Boot OSX on a NVMe Card

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  1. ezylstra macrumors member

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    Unfortunately, the performance measures I'm using aren't fully effective. Disk tests are being directed to the PCIe SSD. A much better test would be some intensive high-k video processing. As for concerns about where stuff is stored, many have said you won't notice a difference using a SATA SSD for booting verses a PCIe SSD.
     
  2. MisterAndrew macrumors 65816

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    Any benefit to creating a fusion drive with an NVMe & AHCI blade SSD such as SM951 or SSUBX rather than with a SATA SSD?
     
  3. ezylstra macrumors member

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    I would expect the fastest component drives would give the best results. NVMe and AHCI would be fast. NVMe and NVMe would also. NVMe or AHCI and SATA would be on average a little slower depending on what the fusion drive stores. Very large video would likely end up on the larger store, usually the slower media.
     
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    Well I'm going to try this NVMe/SATA fusion drive method. It's hard to tell which NVMe SSD to go for. I read the newest PM981 has a lot of issues with MacOS and the 960 EVO and Pro look like fine options but apparently still lack proper power management. So I decided to get a genuine Apple NVMe drive. They are more expensive so I got a 128GB. The 2TB fusion drives in a new iMac seem to be fast using those. I'll pair it with a larger 860 EVO 2.5 SATA and see how that works out. The SSUBX drive works fine except it hangs for almost a minute at boot with it installed in slot 3. It didn't do that in slot 2, but I can't install it there now with the new GPU covering it. Hopefully the new setup won't do that.
     
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    You are the man, then for all the contribution!
     
  6. armdn macrumors member

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    Im tested Fusion with NVMe Intel 750 and Samsung SM951 AHCI. Everything works. In next two weeks i plan to test booting from Intel Optane itself, and then Fusion with Optane.
     
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    Can we use the APFS format with the fusion drive? I know Apple doesn't support APFS for fusion drives with a HDD counterpart yet, but does it work with the SSDs?
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    What kind of speeds are you getting from the NVMe/SATA fusion drive? I read on reddit that someone made a fusion drive from 2 SSDs in their iMac and they were getting the lower speeds of the SATA drive. Also, if one of the SSDs fails then the drive is lost. I think I'm going to back away from this fusion drive idea.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/4uuita/i_just_made_a_diy_fusion_drive_from_2_ssds_on_my/
     
  8. Le_Cactus macrumors newbie

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    Maybe it's not a brilliant idea, but why not just moving the user folder (all the documents, apps and projects who need high read/write speed) to an nvme ssd, and still using an AHCI SSD for the OS?
     
  9. h9826790 macrumors G4

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    This is what I believe a good option indeed. Using symbolic link should able to provide very seamless experience.
     
  10. MisterAndrew macrumors 65816

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    Okay, so with the user folder and apps moved to the faster drive then it would not be set up as a fusion drive. That sounds like a better option. Do the NVMe drives attain any better speed than 1500 mb/sec in the cMP? That’s nearly what I’m getting with the SSUBX.
     
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    I believe 1500MB/s is the max you can get due to limited to PCIe 2.0 x4. Unless there is a PCIe card that can turn PCIe 2.0 x16 into two PCIe 3.0 x4 slots.
     
  12. armdn macrumors member

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    Apple officially not supported fusion drive with APFS.
     
  13. MIKX macrumors 6502a

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    Maybe a stupid question but . .

    . . . can this re-direction technique be used with an internal NVME SSD 2.5" SATA drive & a USB2.0 stick ?

    ( I DO realise that speed will be limited to the cMP SATA2 bus.)
     
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    May I know how to install a NVME SSD via a SATA port?
     
  15. armdn macrumors member

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    What the point to do that? There is a better choice for SATA, for example Intel DC S3700 Series SSD.
     
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    Yeah, it was a stupid question .. overtired.

    What I meant was PCIe M.2 adaptor with NVME SSD blade & the USB mod posted by the OP.

    Booting or non-booting possible ?

    ( . . .still overtired .. )
     
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    Booting possible. But TBH, I believe making a Fusion Drive is much easier.
     
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    Have anyone tried to make a PCIe M.2 NVMe & a normal SATA SSD fusion drive? Is it possible to boot from it?
     
  19. MIKX, Apr 21, 2018
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    Does anyone else feel that we need a "sticky" on this "Boot OSX from NVME". ?
    I really, really do think so.

    NVME is the ONLY system in Apple's history that we CANNOT BOOT from.

    WHY ?

    I surmise that is so that cMPs will finally die.

    It's illogical that 4,1 & 5,1's got a firmware update to use APFS .. . but .. . no booting.

    NVME for data only is so un-Apple-like.

    Is NVME booting planned for the next lineup in Hi Sierra final release ?

    We KNOW that booting from NVME is either 10.12. or 10.13 can he done with hacks.

    I will be buying a Samsung 960 Pro NVME in keen anticipation that some talented Mac cMP hacker-owner will triumphantly post here ( soon ).

    ( Where is S.J. when you need him ? He would never allowed this to happen. )
     
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    Then, where is logic to make MacBook Pro non-retina (late 2011) bootable from NVMe? Efi update writes nvme driver into macbook with sata.
     
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    I wonder if anyone open a ticket on Apple bug report page to state that "unable to boot from NVMe" is a bug.
     
  22. MisterAndrew macrumors 65816

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    I tested a genuine Apple SSPOLARIS NVMe SSD in my cMP. I attempted to install HS on it and it failed so I can confirm the latest firmware lacks the ability to boot NVMe even genuine. However, I did a speed test and it’s no faster than the AHCI SSUBX. In fact, it’s a little slower. Write speed was about 750 mb/s and read was about 1485 mb/s. On the SSUBX I get about 1485 mb/s write and 1505 mb/sec read. So even if it could boot there is no point at all to choose an NVMe over the AHCI for the cMP. Only reason would be if you planned to later move it to a new system that could take advantage of its full potential.
     
  23. armdn macrumors member

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    Isn't this obvious, that NVMe drive will work better on PCIe v.3.0 instead of 2.0/1.1 in cMP?
    For the reason, i think macOS Server is the choise for NVMe.
     
  24. MisterAndrew macrumors 65816

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    Well yeah, but I didn’t expect the performance to actually be worse than AHCI in the cMP when these are the suppose to be the fastest drives. I guess if you got an X16 adapter and put it in slot 1 or 2 you would see more benefit. I don’t think there are any X16 adapters for the proprietary Apple SSDs though.
     
  25. armdn macrumors member

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    Proprietary SSDs from Apple not the only choice. There is an anothers one. Like Samsung, Kingston, Plextor, Intel, Toshiba... etc. I prefer Intel as it stable and reliable as rock with best write resource. But this is my opinion.
    Why performance poor? Well, i guess the firmware of thoose nvme drives is not optimized for using on lower speeds. But still greater than standard SATA/SAS.
    It is good that we have ability to boot from NVMe on cMP, as we have now a choice wider than only AHCI.
     

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