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Canada iTMS November 30?
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Because a) I didn't pay for a levy through my iPod - I bought it before there were levies on hard disk mp3 players, and b) I believe in paying for music, and I believe that music has value.Agathon said:
MattG said:
Hope your writing it on a PM 3.0ghz running Copland.
Delays and missed promises are NOTHING new for Apple or any other company. Apple promised something they could deliver, but then something happened. I think the only people more mad than any of the Canadians are the iTMS people and Steve.
HoserHead said:
Nothing, but it obviously has something to do with why Apple is having trouble opening this store.
Sure, we're mad that they missed November - but what I am personally more upset about is that they missed November and haven't told us why, or an alternate date, or even said "It's coming very soon, hold your horses." Leaving your customers in the dark is the worst thing you can do to them.the_mole1314 said:
HoserHead said:
Well, frankly you're a bit of a sap then.
I also believe that music has value and I believe in paying for it. On the other hand I believe that everyone has to abide by the law, and that if an industry lobbies for a law that is blatantly unfair to consumers, that the same industry has no valid complaint if the same law turns out to give consumers rights that they don't like. The record industry tried to rip off Canadians and managed to persuade the government to let them. Now the boot is on the other foot, I can't say I'm sad.
The law in Canada allows file sharing. Until that law is changed, it is not stealing (unless you don't understand what "stealing" means).
There is no moral issue either. At least nothing more immoral than telling a friend a joke that you heard on the television last night.
You really have no case.
The best reason for using the iTMS is that it is easier to pay money for reliable downloads.
The only person from what research I did was the Products & Technology PR Director Natalie Kerris saying it would be out in november. Also Apple always seems to have a show for a release along with invitations to the press and such. I believe that she owes the Explanation. She shouldn't have spoke so early without any knowing for sure it was or wasn't going to go down. Apple could have ran into last minute deal problems.
Apple obviously believed that all the negotiations with the Canadian authorities was coming to fruition (they even started plugging the Canadian iTMS store on tv) but something must have happened to delay the intro. In the end it's not really Apples fault. Do people believe that the don't want to put the store in as many countries as possible? Sometimes I wonder if Apple fan(atics) have any sense of the real world. It will happen when everything comes together. Apple is spending a great deal of time and money getting these stores on line. Oh, one other thing. The Canadian market is extremely small in the scheme of things. Apple can survive quite well without a store there. But they are doing their best to get it going under difficult legal problems. Give them a break and grow up (some of you). My rant is over. 
Jobs himself said just a couple of weeks ago that iTMS.ca would be out in November.
Happy November 31st, everybody!
Happy November 31st, everybody!
pkradd said:AApple is spending a great deal of time and money getting these stores on line. Oh, one other thing. The Canadian market is extremely small in the scheme of things. Apple can survive quite well without a store there. But they are doing their best to get it going under difficult legal problems. Give them a break and grow up (some of you). My rant is over.
PKRADD, Apple is building the Canadian ITMS for one reason: profit. Spending time and money is what's called a business expense. Canadian customers want the store, so it's a win-win. But don't keep the misguided notion that Steve is rewarding Canadian fanboys with ITMS.
Also, if any Canadian bought an ipod after Steve said ITMS would be in Canada in November, you'd have a great case to return the ipod to Apple for a full refund.
oh really?
Universal healthcare that doesn't work well, sure. I know a few canadians who like to tell me the problems with the system. Besides, if it was such a great system why would canadian docs be moving to the US to work? We all know how sue-happy US citizens all. There must be a reason behind it. A higher standard of living is a joke. You live no better or worse than any of us americans. Mature media? Now that's open for debate. You guys originated naked news As for our political leader, I don't like him either. But, I don't think he's a vegetable. More like a puppet to other people who helped him get elected.
Agathon said:
Universal healthcare that doesn't work well, sure. I know a few canadians who like to tell me the problems with the system. Besides, if it was such a great system why would canadian docs be moving to the US to work? We all know how sue-happy US citizens all. There must be a reason behind it.
A higher standard of living is a joke. You live no better or worse than any of us americans. Mature media? Now that's open for debate. You guys originated naked news As for our political leader, I don't like him either. But, I don't think he's a vegetable. More like a puppet to other people who helped him get elected.
HoserHead said:
I'm not trolling at all, seriously (feel free to look at my past posts). I just know that the government setup in Canada was one of the reasons Steve mentioned for the difficulties, and to a lesser extent the labels.
I mean realistically, there's a levy on media and players...a little silly, I think.
Sorry, I really wasn't trying to illicit any volatile responses.
Ysean said:Universal healthcare that doesn't work well, sure. I know a few canadians who like to tell me the problems with the system. Besides, if it was such a great system why would canadian docs be moving to the US to work? We all know how sue-happy US citizens all. There must be a reason behind it.
Universal healthcare works extremely well. It has its problems, but it is the best solution yet found to the distribution of health care. The US pays more as a percentage of GDP than Canada does on health care (that's including private insurance), and yet can't provide health care to all US citizens and Canadians are on the average healthier than Americans.
In other words, you are all wasting money on an inefficient system when you could pay less by letting the government do it and get better results overall.
Of course right wing hacks love to pretend this isn't the case. But they they are right wing hacks, which automatically marks them off as idiots.
BTW - the brain drain is a myth.
And Canada routinely beats the US in the UN's Human Development Index, despite not being as rich (as do countries like Norway). For years Canada had the world's highest standard of living bar none.
Of course RWI's will say "the UN is biased, it's a conspiracy" (it isn't.).
Laurent said:
Why Bush of course.
I don't trust "news sources" as a rule so I don't take much of what is aired as fact. And to be quite honest, we have enough problems in the US for me to worry about other countries at this time. As for the iTMS Canada bit.... I'm sure they ran into a snag with licensing at the last minute which has caused a delay. Hopefully it won't be too long so (some of the pissed off whiny) canadians can go about enjoying the service. I mean I really don't know what all the fuss is about. I use iTMS here in the US. But, it's no cheaper than going to the store and buying the physical CD on most newly released music. It's the back catalogue that makes iTMS worthwhile.
I don't get it. Fellow Canadians, when this store comes out, what are you going to do? Do you not already have a collection of music downloaded from p2ps on your computer? Are you going to delete those files and download everything again from iTunes? Or have you been waiting through this whole "napster" thing until some company came along and told you it was finally legal to download music from their service?
I can see some use in the full album downloads, saving a bit of time as such... but come on!
I can see some use in the full album downloads, saving a bit of time as such... but come on!
as a canadian who is(still) longley awaiting the launch of iTMS in Canada there is only one response worthy of this deley......BLARGH!!!!!!!
supergod said:
Come back on here when you aren't 17 and have a job and we'll talk. I'm sure everybody has heard enough about the "stealing vs non-stealing" stuff.
I will use ( and do use iTMS UK ) iTMS Canada to download only the songs that I like. I haven't bought a full album in ages ( apart from albums from 3 particular artists who I consider always good quality ) - out of 10 songs, 3 songs may be good - the others just pure junk. I'm not paying for a full album for 7 howlers.
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