months.
160, WOOOWWWWWW, that is like alien technology.
I am on plusnet, was at talk talk before, glad I left before they got hacked. My god they were bad, same speed tho.
For me it must be my area around just outside London. Maximum ADSL is 8, I can't event get the 18mb that plusnet and others offer.
I live in a fairly modern apartment and in Surrey, which is why it annoys me so much.
My friend used to live in a much worse area and flat than me but he still got ADSL speeds of around 30-40 and that was like 4-5 years ago.
No fibre optic support yet too, thank you British telecom.
Are you in central London?
I might need to make some phones calls to every provider there is tomorrow. And people complain about Apple TVs lack of 4K support lmao.
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Its not doing anything with them apart from dropping them at sources. There is always a Dolby Digital or DTS backup which is what its sending instead.
160, WOOOWWWWWW, that is like alien technology.
I am on plusnet, was at talk talk before, glad I left before they got hacked. My god they were bad, same speed tho.
For me it must be my area around just outside London. Maximum ADSL is 8, I can't event get the 18mb that plusnet and others offer.
I live in a fairly modern apartment and in Surrey, which is why it annoys me so much.
My friend used to live in a much worse area and flat than me but he still got ADSL speeds of around 30-40 and that was like 4-5 years ago.
No fibre optic support yet too, thank you British telecom.
Are you in central London?
I might need to make some phones calls to every provider there is tomorrow, lol.
Blimey, it's shocking that there's no fibre support in Surrey for goodness sake, it's hardly a remote isolated area, what kind of excuse could they possible have. I'm in Scotland, a bit north of Edinburgh, but the fibre coverage from Virgin Media all around here is incredible.
I'd go insane with slow internet these days, always been with Virgin on their top tier so the speed has been awesome ever since it started back in the old days when half a meg
was cutting edge. God, even my phones internet barely dips below about 35Mbs, I still get amazed by it occasionally when I think back to the Dial-Up internet days when I had a 14.4 kbit/s connection. Ah, those were the days Blimey, it's shocking that there's no fibre support in Surrey for goodness sake, it's hardly a remote isolated area, what kind of excuse could they possible have. I'm in Scotland, a bit north of Edinburgh, but the fibre coverage from Virgin Media all around here is incredible.
I'd go insane with slow internet these days, always been with Virgin on their top tier so the speed has been awesome ever since it started back in the old days when half a meg
Tell me about, it is simply shocking. I was quite used to this slow internet until my parents, who live in the south of Spain, recently got fibre optic and speeds of like 12mb.
I know it's still terrible, but standard ADSL speeds in most areas down there is like 1-4mbs. You couldn't even stream HD movies or watch HQ YouTube videos, 12mb there is a miracle.
Again that's why I laugh when people talk about 4K streaming because I think they have no idea how bad Internet is in most places around the world.
And all over the US now we have cable companies that also provide Internet seeing their television revenue go down so they're starting to cap the Internet and jack the rates for it.
One way or another these awful companies are planning to get their usual $150 a month out of people - whether it's for tv/net or just for net. They have no plans to let people cut them off and just use the Internet and safe any real money.
This is completely true, 24p was originally chosen for economy and was a trade off giving the lowest number of frames whilst still giving smooth motion - it's now just a legacy frame rate that has stuck.
edit: If this guys correct I stand corrected - it was to do with the Audio!
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Yeah I just realised my browser didn't show the the other 7 pages of this thread - I feel like a right tool!
I heared that too, TV companies are in desperation mode. I haven't paid my yearly license to watch TV in the Uk in years because I don't watch TV, it's terrible. Even premium stuff you pay for like Sky simply sucks.
My TV is not even connected to receive free channels, all that's connected is an Apple TV because apps such as Netflix, UFC fight pass , Amazon prime or iTunes is all I need. It destroys the TV experience in every regard. Especially now with the new Apple TV you can multitask, which I can't remember they showed at the keynote, it is so so sweet.
That's why Internet is so damn crucial lol.
Some ISP here in the uk didn't or still don't even offer proper unlimited internet. There is always a catch. Same goes for unlimited 4g on your mobile, only the good ones offer it.
When I got 4g here initially I got speeds of like 40-60mb, which is ridiculous considering what my ADSL speed is, but now after 1-2 years my 4g speed is normally in the region of 30-40 Mbps.
Definitely, I don't know what I'd do without internet anymore, so much relies on it. I'm glad that Virgin Media not so long ago decided to stop any kind of traffic management for their top tier packages. So we get full speed downloads 24/7. They do restrict the upload speed by 50% for a period of 60 minutes if you go overboard with uploads but that doesn't affect me.