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Stella said:
Maybe windows sucks for you - but everyone else has their own opionion. Windows sucks for me too, btw. Due to the install base of windows - I'm sure there are more happy windows users than total OSX installations! OSX isn't suited to everyone for whatever reason - just like Windows or any other piece of software that has ever been created.

Driver issues are a relative small problem - but I'm sure that you'll post some antidocial reasons why this is not the case.
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I don't really see how Mac OS, and even Windows in a way, can be "not suited" for something. It's just that Windows is overall unstable, and upgrades are a ripoff. The reason for the huge market share is that

1. If you buy a new Mac, you are forced to buy high specs, so it is too expensive.
2. People don't know that you can just buy an old Mac for the price of a Dell or HP or Acer.
3. Apple sucked until the late 90s.
4. People don't want to switch back because it's hard for them to get used to the OS.
5. Apple computers look less professional because they are so sleek and easy to use.
 
Oletros said:
Windows 7 and DVD driver- Please, the next time try to tell a more plausible thing
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It's actually happened to my friend, too. It happened to me in Windows 98, but that's really old.

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Les Kern said:
Desktop: Meh
Laptop: Meh
Keyboard: Real nice, reminds me of Apple's KB, eh?

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Some will, sure. But not the sane ones. Because if that were true the Cube or the lampshade imac would be ubiquitous, eh?
Tired of your "fanboy" ****. Seriously.
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I'm using a 2006 iMac, and people I know consider it very old. I'm an Apple user, but I don't buy new products because I don't need them. Seriously, the only thing I ever use an iPhone for is Maps.
 
faroZ06 said:
I don't really see how Mac OS, and even Windows in a way, can be "not suited" for something. It's just that Windows is overall unstable, and upgrades are a ripoff. The reason for the huge market share is that

1. If you buy a new Mac, you are forced to buy high specs, so it is too expensive.
2. People don't know that you can just buy an old Mac for the price of a Dell or HP or Acer.
3. Apple sucked until the late 90s.
4. People don't want to switch back because it's hard for them to get used to the OS.
5. Apple computers look less professional because they are so sleek and easy to use.
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Windows is stable. It's only unstable if you don't know what you're doing.

Windows has a lot of market share because of choice. People can choose different models with different prices and specs or build their own computer and install Windows.
 
thenerdal said:
Windows is stable. It's only unstable if you don't know what you're doing.
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I know what I'm doing, and it's unstable (and malware-prone). I frequently get random errors when I just try to move a file to the desktop. I always need a driver to connect to ethernet. IE kept opening randomly and telling me about the information bar, even when I pressed "do not show again". If I put a flash drive in, it always asks if I want to "scan and fix" it. When I press yes, it corrupts the drive half the time, the other half, it deletes files that it can't read.

If you don't know exactly what you're doing, it gets very very bad. Whoever set up the school computers failed... it gives me a warning every time I try to move a file because it may be "harmful". It takes 5 minutes to boot up. It's 3.4GHz quad-core, 4GB RAM, with Windows 7.
 
Windows 7 is very stable...

There are a great deal of ways an OS can be unsuitable for some one / or business.

How about some examples, these are pretty obvious IMO.

1. Mobile development: Windows Mobile 7 development. Try doing that on a Mac. iPhone development.. try that on windows.. you can't.
3. General Software availability - your chosen software just isn't available on the windows / or mac. A business depends on that software.
4. Price of hardware.. you mention that below, but... why spend $1000K on Apple hardware when a $299 windows PC will someone just fine.
5. Hardware not compatible with operating system ( I'm looking at you, Apple ).
6. Games. Windows is far better for gaming than Macs. And don't say "Buy a console either".. its a tired reason and not particularly valid, since many games on PCs aren't available or suited towards consoles.
7. Macs are not customizable ( except for Mac Pro ).
8. USB3 :)

Ease of use is subjective. Some people find windows easier to use than OSX, and vice versa. Not everything is black and white...



faroZ06 said:
I don't really see how Mac OS, and even Windows in a way, can be "not suited" for something. It's just that Windows is overall unstable, and upgrades are a ripoff. The reason for the huge market share is that

1. If you buy a new Mac, you are forced to buy high specs, so it is too expensive.
2. People don't know that you can just buy an old Mac for the price of a Dell or HP or Acer.
3. Apple sucked until the late 90s.
4. People don't want to switch back because it's hard for them to get used to the OS.
5. Apple computers look less professional because they are so sleek and easy to use.
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thenerdal said:
Windows has a lot of market share because of choice. People can choose different models with different prices and specs or build their own computer and install Windows.
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That's true, but I'm sure that less than 1% of Windows users build their own computer.

For specs, the Macs have every option except the "low, cheap" option, which is a problem. You can always get an old Mac if you want that.
 
Oletros said:
Windows 7, or Vista or OS X doesn't need DVD drivers, is part of the system. If there is a problem with the DVD it will be a hardware problem, not a corrupt driver problem.
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Every OS needs DVD drivers, even if they are built in to the system.
 
faroZ06 said:
I know what I'm doing, and it's unstable (and malware-prone). I frequently get random errors when I just try to move a file to the desktop. I always need a driver to connect to ethernet. IE kept opening randomly and telling me about the information bar, even when I pressed "do not show again". If I put a flash drive in, it always asks if I want to "scan and fix" it. When I press yes, it corrupts the drive half the time, the other half, it deletes files that it can't read.

If you don't know exactly what you're doing, it gets very very bad. Whoever set up the school computers failed... it gives me a warning every time I try to move a file because it may be "harmful". It takes 5 minutes to boot up. It's 3.4GHz quad-core, 4GB RAM, with Windows 7.
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You might have gotten a virus then or something. And even Macs can get malware. I'm pretty sure you had the computer for a long time.
 
Renzatic said:
They have the Mac Mini for that. $600 for a full Mac, just bring your own monitor, keyboard, and mouse.

A tad bit overpriced considering what you don't get, but it is the Cheap Mac Option.
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$600 isn't cheap compared to those $300-$400 Dells you can get.

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thenerdal said:
You might have gotten a virus then or something. And even Macs can get malware. I'm pretty sure you had the computer for a long time.
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It was actually brand new, out of the box. It was my dad's computer. The one at school was fairly new.

I know that Macs can get malware, but not viruses, and not as easily either. You can't say that Macs will get viruses if they become dominant because: Viruses aren't really made anymore, people go for spyware to make money. It is debated whether or not Macs could get viruses, and I'm pretty sure UNIX does a great job of preventing it. There are enough Mac-haters out there who build their own computers and use Linux for at least one of them to make a Mac virus, but they haven't.
 
faroZ06 said:
$600 isn't cheap compared to those $300-$400 Dells you can get.

I know that Macs can get malware, but not viruses, and not as easily either.
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Viruses aren't really an issue for windows any more.. the larger issue is general malware. You can get decent virus software for free fairly easy.
 
faroZ06 said:
I know what I'm doing, and it's unstable (and malware-prone). I frequently get random errors when I just try to move a file to the desktop. I always need a driver to connect to ethernet. IE kept opening randomly and telling me about the information bar, even when I pressed "do not show again". If I put a flash drive in, it always asks if I want to "scan and fix" it. When I press yes, it corrupts the drive half the time, the other half, it deletes files that it can't read.
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A brand new computer? Perhaps you don't know what you're doing.

faroZ06 said:
Every OS needs DVD drivers, even if they are built in to the system.
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Really?

faroZ06 said:
There are enough Mac-haters out there who build their own computers and use Linux for at least one of them to make a Mac virus, but they haven't.
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????
 
faroZ06 said:
I know what I'm doing, and it's unstable (and malware-prone). I frequently get random errors when I just try to move a file to the desktop. I always need a driver to connect to ethernet. IE kept opening randomly and telling me about the information bar, even when I pressed "do not show again". If I put a flash drive in, it always asks if I want to "scan and fix" it. When I press yes, it corrupts the drive half the time, the other half, it deletes files that it can't read.

If you don't know exactly what you're doing, it gets very very bad. Whoever set up the school computers failed... it gives me a warning every time I try to move a file because it may be "harmful". It takes 5 minutes to boot up. It's 3.4GHz quad-core, 4GB RAM, with Windows 7.
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What errors? I move files around enmasse all the time. From the Desktop, to my C drive, to my D drive, to my various thumb drives. The only time Windows will ever give you a hard time is when you try to move or edit anything in Program Files or the Windows folders. Then it's just an easily fixed elevation rights thing, since those are protected spaces.

The thumbdrive issue? If I were to take a guess (which this is a guess, since I haven't messed with thumbdrives in OSX much), I'd say they've been formatted in a Mac specific filesystem, which Windows obviously won't be able to read. If you pop it in, it'll see it as busted, and give you the option to scan and fix. Either that, or your thumbdrives are old as dirt, and in need of replacement.

I say this because I have about a dozen drives I swap in and out constantly. I've never had a problem out of any of them. Ever. Not even once.

Booting up? My SATA2 i7 goes from post to desktop in about 50 seconds. My old Opteron with its equally old IDE drive? About 70 or so. And these are on Windows 7 installs that were first slapped on when I got the W7 disc almost a couple of years ago.

So are you really sure you know what you're doing?

faroZ06 said:
$600 isn't cheap compared to those $300-$400 Dells you can get.
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Still cheap enough. A $200 difference isn't gonna make or break somebody.
 
faroZ06 said:
$600 isn't cheap compared to those $300-$400 Dells you can get.

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It was actually brand new, out of the box. It was my dad's computer. The one at school was fairly new.

I know that Macs can get malware, but not viruses, and not as easily either. You can't say that Macs will get viruses if they become dominant because: Viruses aren't really made anymore, people go for spyware to make money. It is debated whether or not Macs could get viruses, and I'm pretty sure UNIX does a great job of preventing it. There are enough Mac-haters out there who build their own computers and use Linux for at least one of them to make a Mac virus, but they haven't.
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Either you are lying, or you got a defective computer. And Macs do get viruses.
 
OS X is ultimately flawed when it comes to UI. The menubar takes up precious vertical space and rarely has a function (except for time and wifi and stuff). Combine that with the top bar of any app and you are wasting like 0.5 inch for nothing. If you are like me and using a MBP13, you're stuck with a low res screen and every inch counts. Now I also know that most users have the dock horizontally at the bottom. I can't even imagine how browsing for them must be.

There are tons of other flaws like ui buttons are too small. Finder isn't as intuitive and doesn't offer a consistent experience. Every time I open a new window the view changes. Most people just open up 2 windows when they want to copy a file to another folder. That is kind of stupid but in OS X its the easiest way. Or when I drag a file from one window to another it sometimes doesn't copy it in the folder that I wanted to but it goes into a subfolder.

Windows is a lot better when it comes to UI. You learn to adapt and work around those flaws. But no matter what it's still flawed.
 
Dock Hiding Symposium 2012 :rolleyes:

Count me in.

Anyways, I do not even build new systems with optical drives. I just share a USB 2.0 external reader between all of my computers. You do not even need to open the case if that thing dies on you.

How are we getting optical drives and drivers mixed up?
 
surjavarman said:
OS X is ultimately flawed when it comes to UI. The menubar takes up precious vertical space and rarely has a function (except for time and wifi and stuff).
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With OS X 10.7 and full screen apps the menu bar is hidden to allow you to utilize that extra… quarter inch? (if thats important to you)

The menu bar can be customized quite extensively (natively I might add) for status menus for iChat, display settings, time machine backups, I could list it all the options but it would take FOREVER.

Not to mention that there a numerous third party apps (Caffeine for example) that use the menu bar.

Learn the OS before you knock it.

Just sayin...

EE
 
faroZ06 said:
It's just that Windows is overall unstable
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Lol, okay..

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faroZ06 said:
I know what I'm doing
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faroZ06 said:
I frequently get random errors when I just try to move a file to the desktop. I always need a driver to connect to ethernet. IE kept opening randomly and telling me about the information bar, even when I pressed "do not show again". If I put a flash drive in, it always asks if I want to "scan and fix" it. When I press yes, it corrupts the drive half the time, the other half, it deletes files that it can't read.
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Followed by this.
You've either got a cheap computer with ****ty components and/or you've no idea what you're doing and you did something on the internet that gave you a virus. The latter points to someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

faroZ06 said:
Whoever set up the school computers failed...
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Ahh. School. Explains more than you think.

Windows 7 is incredibly stable. And if you're not a tool online, you're safe.
 
faroZ06 said:
I know what I'm doing, and it's unstable (and malware-prone). I frequently get random errors when I just try to move a file to the desktop. I always need a driver to connect to ethernet. IE kept opening randomly and telling me about the information bar, even when I pressed "do not show again". If I put a flash drive in, it always asks if I want to "scan and fix" it. When I press yes, it corrupts the drive half the time, the other half, it deletes files that it can't read.

If you don't know exactly what you're doing, it gets very very bad. Whoever set up the school computers failed... it gives me a warning every time I try to move a file because it may be "harmful". It takes 5 minutes to boot up. It's 3.4GHz quad-core, 4GB RAM, with Windows 7.
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I know what you're saying. As a Mac user I spent a day traveling with a group of PeeCee users and for a long while the convo was all about which guru they take their hone business computers to in order to get them working right.

I just sat there quietly and smiling as they each disclosed their favorite utility program to scan their computer to keep it up to par. The favorite one seemed to be "Crap Cleaner." I thought that an appropriate title, considering the OS under discussion.
 
faroZ06 said:
I know what I'm doing, and it's unstable (and malware-prone). I frequently get random errors when I just try to move a file to the desktop. I always need a driver to connect to ethernet. IE kept opening randomly and telling me about the information bar, even when I pressed "do not show again". If I put a flash drive in, it always asks if I want to "scan and fix" it. When I press yes, it corrupts the drive half the time, the other half, it deletes files that it can't read.

If you don't know exactly what you're doing, it gets very very bad. Whoever set up the school computers failed... it gives me a warning every time I try to move a file because it may be "harmful". It takes 5 minutes to boot up. It's 3.4GHz quad-core, 4GB RAM, with Windows 7.
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Try watching less PRON! Keeps your system clean :D

EDIT: 90% worldwide OS market share make's it the prefered target for malware etc. There are many pro's and con's to Windows open to all standard vs. Apple's approach. BTW: ever seen the line for support at an Apple store? I wonder why Apple Care is so popular...
 
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