Jack Neill
macrumors 68020
I think the back will look ok with a case. I don’t like the camera bump on my XS but with all case where it sits flush it’s fine.
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Bloomberg: 2019 iPhones Will Have Centered Apple Logo on Back
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I think the back will look ok with a case. I don’t like the camera bump on my XS but with all case where it sits flush it’s fine.
DaveN
macrumors 6502a
If you can't wait, you can give me your credit card number and I'll take your money now. /s
Would be nice if that charger was included with your $1500 phone instead of being a $79 extra expense
But Tim is too cheap to even give a SIM eject tool
Falhófnir
macrumors 603
True that... don't now about the sim eject tool, though considering everything else they've been stripping out of the retail packages I'm not sure I'd be surprised!
EugW
macrumors P6
I think the charging speed maxes out at 18 Watts.
When I travel with my MacBook, I just bring my 29 Watt charger for my MacBook and iPhone. Or else for multiple devices, my 29 W MacBook charger and 12 W iPad charger.
I tried just the 12 W charger and it works with the MacBook, but very slowly.
Note 10+ comes with 25W and supports 45W, that's the new standard for flagships Apple should at least be living up to
Falhófnir
macrumors 603
Oh yeah, I'm not expecting it to deliver 87W to the phone. I believe the device controls power draw, 18W seems about right for an iPhone. I usually use the 12W iPad charger which I find does an acceptable job. I guess the cap is heat related, though might also be to do with the extra wear on the battery of the device fast charging causes, though I'm not sure it would be enough to make a noticeable difference over 2-3 years?
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Maybe or maybe not. I’m sure Apple has done their research and will include whatever they deem appropriate for a majority of their user base. Maybe the same reason every car in the planet doesn’t have a top speed of 200+ and zero to 60 in 1.5 seconds...same as the “flagship” high-end cars.
Falhófnir
macrumors 603
I think it's beyond reasonable argument they include the 5W adapter because it saves them a couple of cents per unit - they've gotten pretty brutal with taking out things that used to be included in the box so you have to buy it separately. There's no other real reason they'd support fast charging but not give you the power brick to do it out of the box. On that I've no doubt @Khedron is right.
EugW
macrumors P6
I agree 5W is too small but I also think 45W is e-peen territory, esp. since at those power levels battery life will be negatively affected.
Anyhow, rumour has it the 2019 iPhone models will come with an 18W adapter. We will see if that is true or not.
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
They don’t seem it necessary and really it isn’t.
The rumoured 18w cable would suit many people speed wise
IMO even 18W is pathetic for a $1000+ phone. My old, cheap, midrange OnePlus 6 was 20W out of the box (and with a nice cable that has been far sturdier than Apple's lightning cables ever have).
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
It’s a nice thing to Brag about but really isn’t a big deal. Can’t remember the last time I needed to use a cable
On my S10 plus it mattered as battery life was poor compared to my max is now
Not at all. This is the definition of real world usage. It's benchmarks showing Apple's chips are fast that are meaningless (especially since they end up RAM-bottlenecked anyway).
When charging is fast you don't need to remember to put your phone to bed like it's a child, or only visit places with wireless charging points during the day. Fast charging means you wake up with a near-empty phone and can give your phone a day's juice in the time it takes to have a shower and get dressed.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Seems like Samsung has done the same thing...headphone jack on note 10, removing things that used to come “in the box”. However without knowing apples rational, “profits” are always a good meme to bring up.
Samsung includes USB-C noise-cancelling headphones by AKG in the box. Plus spare tips for the S-pen. Plus a SIM tool. Plus a case.
Apple charges $129 for a Pencil 2 and then wants another $19 if you need a spare tip.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
So that’s the rational? It’s okay to remove the headphone jack because something else is included? But one is paying for those freebies in price of the phone.
Falhófnir
macrumors 603
Er, what's with the deflection to Samsung? What's included on a device is a similar but ultimately separate consideration. But we're talking about Apple's decision not to include a fast charger with iPhones. So go on, then, what alternate rationale is there for including and advertising a feature (fast charging) but not including a fast charger to enable said functionality in the box?
teknikal90
macrumors 68040
2 more days before my iPhone xs and series 4 watch become absolute junk and therefore i must upgrade.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Apple has done their market research and determined the majority of customers don’t need or want a faster charger. Why clutter up the landfill even more with electronic waste.
The other opinion is profits. Depending on your view of Apple will determine which viewpoint one takes.
newellj
macrumors G3
The phone controls the charge rate once the maximum is available from the adapter. A higher watt adapter has no effect on charge rate or battery life. MacRumors did a test a while back comparing a wide variety of adapters. Charge times were essentially flat (identical) from 18W through 87W. So 45W would be a waste of money and size, but an 87W MacBook adapter isn't going to age the battery any more than the 18W adapter (and barely more than the tried and true 12W iPad adapter).
rohanparekh
macrumors member
2/10 effort
You get marks for pretending it helps the environment, but in that case Apple should include no charger and let the customer decide what they want rather than producing millions of pathetic 5W chargers most people won't ever use
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Sure. It’s better than the profits meme and more plausible. But don’t agree with buying a phone charger optional. Need some charger and Apple decided 5w it is.
I give my post 8/10 and your suggestion 1/10.
EugW
macrumors P6
I was talking about the Samsung, which supposedly supports 45 W charging.
I already said the iPhone maxes out at 18 W. To get support for more than 18 W would mean a new iPhone model.
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