Its more like Apple only wants to sell ram to those that are affraid to touch the insides of their computer. Or for those that want everything in their computer to be covered by the Apple warranty.
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Its more like Apple only wants to sell ram to those that are affraid to touch the insides of their computer. Or for those that want everything in their computer to be covered by the Apple warranty.
Bill the TaxMan
New Video Card
My ATI x1900 video card does a good job for me in my Intel Mac Pro. That is until you decide to use the new Mac OS 10.5.x system. At present most of the time 1 or more windows leave an artifact line. It is even on the back drop picture. Sometimes resizing the window will get rid of the lines. The easiest thing to do it to move the images to a display that is attached to a Nvidia video card.
Apple says that they know about the problem, but have no answer to the problem. One semi-English speaking lady did not admit to knowing, but an Apple repair rep from Ontario knew the problem very well. Nothing has worked so far. Maybe a new model video card is what is needed. This is just one problem with Mac OS 10.5.x. Other stability is very poor with 2-3 kernal panics on the 1st.
Bill the TaxMan
My ATI x1900 video card does a good job for me in my Intel Mac Pro. That is until you decide to use the new Mac OS 10.5.x system. At present most of the time 1 or more windows leave an artifact line. It is even on the back drop picture. Sometimes resizing the window will get rid of the lines. The easiest thing to do it to move the images to a display that is attached to a Nvidia video card.
Apple says that they know about the problem, but have no answer to the problem. One semi-English speaking lady did not admit to knowing, but an Apple repair rep from Ontario knew the problem very well. Nothing has worked so far. Maybe a new model video card is what is needed. This is just one problem with Mac OS 10.5.x. Other stability is very poor with 2-3 kernal panics on the 1st.
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Carl Spackler
macrumors 6502
I find HDCP to be highly annoying and fail to see how it does anything but piss off the consumer, or possibly, more specificlly, if I understand this right...me.
So, if i buy an external Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drive, connect it to a currently availalble MacBook, which is connect to my 23" ACD, I cannot view the content properly?
Can someone tell me where the HDCP enabler resides? It would make sense that it is with the player. The Wiki on the subject alludes that a video card driver would do the trick. I'd prefer not to have to buy some sort of a breakout box or dongle to do this. Surely it can be enabled via software, right? Pretty please.
diamond.g
macrumors G5
If you buy an external drive all it does is transport information from one location to another. HDCP is only required for the output to your monitor/tv. HDCP is just a form of encryption. It ensures (well supposedly) that you cannot get a bit for bit copy of the content after it leaves the player/pc. AACS keeps you from getting a viewable copy of the content before the monitor/tv portion (also supposedly).
In order to have HDCP you have to have the hardware for it. That is why there was some talks of a class action lawsuit against the GPU makers for saying that their cards supported HDCP when there was no HDCP chip on them.
Nym
macrumors 6502a
You'll all be laughing but this is the truth!
The porn industry moves a lot in this world! If Sony's stance on porn is "No porn BD's EVER!!!" and HD-DVD companies are like "Bring'em on!!" than I'll bet here today that HD-DVD will win the format war... easily!
BTW, I couldn't care less what format will win, and I just don't see Apple announcing anything related to BluRay at MWSF, it just doesn't add up.
Still.. I could be wrong (and for your sake I hope I am, options are always good) 🙂
Carl Spackler
macrumors 6502
Understood, I think. So for my example, Apple or another company would have to sell some sort of device that would sit between my ACD and the computer that has HDCP "decoder" in it.
DVIMAGIC appears to be a stripper, but certanly there has to be more legit version possible.
Yes they do.
From the Macbook Pro specs: (http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html)
- NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processor with dual-link DVI support and 256MB of GDDR3 SDRAM.
From the 8600M GT specs: (http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8600M_techspecs.html)
- HDCP capable
The only real question is whether the screen in the MBP is HDCP compliant.
your right....I am laughing, but not because its the truth....porn is already out on blu-ray and is selling much much faster than hd-dvd porn. so, if it does have an affect on the war it is in blu-rays advantage.
and second, porn is moved a lot on the internet, not so much home video anymore. so although your idea seemed revolutionary, porns affect has already been downplayed over the last year.
Indeed.
At the start of the battle the crucial thing for small (this case porn) companies was the high cost of masters and printing of disks. The HD-Dvd seemed more affordable at that time so companies like Vivid Video went HDDVD way.
Now that the battle has turned to BR and 75% (some article) of BR players are PS3 the adult industry has to start to cater the clients in that sector.
Them being...You know, young+single+affluent+male customers...
etrigan63
macrumors newbie
Intel's Penryn crop of Core2 processors covers the entire line from mobile to desktop to server/workstation. This is the refresh to 45nm and Hi-K dielectric gates, lowering power consumption even more. Pat Gelsinger has publicly stated that Penryn based system can realize up to a 40% performance increase at the same clock speeds.
Intel is going to be pushing these processors hard into the channel and to ALL OEMs. Macbooks (Pro and otherwise), iMacs, and Mac Pros are all slated for these new chips. When Apple will do this is anyone's guess. It is my opinion that the Mac Pros will get the refresh first as they are due and Intel has been shipping the Harpertown Xeon part since November. iMacs and notebooks will follow. CES, which starts next week, will be awash in Penryn/X48 PC systems and motherboards.
Apple may choose to upgrade silently like they did with MBP and Santa Rosa or they will make an event out of it. More than likely, iMacs will be made quad-core across the line and Mac Pros 8-way across the line to differentiate the systems.
AMD Phenom brings quad-core pricing down to the masses (most parts are sub-$200) so the consumer desktop at quad-core will be a reality this year.
This is my opinion, gleaned from conversations with members of the industry, my peers in the web community and the technical press. You are free to respond as you see fit.
diamond.g
macrumors G5
Doesn't matter, notebook are exempt when using the internal display. It only matters when driving an external display. It would be a miracle if Apple utilized AVIVO/PurevideoHD. They seem to be bent on not utilizing tech that the GPU makers have bee touting since the x800/6800 were first released.
diamond.g
macrumors G5
Actually the G92 has decryption support via the PurevideoHD (VP2) system. Now if Apple were to actually use it....
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
diamond.g
macrumors G5
No sooner than when C2Q mobile processors are available. Unless Apple switches over to using Desktop C2Q's. Unless you were asking a trick question...
Which should be released sometime in 2H'08.
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
I have to agree with 2H 2008 for mobile parts as well but the previous poster made it seem that they were just around the corner alongside a Penryn Mac Pro.
DakotaGuy
macrumors 601
I understand that you are 100% confident the format war is over or will be over in the next few months, but as far as I am concerned it is still going. You are suggesting that everyone should fork over $400-500 to get a PS3 so they can play Blu-rays and if they don't they are just cheap or don't deserve to have HD media. Let me ask you a question, "Why is Vizio number one in HDTV's?" Vizio offers a lot of value for the money. If Blu-ray could offer the same kind of value then I might be interested, but right now the only decent player is $400+. Sony expects you to buy a PS3 even if you just need a movie player. I have a feeling that even if Blu-ray wins we will never see low priced fully featured stand alone players because Sony will not let someone get in the way of hurting PS3 sales. Blu-ray is only becoming cheaper because of the competition of HD DVD and don't kid yourself on why the PS3 say price cuts. It was because they are getting their butts handed to them on a platter when it comes to gaming system sales. Compared to the success of the PS2, the PS3 could be considered a market flop. Again, we are different consumers. You think the Wii is only good for small children or 15 minutes of fun. I have spent many hours playing all different kinds of games on my Wii and have a great time. It is the only system I ever felt comfortable with and understood. It is very intutive as far as I am concerned.
Anyhow I don't see your issue with customers that look for value. Price is an issue for me and for many other people. It seems like wealthy people always discount the fact that money is an issue for some people. Anyhow I will watch and continue to support HD DVD until I can buy a fully 2.0 compliant standalone player for under $200. If that never happens then I don't think Blu-ray is going to be much of a consumer market success.
Oh by the way I do buy combo disks when I can. I haven't found a portable blu-ray player yet...have you?
I am suggesting everyone should fork over $400-$500? yes, I remember me saying in this thread "hey, everybody needs to go spend $500 and get blu-ray or I will kill them" 🙄 I have never made such a claim, and its silly for you to even say such a thing. NOR did I ask you to go buy an HD TV or an HD-DUD player. You are very quick to blame others for your decisions.
yes...Vizio does offer a lot of value for your money, I agree....BUT ITS A TV 😀 you are able to feed it whatever medium you want, for as long as you want. your hd-dud player can only be fed hd-duds /dvds and unless you plan on just watching DVDs for the next 10 years you will only be able to enjoy new duds for the short portion of its remaining life.
You automatically assume a low price tag means better value, which in some cases it might be true but in many it's NOT. in the case of your hd-dvd player, for example, you spent nearly $200...for christmas I bought my parents a ps3 for $299 ($100 off at sonystyle.com) which is a 1080p blu-ray player, internet browser with hispeed wi-fi, 40 GB harddrive, photos, music, chat, and oh yeah a video game console (thats not any value to you right? 😛 ) absolutely none of the features I just listed are included with your player, which will be obsolete in a matter of months. Besides being able to play an obsolete format, there is nothing your player can do that the ps3 can not.
it only takes a slight bit of common sense to recognize that in the long term, and sadly the short term as well, you got less value for your dollar.
I did not ask you to do this, nor did sony, FYI.
Well, seeing you cannot make wise decisions for yourself and that you are talking out of your ass, I do not value your "feeling" that we will never see cheap blu-ray players. Players are already sub $300, and with competetion from many different manufactures (sony, samsung, pioneer, LG, marantz,panasonic, phillips, ect compared to only toshiba in the hd-dud camp) the prices will surely come down. I am not kidding myself, there is a lot of internal competition you obviously know nothing about. The ps2 had slow sales during its first year as well, and many analysts predict the ps3 to soon outpace the xbox360 and over the next 5-10 years the Wii. the wii is a fine system for some, but the ps3 offers a more complex and in depth gaming experience, which for me provides hours of interesting and visually stimulating expereinces.
Once again, you have completely missed the point of myself, and others, when talking about the "value" of your player. I, and noone else, commanded you to buy a high def player so if you were tight on money, why invest at all? Why waste a couple hundred dollars on essentially an upconverting dvd player? It sucks you wasted your money, but thats what happens when you base "value" on the price tag alone.
I have no issue with customers who look for value, as I am one of them. I researched the hi-def war prior to making a purchase and after seeing apple on the BDA, blu-ray continually leading in sales, and the incredible value of the ps3, my side was obviously on blu.
I am just a smart consumer, first year out of college so although im making better money than you, I am not wealthy. I will watch and continue to support blu-ray as people like you are forced to hop on the bandwagon, and I will welcome you with open arms.
I didn't ask if you buy combo discs, I asked how many you have and are slated for release in 2008?
DakotaGuy
macrumors 601
Yes you probably make more money then I do, however I live in a small South Dakota town and rent a pretty nice little house for $225 a month so I probably save a little over you on cost of living. Anyhow, I only own a couple HD DVD's that are Combo disks, but I just was stating it is nice to be able to take a disk over to a friends house or play it in a laptop or portable player. Like I have already said, I am much more of a renter then a buyer.
I have said all along if Blu-ray wins and decent stand-alone players come out for a good price I will buy it. I plan to spend this year watching HD DVD's (mostly rented through Netflix) and then I will see where the war is in 2009 and the pricing of the stand alone players. As far as being welcomed with open arms...I think most Blu-ray supporters will tell us to get lost and ridicule us jumping up and down saying...haha I was right! I guess I'll will see if you are different then the rest. As far as being able to surf the web with the PS3my Wii does the same although with an iMac in the same room it is a pretty pointless feature for me. I guess it is kind of fun for watching a YouTube video on my TV anyhow.
I have read the message boards over at bluray.com and I have never seen such a display of hatred for people who think different. Blu-ray is like a religion. I honestly think some would get violent towards people who have a different feeling towards HD media.
Why do you think that I have no idea how to make wise decisions? I had to make decisions during my year in Iraq that kept people alive so I know how to make wise decisions. You are taking one decision I made and trying to apply it to my entire life.
PS3 is a great value now. Sales picked up substantially with the arrival of the 40 GB model, and $100 price cut on the 80 GB model. Xbox 360 has about 17 million sales to date with a one year lead vs (I'm guesstimating here based on last quarter and analyst projections) about 9 million sales to date. PS3 seems to have become a hot item.
Just saying, but a PS3 and Rock Band were the popular gift this last Christmas for the teen children of friends, and they already had a Panasonic DMP-BD30K and a Sharp 1080P for Blu-Ray viewing.
CWallace
macrumors G5
Both the United States and Japan are Region A in Blu-Ray, so you can watch Japanese Blu-Ray discs on US equipment. I just picked up the "Air" box set on Blu-Ray.
As to why the UK and Japan were DVD Region 2, the UK uses PAL where Japan uses NTSC so you still couldn't play DVDs from either country on the other's players unless your DVD or television were multi-system and could output PAL and NTSC (or convert one to the other).
I still use DVD-RAM for long-term archival in addition to multiple HDD backups.
MiniDisc remained very popular in Japan (because it was smaller then CD). I also had MiniDisc (and DAT) and just imported newer machines and discs from Japan until I eventually went CD-R and then PMP.
It is likely that the next generation of Macintosh portables and the MacPros will support HDCP over DVI and perhaps HDMI. I'd also like to see DisplayPort on the computers as well as the next Cinema Displays so we're covered all around.
Porco
macrumors 68040
I'm in the UK. If I'm importing foreign equipment, sure, I could buy a Japanese or US player. To go with my UK player. But as with DVDs, it's insane that you should have to buy two machines that hardly differ at all, other than an arbitrary technological crippling that's just there to boost profits.
The vast majority of TVs in the UK support NTSC signals too (have done for years, with few exceptions), and just about every single UK DVD player outputs NTSC video too, so that is a bit of a non-point.
CWallace
macrumors G5
Aye. I do have an older multi-region DVD player that also converts PAL to NTSC, but it does not support HD-upconverting. So now I just strip the region coding off my foreign NTSC DVDs and re-burn them to DVD(-DL) so I can use them anywhere. The multi-region/multi-system player is solely for playback of my PAL discs.
I'm also in the UK and got myself a Japanese 60GB PS3 and nipped the problem in the bud right at the start. I've been buying my blu-rays over the net while at the same time chuckling at how late and overpriced they sell for here. On that point, it applies in equal measure to HD DVD - if it's region free a smart consumer would be doing what I am doing anyway and just importing them (since the late arrival and high cost to this region applies just as much as it does to blu-ray). Otherwise there isn't much reason for HD DVD advocates to brag about the lack of region coding.
Definitely agree with your point of needing to buy two regional players though. Region coding really does suck, but at least there appears to be a sort-of way around it (region A).
Porco
macrumors 68040
That's a good point... I guess over time the money saved on the discs you buy (and I buy a LOT of films on DVD currently) would actually 'pay' for the imported machine itself...
Thanks... food for thought there zetsurin and CWallace.